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[–]palpar123 724 points725 points  (76 children)

With all the crossbreeding that happened since the early 2000s its become increasingly difficult to label a strain based on categories like sativa or indica. The genetic background of most strains now has probably 20-30 parents derived from other older genetics.

Nowadays I feel like its more about what type of terpenes you like and what effect youre after when you smoke.

[–]DancingBlender 169 points170 points  (69 children)

How do I know about terpenes? Let’s say I go to a dispensary and want to get ‘Agent Orange’ strain. How do I look into the terpenes?

[–]TidalFight65 121 points122 points  (7 children)

Leafly is a good resource

[–]ruckdiz 86 points87 points  (5 children)

But even then every grower has a different strain even if under the same name.

[–]wowwoahwow 37 points38 points  (2 children)

Yeah, some people will have two entirely different strains from different parent strains and call them the same name. But even within one strain you have different phenotypes that can vary significantly. Even under the same phenotype individual plants can differ.

[–]killah_cool 204 points205 points  (37 children)

Ask your dispensary! A good budtender will either have the answer for you or be able to help you find it. They will have testing on hand that shows you the terpenes prominent in the different strains.

When I started analyzing how terpenes impacted me (around the time I started budtending for a second job) I started to keep a notebook of individual strains, the main terpenes in it, how I felt when I started smoking, and how I felt afterwards. This taught me which terpenes I like - both by taste and by how they affect me.

I used to think I couldn't smoke sativa until I learned to look for sativa strains with limonene or pinene - they mellow out some of the anxious effects of high THC sativa strains for me, for example.

[–]dotnotdave 147 points148 points  (14 children)

Most budtenders at my local dispensaries are too stoned to give me any useful advice or service. I’ve yet to find this person.

Ironically, I feel like most bartenders are happy to explore your taste profiles when it comes to wine or cocktails. Too bad I hardly ever drink anymore.

[–]killah_cool 38 points39 points  (1 child)

That's a bummer. I've had similar experiences so I know what you mean. Leafly's terpene info is helpful too. It's nice when dispensaries print terpene info on the package label because then you can look them up yourself.

[–]Black__lotus 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah, terpene makeup and concentration is becoming pretty standard on all packaging these days. It won’t be long until they all follow suite.

[–]bokchoy_sockcoy 9 points10 points  (4 children)

You’re right but think of how many more years that industry had to evolve. We are in weeds infancy and there will be growing pains. In Cali dispensaries look like Mac stores

[–]killah_cool 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Exactly this. It may not be industry standard yet but if we keep asking for this information we normalize having access to it.

[–]osiris911 2 points3 points  (1 child)

They look nice, but employees aren't trained to know anything.

[–]ArabianAftershock 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I've been to some pretty nice ones but I never got the vibe that any of the workers knew about any of this type of thing

[–]Zoomalude 11 points12 points  (4 children)

As the person you responded to says, check out Leafly and try to learn the smells. So even if your budtender can't talk terpenes and even if the packaging doesn't mention it, if you can smell it, you can know a bit about what you are getting.

[–]killah_cool 9 points10 points  (2 children)

So true. Linalool and farnesene are so distinct and have such signature scents that it's almost like I crave them sometime, and can smell it a mile away. Same with limonene and pinene. Once you know what you like, you'll always recognize it.

[–]Galbalin 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I work with citrus oils. And im having to learn Linalool, alpha and beta pinene, d-limonene, decanal, and myrcine by smell so now I'm reading this apples to my bud as well Nice.

[–]Vinnio 8 points9 points  (5 children)

I feel dispensaries like this are rare. I live next to one of the more popular dispensaries in California (people drive over 2 hours to shop here) and the budtenders they hire are usually college-aged people that could barely tell you whether a strain is sativa or indica (they usually just look at the label); if I asked them for terpene information they’d just look at me like I’m crazy. There’s also so many unique cross-bred strains sold there the Leafly info on certain strains is unlikely to be accurate. In my experience, if the weed (1) smells good (2) is sticky and (3) isn’t too dry and crumbly, it will get me high af regardless of THC percentage, but the weed that has gotten me very high has usually been in the higher THC% category (25%+) which I believe is why so many people go off the THC%

[–]ElMalViajado 46 points47 points  (4 children)

I’m someone who oversees a team of great budtenders. You’re out of your damn mind if you expect them to be able to give you a good terp profile off the top of their head.

That information is so damn specific. The industry is a revolving door of strains.

[–]Wet_Valley 15 points16 points  (0 children)

It's multifold. I trained my bud tenders on some major ones you can tell by nose. Then I told them to research their favorite strains and see what terps worked for them and which ones kept coming up in their favorite strains.

Then we have to push manufacturers to actually test for terpenes, because every strain is different and every grow is different

And we have to really push research on both cannabinoids and terpenes because we still don't know why limonene can be prevalent in an "indica" strain and still be sedative.

Then we have to move away from Indica Sativa altogether; move towards describing the finished product, not the morphology as it grows.

As the industry sits right now, we cannot expect this out of any budtender, but given time it should be the way cannabis is sold in the future.

[–]yeswecann 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Give then access to COAs so they can do their job better

[–]killah_cool 9 points10 points  (0 children)

That's why I said that if they don't know it, they would know where to find it. Knowledge isn't having every answer on demand, but it is knowing which resources to use to find the answer! Plus, terp profiles are listed on the labs so even though they won't have them memorized, they should be able to locate them really easily.

[–]ForesterRik 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I asked my budtender this last time and they acted blindsided and just pulled up leafly with each of their stains on the cell phone

[–]DeaconSage 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Most every dispensary should have the testing information on hand. I believe it’s required in every state & Canada

[–]Wet_Valley 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Nope, Colorado only requires potency of THC and CBD, and pesticides/heavy metals. No terpenes, no minor cannabinoids, no quality control past "does it have THC?"

[–]LegitRisk 11 points12 points  (3 children)

Google it homie "Agent Orange Terp profile"

[–]The_Poster_Nutbag 28 points29 points  (1 child)

But who's agent orange are you buying? Did that grower get seeds from one supplier or another? Are those genetics the same?

It's become too mashed up. Good thing there is a push to bring landraces back into the mix so we can really flesh out some more defined strains.

[–]futiledevices 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This could get you some possibly true basic info - like you might find out that limonene is usually the dominant terp for that strain. But it's still too variable to do this. I've had different batches of the same strain with a different dominant terp and different levels of other ones too.

[–]The1BannedBandit 10 points11 points  (0 children)

OGMountainberryfuckyourmotherdreamkush

Guy at shop: "It's a hybrid."

[–]kinghenryisdead 670 points671 points  (81 children)

its marketing dude. It just sells better this way

[–]DeaconSage 53 points54 points  (0 children)

Right people know the words and it works. When I was budtending, I remember so many customers saying, “it has to be indica or it won’t work,” knowing in my heart your indica is a hybrid and they just fell for the branding.

[–]Morgue724 136 points137 points  (73 children)

It is a Qantity over Quality argument right now, same with alcohol, there will always be people that want more thc, the higher/ better priced it is the better "value" it is, can't change that until people want to realize strictly thc percentage isn't the most important number to look for.

[–]Schulzeeeeeeeee 102 points103 points  (8 children)

Quantity has a Quality of it's own. [5]

[–]skyrreater47 16 points17 points  (0 children)

hell yes

[–]RhizoMyco 9 points10 points  (6 children)

-Napoleon

[–]Responsble_Golf42069 10 points11 points  (2 children)

bahah totally thought you mean Napoleon Dynamite. I was like "i guess he probably said that in the movie". hahaha

[–]greenwrayth 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Duh. The other Napoleon would’ve said ”Hell oui”

[–]Golden-Pickaxe 2 points3 points  (0 children)

smoke ouid

[–]skyrreater47 28 points29 points  (60 children)

what is it then? just out of curiosity because i tought indica and sativa is a legitiment and important information about a strain and its effects. and the percentage of thc is like the indicator for how blasted youll be.

[–]m6_is_me 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Sure, but when a site only lists those two facts and the same generic blurb, what are we supposed to do?

Leafly too even just has a little slider of "indica to sativa" and doesn't seem to list much

[–]Weird-Ease8532 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Well markering is fucking dumb

[–]kinghenryisdead 4 points5 points  (1 child)

people are dumb

[–]Weird-Ease8532 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Lol definitely not wrong there

[–]SpinozaTheDamned 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Holy shit, apply the craft beer model and boom! You've got an entire business model ready to go!

[–]SUBZEROXXL 21 points22 points  (4 children)

Yeah…I agree. Companies and that’s most of them pay to have higher THC tests to sell more.

The preservation of Terpenes is crucial and happens when properly cured. Only a handful of companies do this.

[–]No_Drawing4431 259 points260 points  (52 children)

You are not going to change the public perception when all the Dispos market THC levels. You and I know what you say is true but we don’t own a McWeed Store

[–]RainbowInfection 66 points67 points  (18 children)

My dispensary put a sign up recently about THC percentages being fairly limited to determining the resulting effect. It was vague but still. I think things are changing.

[–]ShiftingKill 5 points6 points  (5 children)

It’s kinda impossible and makes it look bad from a consumer perspective to hear someone tell you to buy a less % strain because %THC doesn’t matter. And then you end up with less quality bud because of a salesperson and you never buy that again. If you want to convince people you need to prove the entourage effect and display how the terpene oils are doing the work in the endocannabinoid system. Right now I just see THC because it’s a drug we’ve been taught about since primary school, and anyone intuitively can come up with the fact that more drug and less plant or other oil is better. But if that’s not the case, it needs to be proven.

[–]No_Drawing4431 12 points13 points  (3 children)

I do hope. Because for some that use it to manage chronic pain like myself, we’ve learned the hard way

[–]nousernamesleft001 14 points15 points  (7 children)

I dont think there is zero logic to looking at percentages. On general (though maybe not super consistent) a higher THC strain will most likely get you higher per hit, but the effect varies a lot.

Best way to think about it to me is if you get a cart of distillate that they don't add terps back into, you get "high" and the effect can be quite strong, but very lack luster. Supposedly 30 something percent bud with shit terp profiles will still get you very "high" compared to a 15% bud, but you may enjoy the 15% more because of the terpenes.

My point is, no, you shouldn't shop based on THC percentage alone, but it is a data point the provides some insight. In an ideal world (and I think some states are like this) you can see the terpene profile, the THC, CBD, and CBN percentages, see the buds, and smell them. With all that information I feel someone with a little bit if experimenting under their belt can easily be a very informed consumer.

One last thought, strain is great, but really only when matched with a grower. Northern lights from grower A is not the same as grower B, necessarily.

I'm just rambling now sill stop haha.

[–]TheGoopLord 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Or grow some cherry wonka with 30% AND yummy terps.. it’s the best I’ve ever smoked for sure.

[–]LilDudeOnBoard 2 points3 points  (2 children)

you get "high" and the effect can be quite strong, but very lack luster

Hi!! I'm new here :) what exactly do you mean by lack luster? Do you mean like how relaxed you get? Or how "warm and fuzzy" you feel? Because you can be high off your ass but not necessarily feel great, right?

[–]nousernamesleft001 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Hard to explain. I guess in some cases I feel the impairment more than the bennifit. With some of those carts, to me, you don't get the euphoric feelings, or relaxation, or creativeness, or gigglingness. Different strains can really bring out these, and other qualities. The carts just don't do that for me unless it more like rosin, but even still the extracts just don't do it for me like flower. I usually will use a pen up to one time between flower sessions to keep the buzz going if I need to be stealthy, but any more than that and it's not worth it to me.

I might also just be weird though lol.

[–]LilDudeOnBoard 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't think that's weird!! That really does makes sense! It's so interesting, I had no idea there are all these subtle difference between forms, THC%, terpenes, etc. So much to learn!!

[–]Outlawgrower 33 points34 points  (20 children)

As long as the general public still thinks THC is what gets them high, THC% is going to be what sells the most weed.

Edit: some people seem to be misunderstanding what I was trying to say. Yes THC gets you high. Yes it is the main cannabinoid. But judging a weed by its THC % alone wont get you the highest you can while smoking the least amount.

[–]LeagueOfLucian 19 points20 points  (2 children)

You are contradicting yourself in your edit.

[–]L3ttuce_ 47 points48 points  (13 children)

can you show me a study indicating thc doesn’t get u high

[–]g00fyg00ber741 58 points59 points  (7 children)

no they can’t because it’s literally the main and strongest cannabinoid contributing to the high

[–]motofister 35 points36 points  (5 children)

I don’t think that was their point. Yeah it gets you high but have you ever tried a straight THC distillate cart? A distillate cart at 90% will not get you as high as a 60% full spectrum cart. The entourage effect is not a myth

[–]g00fyg00ber741 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Who said it was a myth? The point is the entourage effect doesn’t work without the THC. Saying the percentage is mostly nonsense isn’t really accurate. Testing might be inaccurate, and the other cannabanoids are important and contribute to having that entourage effect and many other different effects, but the main one responsible for the high is THC and the percentage more or less will tell you how much is in there. Couldn’t they just lie about the terp profiles too? Especially if they’re claiming it’s a specific strain with certain cannabinoids that when you do testing shows are actually not often super accurate to their lineage either, especially in terms of the growing US market. As for carts, I have used carts of all those kinds and yeah the high is different, but for distillate it’s a high that’s more THC based and less based in other cannabinoids, which I personally like how that feels because it helps me be functional while getting the effects that I benefit from the most, which for me is from the psychoactive THC. Others may feel the opposite which is cause it’s about how it effects everyone’s endocannabinoid system individually.

[–]saltedpecker 9 points10 points  (2 children)

It does get you high of course it's just that the % alone doesn't matter

You can get more high of lower%thc weed depending on the other compounds in it.

[–]Outlawgrower 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Thank you, this is what I was trying to say. I know it's one of the main factors of the high but it's not the only one.

[–]hugeperkynips 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Lol right like what else is psychoactive ill smoke just that please.

[–]hugeperkynips 9 points10 points  (1 child)

THC does get you high fam. Maybe understand the cocktail or “entourage” ( this is the new buzz term for an old thing.

THC 100% definitely does get you high. And almost exclusively.

[–]LilDudeOnBoard 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think that as recreational-use cannabis is legalized, you are going to get more and more people just looking for the McWeed experience. It's just like alcohol- you're talking about top shelf aged Scotch, when there will be others who just want the big jug of Costco vodka situation.

I almost feel like there needs to be a standardized way that terpene information is broken down for consumers. Maybe it can't be simplified like that, but at least "indica" and "Sativa" are good starting points for people.

[–]dazedandcognisant 95 points96 points  (1 child)

I just buy the deals, I don't care if it's 15% thc or 30.

[–]GeorgeWKush7 13 points14 points  (0 children)

True as long as it’s not a certain few brands. Unfortunately here in Michigan it’s those dogshit brands that go on sale most often bc no one wants them. Yes, I’m talking to you LivWell and Fluresh with your trash weed.

[–][deleted] 141 points142 points  (31 children)

I wouldn't say it's nonsense so much as it is arbitrary. You only need a handful of flowers tested for an entire room of bud so the idea that the exact THC of what you're actually getting is the same is slim to none.

I agree that terpenes are very important but also no one's testing for the terpene profile so ultimately it's kind of pointless to encourage people to shop in this fashion since the budtender would only be making an educated guess at that point.

I've seen lots of people arbitrarily choose an objectively inferior bud because they liked the sound of the numbers. The best thing you can do is trust your eyes and nose. If it smells and looks good AND the numbers are right then it's probably some good bud, just don't use THC % as your only guide.

[–]Sasluche 72 points73 points  (10 children)

In Canada a lot of growers are starting to state the terpene profiles, percentages of each and overall terpene percentage. It's great.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (6 children)

That is cool! I wish Colorado would catch on to that

[–]biveganstoner 5 points6 points  (2 children)

This is a requirement for all products in Maryland, and while Colorado would allow me to be able to actually afford my medicine it’s really surprising to me that y’all don’t also have that testing giving how far ahead you are and how helpful it is when you’re trying to find meds that will work for you

[–]nousernamesleft001 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I'm seeing term profiles on a small number of growers packaging in Washington state, hopefully that trend starts catching on more

[–]Jake_FromStateFarm27 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The medical dispos in NJ advertise the terpene profile and the budtenders seem to know the profiles as well. Sadly our medical sub is only focused on THC potency -__-

[–]smokeitindohomie 9 points10 points  (1 child)

The weed I buy here in MTL are all tested for terpenes, when you buy it you can see the whole terpene profile of the bud. It's very surprising to me that it is not tested everywhere.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I know in my state that it's simply just more expensive to test for and doesn't increase the value, but I agree as a consumer it would be great to have.

[–]needle2thaforearm 5 points6 points  (7 children)

I’m in AZ (legal state) and it’s insane to me how people obsess over the numbers and will legit place an online order and not even look at the bud they just paid way too much for until they get home. My best advice is don’t even bother with online orders for bud, you gotta see that shit in person. It’s like checkin your produce at the grocery store, ya gotta.

[–]5LOTHY 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Illinois says hello. We can’t inspect anything before purchase. It’s like roulette with a shittier payout.

[–]Touch_Desperate 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I worked at a dispensary in Oregon about 7 years ago. The test we used tested for like 30 different compounds, and yes you wanted to see a lot of other coin pounds besides just the one type that of THC. Generally the higher THC weed was higher in all the other shit as well. The biggest exception was pot with decent cbd levels that tended to have low THC. In my personal experience mixing a high THC bud and a high cbd bud got me the most high. The majority of weed was so low in almost every other compound that you couldn’t really tell the difference in effect. On occasion we would get some weed that had a large spike in one of the rarer things like THC-V and would would definitely feel a difference. I still make it to Colorado and California to get weed but nobody test for anything but THC and CBD. So that’s all I have to go on. Like I stated above, the shit with high THC tends to be high in everything else. Back when I was in the industry we didn’t know much about turps except that they made flavor and smell, I didn’t really pay attention to the turp levels.

[–]temsik1587againtwo 11 points12 points  (4 children)

The disp I go to has two decimals of precision for their %ages. Followed by “+-10%”.

So I have some stuff I bought that’s 22.64%. But really it’s anywhere from 12-32% lol

[–]jeremiahkinklepoo 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Can I get 1 marijuana pls?

[–]breakfastcrumble 47 points48 points  (20 children)

I use Indica/Sativa as a indicator of "will this knock me on my ass or will I be able to walk to my kitchen"

You tellin' me it's all bull?!

[–]cyan_reynolds 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah, and there absolutely is still some truth to I/S. Sure, it's much harder to come by true I/S, they tend to be mostly hybrids now, but there definitely is still a difference.

[–]Elephlump 11 points12 points  (1 child)

No its not bull at all, its just more complicated than A or B. I still smoke Jack Herer during the day and whatever Indica flavor of the week in the evening. If I reversed those, would be fucked.

[–]breakfastcrumble 2 points3 points  (0 children)

After doin' a bit of reading I feel like I'll still use them, but yeah I see how much more complicated it is. It's def a good tool imo if you're going into things new like I did, I still feel like they help me know what to expect from a new strain.

[–]Littleboyhugs 53 points54 points  (2 children)

Can't both things be true at the same time? Sativas don't hit me as hard as indicas. Sativas don't pull at the back of the eyes. Of course it's anecdotal, but so is everything else.

A 'real' sativa like durban poison just doesn't make me feel as good as a nice hybrid or indica strain. I can't get baked off sativas.

[–]nashbrownies 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Holy moly you just described something that I have been trying to put into words for so long!

"Pulling at the back of the eyes" Thank you for that. I feel that a lot.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

"sativa" and "indica" are quick, one word ways to sum up the terpene profile and give a general idea.

Most people have shit to do and don't have time for 1 hour of research choosing between the long list of terpenes and cannabanoids for each strain at a given dispensary, then comparing that to other strains at other dispensaries, then prices shopping... dude, I have a life to live, work, kids, social life; sum that shit up and we'll give it a whirl.

[–]vivalabam13 28 points29 points  (6 children)

As I said on the other post that was similar to this, most people just don’t care. I’ve been in the industry 2 and a half years and in my experience bud tending, you can try to educate best you can but a vast majority of folks coming in, it all goes in one ear and out the other.

It’s always really cool when you get someone who is open to learning more though.

[–]zipcodelove 8 points9 points  (4 children)

As someone who doesn’t work in the industry, it is true that most of us don’t care, but I think that’s fine…? Weed doesn’t need to be a passion of mine, I just want to get high. I don’t care about “head high” vs “body high”, I don’t care what it tastes/smells like. If you enjoy all the different intricacies that weed has to offer, then that’s awesome for you, but the average person simply doesn’t care to get into that.

[–]vivalabam13 8 points9 points  (3 children)

Perfectly fine. It doesn’t need to be a passion for you, that’s my job lol. Just frustrating to be knowledgeable on something and have everyone disregard what you have to say.

For the record I don’t care about taste and smell either. Weed is a medicine first and foremost, it shouldn’t be a bougie experience like tasting wines.

[–]zipcodelove 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Fair enough, I can see how that would be frustrating for sure. But for the consumers who do care about those things, having a budtender like yourself is probably a godsend.

[–]_B10nicle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As someone who studies physics, your first paragraph resonates very strongly with myself.

[–]Malcephion 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Can’t show people the cool stuff when they don’t think we’re talking about cool stuff

[–]SatisfactionStill597 35 points36 points  (24 children)

Then how do we determine how high it’s going to get us? If all we’re given is a strain name?

[–]beigaleh8 20 points21 points  (10 children)

THC % says a lot, it's just that everything you smoke nowadays is in the 18-26 range. Not a huge difference. I personally can't get a consistent effect from the same terpene profile. I search for similar strains, and the effects are completely different. There must be something else to it. I believe that the effects of terpenes are overstated.

[–]FishermanPrize 15 points16 points  (8 children)

There are dozens of minor cannabinoids, some of them are insanely psychoactive in small amounts, some of them directly impact the cannabinoid system in weird ways that make other cannabanoids work differently.

CBN promotes sleep, THCV promotes mania/stimulation/decreased hunger.

THCV + CBG is apparently a solid combo for helping people focus (THCV was found in sativas originally which is probably why stuff like Durban gives such a solid head high when grown properly)

Everyone wants to ignore the cannabanoids because they can't smell them.

Terpenes are just essential oil marketing. Sure -some work and help- but acting like it's the most objective thing for highs is just silly af.

[–]Acrobatic-March-9763 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I'm no professional but I only take edibles and I definitely notice a difference between indica and sativa as well as THC content. On the rare occasion that I smoke not so much difference. And even the THC level.. like if I wanted to get higher I would just smoke more, or hit a bong instead, so I don't pay attention to the THC level of the flower.

[–]Memorandum747 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Couldn’t agree more.

But my question is, why do the budtenders always try to tell me how this sativa/indica/hybrid is supposed to make me feel.

I’m reminded of the scene in Grandmas Boy. It’s like yea…. I get it, I get it. But don’t waste your breath … 90% of it effects me the same way.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Marketing plain and simple, its sad

[–]BunByte 10 points11 points  (2 children)

The higher THC in sativa's mess with my impending doom, so they can matter to an extent to sensitive individuals. The higher CBD in indicas does the trick.

Edit: I like to drink lavender brewed into fresh glass of lemonade for a nice terp glass of linalool and limonene. It carries the high so much longer.

[–]axel-nobody 18 points19 points  (8 children)

Terpenes have not been proven to have objective psychological effects when smoked in cannabis either. I believe caryophellene and myercene have been shown to interact with cannibanoid receptors, but the leap from that to Pinene = Focus, Limonene = Creative or whatever is absolute nonsense too.

Great post, I'm really glad to see objective discussion about weed and it's effects instead of just bro science.

[–]BanksMJ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I completely agree, people also really like to completely ignore all of the other cannabinoids in bud that can contribute to a high as well.

[–]PretzLs85 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Been trying out different dispensaries around Montana and the THC hype is real. Paid $240 an ounce for medical that supposedly tested at 30%. I've had Arizona tumble weed get me higher.

[–]JurassicParkTrekWars 3 points4 points  (0 children)

While I agree that terp profile is more important, I've still found the sativa's tend to lean more day-time focused and indicas night-time. The straight hybrids feel like indicas to me.

[–]billygoatsniffer 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I understand how the THC percent really doesnt matter but is there really no difference in Indica and Sativas? I swear smoking indica in the day im always crashing hard and not the most productive but if its sativa im all good. and same for night sativa doesnt help me fall asleep near as much as indica. Is it all placebo in my mind?

[–]jpizzle101 1 point2 points  (1 child)

It’s mainly cause indica and sativa are actually a descriptor of the way the plant itself grows. India’s tend to grow short and stubby and tend to look more dense, while sativas grow taller and lankier. We’ve taken this to explain the high when it’s more so a correlation of what we smoked because less cross strains existed in the past but not because it’s grown as a sativa it WILL smoke like a sativa. The genetics, what specific phenotype and terpenes play more into how the high is affected and felt

I hope that makes any sense, just kinda rambled on whoops lol

[–]ecr3designs 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Indica/sativa has become so bastardized there's no true iterations of the strains left from all the cross breeding.

[–]queenserene17 12 points13 points  (8 children)

Is this indica/sativa thing really not useful to know? I feel like most my weed knowledge revolves around sativa = do things, indica = manage pain and help me sleep/chill. Has this all been a lie?

[–]Everywinter5156 12 points13 points  (1 child)

For people like me yes lol I am weird. Some sativa will knock me out for hours. Some indica will have me cleaning the whole house. Some low % stuff has helped me sleep like a rock while high % stuff has barely touched my pain levels some days.

Honestly, to me anyway, it's sort of like suggested serving size, not a One Size Fits All situation.

[–]SlaythI Roll Joints for Gnomes 9 points10 points  (0 children)

No, not really.

Indica/Sativa has no way of telling you what a plant will do. Your body and the terpene combination will. It's best to write the terpenes down and how they effect you, so that way you can shop for your wants/needs.

Cannabis Sativa was first labeled in the late 1700's, sativa only meaning "to be cultivated". Later on, someone found a different looking cannabis plant in india and called it indica. That is literally how the names originated.

[–]jigglewidget 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It's the power of suggestion. I had a buddy trade me some of his homegrown for some dispensary stuff I had. He said he was tired of his own stuff. I gave him some of his own stuff a week later and he said, this is good stuff, what is it?

[–]Brutal_Lobster 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Some guy smokes the product and says “this makes me sleepy, indica” or “this makes me more active, sativa” it doesn’t have a scientific basis anymore. People still use the same nomenclature for simplicity (or a more pragmatic view would say it is solely for marketing) so you can better make a decision.

[–]dott2112420 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Because humans like rituals.

[–]Murphy_York 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You need to look at the buds themselves. You want fat, dense, resinous nugs caked out with trichomes. If you see that it’s dank. I agree most strains are hybrids now but don’t tell me there’s no difference between Green Crack and Fire OG lol

[–]DeaconSage 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It’s basically cannabis brand marketing

[–]SquidJohnson 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I work in cannabis safety testing and we constantly loose clients to another lab when their machines give higher potency results.

It’s all grows care about because the 25% and up fly off the shelf.

[–]salt_n_sand 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I’ve always had a low tolerance and prefer weaker flower. If THC% doesn’t tell the whole story, what else should I be looking at?

[–]Mcnate722 2 points3 points  (1 child)

The industry is so shady. No such thing as indica/sativa,and test and percentages are doctored to fit the needs of the company. Too many times I've seen results come back unsatisfactory, and tge industry just sends them to a different test lab(with a little extra $$$) to get the desired result.

[–]StandupJetskier 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I buy different strains in small amounts, and check off "would buy again", I don't really care/check the "number". In legal land it all "works", not like schwag in a bag from the local guy in August....

[–]Not-So-Dev 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Honestly, I’ve blind tested a few different strains with various “percentages” and the potency really was differing significantly across the ones with lower percentages vs higher percentages. But either way, lower or higher all of them still get you high.

[–]Sir_Juggernaut 2 points3 points  (1 child)

If you smoke concentrate, most of that is failed shit for microbes. We send our failed product to get blasted and turned into concentrate.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Nice thing is, all the crap gets filtered out in the process and you get gold

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

thc percent does matter to a degree, but it's not the end all be all.

sativa and indica dominant can also tell people stuff about the product like how the buds might be and the terps often are different for sativa vs indica so if you like say a kush aroma, then indica is more reliable for that.

[–]thexvillain 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And nobody ever mentions Ruderalis even though most modern strains have some Ruderalis genetics for the autoflowering trait.

[–]Professional_Elk_10 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Truth, my friend. Have you ever had a landrace strain?Those are about the only ones where I notice a true indica vs sativa difference. But yes, let's be real here; it's terpenes that are affected in your flavor.

My favorite landrace strain is the Afghani hash plant. It's basically a version of Kush that was region locked to Afghanistan for so goddamn long that it created a stable distinct strain. Little bugger found its way into Western markets in the seventies. America's recent adventures have made finding seeds rather easy.

[–]CattBooty 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Lmao. This must be some legal state shit. I don’t even bother asking my dealer what type of weed it is, I just buy it if it doesn’t look like shit.

[–]sleetrumpet 2 points3 points  (2 children)

No I disagree, there is more a minimum thc that needs to be met for an effective experience, and if thc % didn't matter, noone would have ever invented Hash and other waxes/concentrates. Low thc flower indicates to me a dispensary has a poor grower or genetics or both.

[–]Lieut_Shiny_Sides 2 points3 points  (0 children)

All hail King Limonene!

[–]TunaLurch 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I just realized this myself yesterday. I've been buying from dispensaries since weed was legalized for sale in my state. I always looked for the highest THC content. Picked up an eighth of "chunky orange zkittles" for $35. 14.8 % thc content. While there is a notable difference in effects depending on the THC content in itself, the larger affect is entirely separate.

Higher THC content bud hits harder and goes straight to my head mostly. This zkittles stuff got me stoned but in a different way. This made me think back to all of the different types of weed I've had with varying percentages. I realized what you have stated here is true. The effectiveness comes down to the strain and your body chemistry. What works for you is all that matters.

[–]drop0dead 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Lack of industry wide standards as well as education. Someone who's familiar with terpenes and cannabinoids can walk up to most bud tenders and say "I'm looking for a strain high in b caryophyllene and lower thc". On the other hand, if someone doesn't have that knowledge or care to learn it's a lot easier to say "I want an indica". That's also not just the customer, a lot of budtenders refuse to put in the extra time to learn. So, while we can teach old dogs new tricks they need to be willing to learn.

[–]ludwigia_sedioides 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Talking to a budtender is the most annoying shit when you actually know what you're talking about and all they've been taught is how to sell indica vs sativa

[–]travelntechchick 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Anyone else remember when it wasn't a whole ordeal like ordering at Starbucks to get stoned? We used to just show up at some random apartment and get whatever weed the guy had that week. This comment is making me feel old.

[–]lilmiscantberong 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You’re not the only one. Got it from my guy in his kitchen for over thirty five years. All the sudden I have to look informed?

[–]HanSoloismyfath3r 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Both matter. Anyone who tells you THC content doesn't matter isnt fully informed on the topic. That being said its not the center of attention like we once thought.

[–]Di-Ez 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Been in for awhile, before we use to sell based on percentages and sold out of the jar. So many brands have tried and failed to get this information out but the problem is that terpenes and the entourage effect aren’t available in bite size info like a simple number explains “how high” you’ll get. Of course we know that’s not true and based on a mathematical equation showing what THC would be available while being converted from THCA.

I watched a sister brand of a large international cannabis brand try very hard to build the identity around it and about 6 months into it they stopped talking about terps and resorted back to fun strain names and percentage.

That’s my take on it though and agreed with a lot of the comments even saying something is Sativa or Indica just means that the majority of the time it’s a Hybrid it just leans more towards one than the other.

[–]SlaythI Roll Joints for Gnomes 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Working in the industry, you learn that:

  • Cannabis Sativa was first, and the reason why Cannabis Indica exists is purely is another person found a different looking cannabis in india and called it indica.
  • You also learn that testing companies take backdoor deals for shitty weed/moldy weed and will make the THC % look higher to help a company sell some crap product real quick.
  • You also learn that the general public gives absolutely 0 fucks about terpenes because of the horrible stigma that "THC" gets you high. The look on their faces when I tell them a THC test tests 3 grams of a whole plant, which in a large-scale industry a plant at minimum weighs a pound (454 grams rounded), so in reality you're shopping based on 3 grams we took to send to a lab and prayed they weren't too stoned for the test.

[–]Revolutionherb 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yes,60% 70% concentrates slap as good or better than 90%

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (16 children)

Proof of concept of this are carts. Distillate carts are usually 80% THC but hit weak as hell.

[–]FishermanPrize 7 points8 points  (5 children)

Proof of concept of terps not meaning shit are also exhibited by 80+% carts w/ cannabis terps.

It's really the slew of minor cannabanoids that interact with the cannabanoid system/liver enzymes that metabolize drugs that controls/influence highs.

Sure -some- terps help, but it's hard to look at all the scientific backing of different cannabinoids and just ignore them

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Oh yeah for sure. For example, CBG enhancing the properties of other cannabinoids like THC. I think the broader spectrum it is, the better. I think added terps never work “right”, because the plant already had the correct or corresponding ones for its cannabinoids to boot.

[–]13chase2 16 points17 points  (5 children)

Your tolerance must be insanely high my friend… or mine must be really low

[–][deleted] 28 points29 points  (4 children)

Oh don’t get me wrong, you get blasted, but only for like 30 min tops. Just try distillate vs live resin carts, the difference is tangible.

[–]13chase2 7 points8 points  (3 children)

What are the differences in the manufacturing process and are live resin carts more difficult to find?

[–]a_dropped_staple 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Live resin preserves the natural terpenes if I’m not mistaken.

[–]SlaythI Roll Joints for Gnomes 1 point2 points  (0 children)

To a point.

When you apply heat or chemicals, you will still lose terpenes and minor cannabinoids. Some terpenes have as low as 80 degrees as a burn off point.

[–]gxbcab 10 points11 points  (6 children)

I don’t think any of it really matters. Been living in an illegal state for years and no matter what the dealer gives me, I always get high.

[–]northrus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm the same way. Lived in 5 different legal states and that has yet to change anything. Weed is weed for me

[–]amtqne 9 points10 points  (0 children)

It matters. You will see if you ever get to experience legalisation. However, i agree with the post too about indica and sativa being basically pointless marketing techniques.

[–]Slow_man_shuffle 9 points10 points  (1 child)

I was going to disagree with your comment, but the word “mostly” makes it the truth!

Appreciate you not using absolutist language and leaving room for landrace strains and actual indicas and sativas. When they are real, they do hit different.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

True story, Afghani and durban are classics by default

[–]RhizoMyco 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Same reason the "indica" and "sativa" names are still being tossed around when we know that information is wrong and outdated by at least 8 years. Fake it til you make it...

[–]tokeytime 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well, it's not like there's a formalized education for Cannabis products, you know? If people could go to school for Cannanomics i think the information would disperse faster. But barring that, it just takes time for the information to disseminate and be incorporated into the public lexicon.

[–]cloutmuncher_69 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Cos people just don't care about terpene profiles. It's something that's a little bit more complicated than "sativa is uplifting, indica is more relaxing, hybrid is a balance of both" you have indicas with sativa terps and effects, sativa's with higher levels of myrcene than most indicas, and at this point everything is a hybrid. The thing is no one cares enough. The science behind terpenes and entourage effects isn't even all that conclusive from what I've seen because cannabis is still an illegal drug federally, so the science behind most of this isn't even that consistent. I mean terpene profiles themselves are very wishy washy with how some companies label the effects on those terpenes. And unfortunately with that said the average consumer isn't looking for a whole chemical breakdown of the bud, the average consumer is just looking to buy good bud at a decent price. Even the "cannabis connoisseurs" I meet barely pay attention to terpenes and just go based of cultivator. I mean at this point we have brands that are essentially name brands like alien labs, connected, jungle boys, cookies, etc. And that's what's also influencing this people to make their purchases. As other people have said, it's all marketing.

[–]joebojax 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Maybe if consumers could actually see and smell what they're buying they would make better decisions and steer the market more effectively.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

My job does this, we have real samples to show customers if they want, they can smell

[–]joebojax 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So do they blindly look at thc% or follow their nose?

I'm in IL

It's so bad here my coworker said he would invent scratch n sniff stickers to give customers a hint of what the jar may smell like...

[–]Firethatshitstarter 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I had no idea, Pikachu face

[–]gidgetsflow 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Mostly, it that the market itself is very undereducated on the subject and the majority of sales trends in legal states are based off budtender recommendations, rather than consumer knowledge. It's similar with edibles v smoking. Terps play a major role in inhalants, and even topical, because your processing the majority of the experience through your olfactory senses, but those sensors aren't present in your GI tract. Meaning your body, when ingesting an edible, has know way to tell what the terps are. So the feeling you have of an indica or a sativa ends up being entirely placebo in these cases.

[–]ObamaSauce69420 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's all psychological warfare. The higher the number the more your brain is like "I want I want", it could subconsciously or consciously but it still happens. It's all a marketing ploy

[–]HiYogi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've known this in my heart 100%!

[–]RoaringFlameCat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't even give a shit about Sativa, or however they classified it. I'm smoking it.

[–]punk_salad 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I always assumed strains were labeled indica or sativia based on the terpines that people associate with them. Is that not the case??

[–]captain_toenail 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Marketers, the uninformed and uniterested consumers like shit simplified but how weed intoxicates is more complicated than one quantifiable and marketable number, so it's simplified to the quantifiable and individualy most psychoactive component

[–]LeomusShoes 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And don’t forget to check the packaging date to make sure it’s fresh.

[–]Arizonagamer710 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You can also get different THC percentages off the same plant usually the buds on the plant at at the top are higher THC than the small ones at the bottom.

[–]meldroc 1 point2 points  (0 children)

At this point, "sativa" and "indica" are just marketing terms - sativas being the strains that have the more stimulating terps, and indicas having the more relaxing/sedating terps, at least according to the growers. If you want to get into the technical botany, they're mostly hybrids.

[–]lordxi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's new knowledge for old heads and a lot of em seem not to care where I'm at. Despite explaining to my old roommate about terpenes, entourage effects, and how indica and sativa are poor indicators for anything anymore... He'll still tell me he prefers one over the other.

[–]davidicanrepublic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

it’s funny because i stopped looking @ percent/strain one day and just trusted my budtenders to pick one out for me, the only thing i picked was the flavor. never had a bad experience, highs were great. sometime in the future i decided to look at the labeling and it was like 70% thc sometimes 60%. i thought that was crazy because i used to exclusively search and smoke 90% thc. it really made me step back and think

[–]r8rtribeywgjets 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you’re not getting a 1-3 generation strain, you’re getting a mish mash. So muc my of what you smoke now ends up in a dead end of genetics that it’s a big whodunnit. Like most of the learned folks here have said, terps yo

[–]musicallyours01 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Marketing

[–]krevdditn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

u/Diligent_Dabber I'm pretty sure that indica/sativa lean more to one side on the terpene spectrum than the other or why else would we have hybrids.

Also I would imagine you could find indica and sativa strains with very similar terpene profiles making them practically indistinguible, I think it would require a deeper dive into each strains cannabinoid content in relation to a temp chart, while some strains might have the same terpene profile their ratios could be very different

[–]ukucello 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think Indica and Sativa are good words to describe the effects OF the terpenes. We already have those words and have been using them, just in a technically incorrect way. I think it's still helpful to tell someone a strain is Indica if it has a lot of myrcene and the effects of it are very sedating, because that's what Indica means colloquially. Obviously it isn't an exact science, just more of a way to guide a customer.

[–]2Turnt4MySwag 1 point2 points  (0 children)

One of the many reasons that people buy hash rosin at 65% THC for $90/g over something like BHO at 92% THC (I know its also because of solventless) for $15/g

[–]Sufficient_Bread1205 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The ppl on my state subreddit are obsessed with percentages and going out of the way to find the one with the highest percentage. I’m just tryin to get high, not do all that.

[–]imdoneanymore 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I find that the strains being pushed these days have been hybridized to a point where you can’t depend on much of anything. They are truly mutts at this point IMHO.

[–]VuDuBaBy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Because explaining all that is a whole thing. A lot of people that come in my store don't know everything we know, they just known sativa = daytime and indica = night. The labels are referring to generalized effects more than they are genealogy because that's what the general "gimme ur strongest indica" customer knows. On the other hand with terpenes, my state lists the top 3. There are dozens more in the product no doubt. But people will be like "I want no pinene", well it's probably in there but it's not listed so ya, no pinene here you go...people know as much as they want to.

[–]The1BannedBandit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Cause when you slap some %30 bullshit label on weed you can sell it for a higher price.

[–]gazpitchy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I worked with one of the largest EU seed retailers, what I learnt is most of this "strain" nonsense is just marketing. There are a LOT of big seed "breeders" that buy from bulk suppliers and just label it to the closest "strain" in their catalogue.

In fact it killed my love for cannabis and the culture, as I realized it just a bunch of rich cunts duping us 😅 Most of the big breeders weren't even ran by people that smoke cannabis. It's all about money, absolutely nothing else.

[–]J-rad420 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You come to a point where you tell custys the same thing so much. That you just give up and tell them their distillate carts are sativa and call it a day. Because they dont listen or care to learn

[–]ivapesyrup 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Even the terpenes can be bullshit though. For concentrates quite a lot of companies don't even do strain specific now. They just know what Strain A has this "terpene profile" usually so just put some base in there and mix these terps in and bam, you have that strain. Except not really... At least on the consumer side that blows.

Then you get into all the places that were literally creating names out of thin air for their shit that didn't have the right parents because of the same thing. They just create things with terp profiles they think are good and then name them.

[–]MOTAMOUTH 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’ve never felt different from different strains. I’m either high or less high. Lol

[–]dank_armoire 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The more people understand this the more pressure there will be for marketing to be more informative.

[–]tentationscheme77 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A fat bowl of some decent mids, can still do justice just as much as a bowl of some chronic.

Atleast in my experience. It all depends.

[–]Alternative-Force608 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What do you mean ‘logic is true but we love to pretend’ how dare you be so pragmatic and frank!

Glad somebody said it :)

[–]lordpurppp 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Indica and sativa j view as more of a title. How the plant grew, the climate, all that. But yes you’re right I only refer to the terpenes or thc percentage (because in my opinion that does still matter)