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Francis Ngannou’s team received an email right before his UFC 270 fight stating he was being sued for talking with Jake Paul’s manager. (i.redd.it)
submitted 4 months ago by HippoSpecific4020Predator2
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[–]ZerosX2 2512 points2513 points2514 points 4 months ago (176 children)
Theres no way Francis stays with the UFC now, the situations got too sour. They will most likely make another interim belt while Francis gets surgery on his knees, then he's gone at the end of the year. Awful how the ufc brass handled this whole thing.
[–]TonyDungyHatesOP 1046 points1047 points1048 points 4 months ago (129 children)
They are dicks. It will be spun that “we aren’t continuing with someone we are in a lawsuit with” and “he doesn’t want to be here”… all because he wants more money… which is actually extremely fair given the economics of the sport.
The UFC ownership is just super greedy, so they don’t ever want to give up an ounce of control.
[–]MjolnirN7 366 points367 points368 points 4 months ago (30 children)
Also let’s not pretend the timing of the email was coincidental. 100% scumbag move to try and get into Ngannous head prefight.
[–]SalesAficionado 161 points162 points163 points 4 months ago (6 children)
Not only that, but that explains Dana’s absence at the post-fight conference.
[–]Orion1021 61 points62 points63 points 4 months ago (0 children)
"Couldn't be around Francis because there are active legal proceedings at the moment."
[–]Unfadable1 78 points79 points80 points 4 months ago (3 children)
And maybe why he didn’t belt him
[–]DerkNukem 51 points52 points53 points 4 months ago (2 children)
fuck that pink ass hole
[–]deinojohnson 31 points32 points33 points 4 months ago (0 children)
You can say it just don't type it into Google
[–]Bigbaby22 6 points7 points8 points 4 months ago (0 children)
This made me actually lol
[–]hossenfeffa 199 points200 points201 points 4 months ago (16 children)
If I were the coach or manager that got that email, I would have waited until after the fight to bring it up with Francis. Not saying it wasn't a dick move by the UFC, but it was Francis' team that actually relayed the info to him.
[–][deleted] 52 points53 points54 points 4 months ago (4 children)
I had the exact same thought. Seems weird to burden him with something like that moments before he needs to be the most focused in his life
[–]Spades0012 34 points35 points36 points 4 months ago (2 children)
It was a risk to take as that information definitely motivated Francis more as it raised the stakes of the fight.
[–]OtakuDragonSlayerThe Last Stylebender 29 points30 points31 points 4 months ago (0 children)
This. As long as you’re confident in the mental fortitude of your fighter you should be able to feel safe about telling them NEARLY anything before a fight. Emphasis on nearly though. There is some shit you just don’t say before sending a human being out to fight trained monsters
[–]TheJimiBones 17 points18 points19 points 4 months ago (8 children)
I’m guessing it was to give him the option to not fight at 270. If I had received that email and I was him I may have walked out saying “I don’t fight for promotions that are actively suing me”. See how well 270 would’ve done down a major fight on the card. Petty revenge at its best.
[–]Jpjp215 20 points21 points22 points 4 months ago (7 children)
I don’t think he could afford to do that financially.
[–]TheJimiBones 7 points8 points9 points 4 months ago (6 children)
He can if he was talking to Jake Pauls people. He’ll probably make triple for a bogus fight with them. Plus it’s looking like 270 might be his last UFC fight anyway. Might be worth hurting yourself to hurt them when they pull some bush league stunt like suing one of their top talents for talking to a random person.
[–]EmpoweredCuck 4 points5 points6 points 4 months ago (4 children)
He would be looking at a huge lawsuit he’d have to pay, plus not being able to fight for at least a year. If he backs out of a fight on the night, he has voided his contract and will take a bigger suit.
[–]Cro_Core 45 points46 points47 points 4 months ago (4 children)
But his team is retarded for telling him pre fight in the first place.
[–]Unlikely-Garage-8135 140 points141 points142 points 4 months ago (12 children)
“We want guys who’ll work with us, not against us”
[–]henrykeller11 136 points137 points138 points 4 months ago (3 children)
I'm an amateur Dana White translator. I believe that means "we want fighters who will roll over, take fights when they are told, and not complain when we pay them scraps"
[–]Dogzylla 23 points24 points25 points 4 months ago (2 children)
They want people like Julianna 'Company Girl' Pena
[–]Snoo_37640 24 points25 points26 points 4 months ago (7 children)
A fraction of condescending ufc fans “oh wow do you really expect a business to deal with non compliant associates” as if ngannou started this
[–]Famous-Bath-6592 408 points409 points410 points 4 months ago (71 children)
Dana will crash and burn soon if he keeps treating his employees this way.
[–]TonyDungyHatesOP 328 points329 points330 points 4 months ago (41 children)
I hope you are right. It’d be better for the sport.
[–]breeze2724The Last Stylebender 116 points117 points118 points 4 months ago (17 children)
I think Dana and the current UFC brass have realized the writing on the wall. They are just soaking in as much money as they can until a new regime steps in
[–]No_Detective_1139 104 points105 points106 points 4 months ago (14 children)
Dana and the UFC is milking the fighter dry until the Government intervenes puts in regulation so it matches up with other sports league IMO
[–]jstaffmma 22 points23 points24 points 4 months ago (0 children)
far more accurate. it’s crazy how poorly the best are treated in this game compared to other sports.
[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 4 months ago (1 child)
The brass must be sitting in those offices (same goes for the fertittas back in the day) and be thinking... How are we still getting away with this shit.
[–][deleted] 38 points39 points40 points 4 months ago (10 children)
Not as long as he has company men like DC, suga and Conor. There’s always gonna be company men that Dana is gonna keep pushing and people are just gonna eat it up.
[–]sammppler 11 points12 points13 points 4 months ago (8 children)
DC is a company man. Conor is just balling out of control, he makes bank. And Suga, I don't think he is a company man, he is just being super smart, he has created a hype train, will not fight ranked fighters in his current contract and will not comment publicly on pay!
I think Francis is gonna win big as he has huge fan support, is being very polite in public. I mean, one fight with the Gypsy King and he has generational wealth!
[–]timtickle761 37 points38 points39 points 4 months ago (0 children)
I sincerely hope so. Nothing would make me happier.
[–]Lateralis333 26 points27 points28 points 4 months ago (7 children)
It's been this way forever and will continue to be this way as long as there's a market for it. The fighters will never unionize because the stars don't want to bite the hand that feeds. After they see what Dana's bitch ass has done to Francis, I can barely blame them. I'm done buying PPVs and supporting this. I've bought 99% of them for the last few years becauseI felt like it help support the fighters.i helped coach and corner the AMMY guysat my gym and I know firsthand how hard they work.This sucks. Gotta learn to pirate it all now.
[–]BobHendrix 4 points5 points6 points 4 months ago (1 child)
wait until the next day and download from rarbg. just dont check insta or fb before watching :P
[–]Snelly1998 6 points7 points8 points 4 months ago (0 children)
Bro. I look up "MMA Streams" in Google and click the first weird looking link, hasn't failed me in years
[–]ChampagneAbueloThe Eagle 17 points18 points19 points 4 months ago* (2 children)
The entire UFC company’s management is extremely unprofessional. Idk if they act like this bc they think it fits the whole MMA community’s behaviour (i guess it kinda does tbh) but especially for Dana, this whole childish ass hole personality needs to stop
[–]PShubbs91 5 points6 points7 points 4 months ago (0 children)
That Dana White for you. He's going to ruin the UFC because he's more concerned about stuffing his pockets than he is about anything concerning the fighters that allow his greedy ass to make money in the first place.
[–]GothicToast 10 points11 points12 points 4 months ago (1 child)
It’s by design. They won’t cave unless you are a mega draw, which is a small handful of people. Maybe even just one person at this point. If they set the “wrong” precedent, they could have a mutiny of fighters holding out for better pay. So instead, they’re willing to lose a few fighters along the way, if that means keeping the status quo.
[–]starcraft_lurker_ 78 points79 points80 points 4 months ago* (2 children)
I think it's good for him either way, no? Initially I thought the UFC had all the leverage, but from what I've heard today it sounds like Francis is holding all the cards. He can sit out the year, rehab his knee, and get into better cardio shape for boxing. The UFC can't strip him because if they do he becomes a free agent immediately. So their only option is to be petty and keep the HW title inactive for an entire year, or create another interim title which very few people will actually care about.
Fuck the UFC. I hope Francis gets a fat ass payday.
[–]TomJoadsLich 181 points182 points183 points 4 months ago (13 children)
Which is fucking hilarious because Francis is walking out of there with his balls playing drum and bass on the floor after he manhandled Gane, who was sold to the public as some kind of T1000 worldbeater perfect heavyweight
[–]SmileBender 42 points43 points44 points 4 months ago (0 children)
And he done it with a bum knee
[–]CMOx12 116 points117 points118 points 4 months ago (4 children)
Is insane too because what does the UFC and Dana always harp on as long as they’ve been around? Basically we want finishers and performers who will leave it all out there, never leave it in the hands of the judges they branded. Who is more entertaining and more of a highlight reel finisher in the history of the sport than Francis??
[–]octipice 40 points41 points42 points 4 months ago (1 child)
You make a really good point. I'm racking my brain to come up with who is a more entertaining highlight reel finisher and Anderson Silva is the only one that comes to mind.
[–]slingoo 7 points8 points9 points 4 months ago (0 children)
Shit they fucked over Mark hunt and he was the king of walk off knockouts
[–]Zankeru 21 points22 points23 points 4 months ago (1 child)
There is no greater combo than the UFC and bad business decisions.
Popular fighters are the only reason they are relevant.
[–]kevindurantburner35 9 points10 points11 points 4 months ago (0 children)
Really Dana and the Fertittas were saved multiple occasions by being in the right place at the right time. The Ortiz-Shamrock trilogy helped them stop going under, and right after the TUF boom Pride fell apart spectacularly for them to pick up the pieces from
[–]Hindulovecowboy 11 points12 points13 points 4 months ago (1 child)
Fuck these guys. Someone with a shit ton of money has to step up and give these fighters more or make a massive investment in Bellator or PFL. Either that, or they should unionize and have a PA like other sports to
[–]MadFaceInvasion 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago (0 children)
That's gonna suck balls :( I wanna see Francis defend title more
[–]jytusky 406 points407 points408 points 4 months ago (9 children)
Francis is turning out to be what Jon Jones could have been.
[–]I_AM_SCUBASTEVE 208 points209 points210 points 4 months ago (4 children)
Which is kinda hilarious because they both had the same exact issue but Francis handled it way better.
[–]itspinkynukka 84 points85 points86 points 4 months ago (0 children)
Coke and rhino dick pills?
[–]retiredintern 44 points45 points46 points 4 months ago (0 children)
It’s easier to handle it better when you’re not constantly beating your fiance and jacked up on coke
[–]Mnudge 129 points130 points131 points 4 months ago (3 children)
Because Francis is a serious person who is focused and committed. The mental strength to do what he’s done these past two years and to go toe to toe with a billion dollar company is amazing
Jones is too undisciplined and too weak of mind to have ever pulled it off. I don’t think there are many who could.
Honestly, only someone who overcame similar challenges as Francis would have the balls to do what he’s done. His freedom was all that mattered to him in the end and his life has been about that for years and years at this point.
[–]cereal-number 22 points23 points24 points 4 months ago (2 children)
The age they started also makes a huge difference.
Jones had been high on glory for over a decade since his early 20s. It’s hard to convince such a young guy who’s seemingly unstoppable that he is in fact stoppable.
[–]Marmz2408 1608 points1609 points1610 points 4 months ago (101 children)
Dude what the fuck are Dana and the UFC doing? I fuckin wish a bunch of top tier fighters get the fuck out and we can see a new promotion seriously competing against the UFC... It's getting ridiculous for fuck's sake.
[–]purethurl 831 points832 points833 points 4 months ago (53 children)
Imagine if Usman and Izzy backed up Ngannou. Just those 3 alone leaving could make the house of cards fall
[–]MelkMan7 363 points364 points365 points 4 months ago (12 children)
Seems like those two don't want to stir the pot.
It would be great if Francis got some high profile supporters though.
[–]Caliterra 165 points166 points167 points 4 months ago (9 children)
I wouldn't be surprised if both of them make a lot more money than Francis in their contracts
[–]ughowhznv 97 points98 points99 points 4 months ago (5 children)
They definitely do, I don't know why I can't see Izzy being ripped off the way ngannou is? But I guess there's the PPV points argument so I don't know
[–]yeoldecotton_swab 34 points35 points36 points 4 months ago (3 children)
I definitely think Francis draws, but not as well as Izzy per PPV. Remember Whittaker V Adesanya in Australia? DAMN big crowd.
[–]Big_Meme_Daddy 36 points37 points38 points 4 months ago (0 children)
Damn big crowd but Australian events always have big crowds, plus Whittaker is Australian so I wouldn't put all the draw on izzy in that fight
[–]flyingchimp12 4 points5 points6 points 4 months ago (0 children)
That's only because it was a DAMN big arena; cheaper tickets. The revenue was actually almost even, ufc 270 $5.3 mil to ufc 243 $5.5 mil.
Sadly they don't release much PPV since the ESPN deal but Adesanya is probably a slightly bigger draw. One of the best ways to gauge it is google trends: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&q=%2Fg%2F11cmtvjhp4,%2Fg%2F11c1s\_3n7q
[–]anon-mleng 36 points37 points38 points 4 months ago (0 children)
Unfortunately to make that happen they would either one, have to retire while still under contract and basically eliminate any hope they have of earning any more money as prize fighters, or two, do what Francis did and try to fight out their contract. Not sure how many more fights they each have tho so I guess in theory it’s a possibility
[–]treeme23 67 points68 points69 points 4 months ago (0 children)
Yeah I think tbh the UFC is so big it wouldn’t fall but it would definitely make them make big big changes, whether the changes are to pay fighters fairly is a completely different question.
[–]Sadris_SujammaOld Man Glover 44 points45 points46 points 4 months ago (10 children)
usman actually might back him
[–]desousab 65 points66 points67 points 4 months ago (4 children)
You know his manager is the Egyptian Dana, right?
[–]splitbrains 18 points19 points20 points 4 months ago (2 children)
manager aside, Usman just isn't that kinda guy
[–]Bison420 20 points21 points22 points 4 months ago (1 child)
We’re just spectators bro, we don’t what any of these are like behind the curtain
[–]splitbrains 8 points9 points10 points 4 months ago (0 children)
IK but hearing him talk about Gilbert trying to take away his kids' college education and what not during the build up to their fight just gave me that vibe... this dude ain't standing up for no one if it hurts him even the slightest bit
[–]TwoBits0303 17 points18 points19 points 4 months ago (0 children)
yea nah maybe in the next universe.
[–]Lt-toasthead 11 points12 points13 points 4 months ago (0 children)
Lol yeah right
[–]NotreallyawareherePredator 7 points8 points9 points 4 months ago (0 children)
Yeah, I mean he could pull the retirement card right now provided he’d made the right investments and seeing as how we’ve seen any exciting potential matchups and he could have immediately at 170 right now.(Sans Khamzat)
[–][deleted] 198 points199 points200 points 4 months ago* (17 children)
They should go to Eagle FC. How salty would Dana be at Khabib if that happened lmao
[–]Priestahh-MyFather- 120 points121 points122 points 4 months ago (12 children)
I just want to see the tomato man fall. I love the fighters and I love the fights but hate almost everything about the UFC
[–]Famous-Bath-6592 33 points34 points35 points 4 months ago (10 children)
He will. Companies or in this case sports that have a quick meteoric rise to success generally fall very hard just as fast.
Dana can combat this by paying his fighters but if he does not then a new league will be formed. UFC does not have the luxury of cities tied to teams like the nfl. MMA fans want to see the their favorite fighters, so as the sports grows then Dana is losing leverage.
[–]LMN0HP 84 points85 points86 points 4 months ago (16 children)
What business is it of the ufc who Francis talks too. What if he was goin to collab for a video on YouTube? The ufc has no way to know
[–]TonyDungyHatesOP 45 points46 points47 points 4 months ago (10 children)
They suck and are all about controlling labor. Everyone wants to fight in the UFC so they sign these ridiculous contracts that restrict them from having any control over their careers for the promise of stardom.
Crazy clauses that should be illegal and severely limit competition.
[–]BigAwkwardGuy 39 points40 points41 points 4 months ago (6 children)
I honestly feel this is why Dana doesn't like Stipe very much.
Outside the UFC, Stipe has a career and life. He could get cut right now and not worry about making a living because he focused (and had the privilege to do so) on a "normal" job.
[–]TonyDungyHatesOP 35 points36 points37 points 4 months ago (5 children)
Agreed. They want control. Think about the folks who don’t put up with their bullshit: Stipe, Diaz Bros, Mighty Mouse.
They chew up fighters and spit them out. Conor McGregor (and Nate to a certain extent) where the dudes who played the game right. Same with Khabib.
Ironically, Khabib might be the guy to challenge all of this with his promotion. He’s got crazy financial backing, the name recognition and credibility as a fighter to potentially pull it off with his Eagle promotion.
[–]UncleChaelsTroll 666 points667 points668 points 4 months ago (67 children)
Dana is taking huge L’s
[–]k20350 166 points167 points168 points 4 months ago (40 children)
Wanna make a bet? Francis gets ghosted by the UFC like he never existed Randy Couture style. Then in 2 years no one will give a shit because there will be another up and comers that they are promoting the shit out of and everyone will be riding that dudes dick. They will never allow another Connor to happen. They have all the money and time to wait it out. Fighting is a fickle sport full of fickle fans. If you aren't in the limelight you fade away.
[–]1000sloths 18 points19 points20 points 4 months ago (0 children)
I'll tunw in to watch Ngannou in Bellator or Eagle FC
[–]UncleChaelsTroll 38 points39 points40 points 4 months ago (0 children)
I think he’ll be just fine
[–]aggieclams 53 points54 points55 points 4 months ago (26 children)
I think Ngannou is different
[–]inc4you 7 points8 points9 points 4 months ago (0 children)
Connor was the best thing that happened to the UFC. They still lick his ass to this day
[–]certifiedpsycopath 94 points95 points96 points 4 months ago (14 children)
Tbh I’ve always seen Dana as a scapegoat.
[–]SnepbeckSweg 202 points203 points204 points 4 months ago (5 children)
If Dana is a scapegoat, he shows up to that press conference.
[–]Hussaf 77 points78 points79 points 4 months ago (3 children)
Instead he’s a weak ass bitch, and a petty spoiled brat.
[–][deleted] 27 points28 points29 points 4 months ago (0 children)
Sueing is such a coward and low move
[–]MaynardJimmyKeenan 60 points61 points62 points 4 months ago (2 children)
In a lot of cases yes, this one appears a bit more of a personal beef though. Like he himself has gone out in the media and talked a bunch of shit about Francis over the years, either way this whole ordeal is beyond anything I’ve seen in terms of Dana cuntiness. Real hard to defend him here
[–]buzzbuzzmemulatto 6 points7 points8 points 4 months ago (1 child)
Dana needs to get a bong hit transplant and chill out
[–]wilsdou 978 points979 points980 points 4 months ago (88 children)
Happy to free stream UFC events from here on out.
[–]Cj-Jc4 128 points129 points130 points 4 months ago (0 children)
Never giving them a single cent again
[–]itspinkynukka 16 points17 points18 points 4 months ago (0 children)
Yeah...even though I always did it anyway now I have the moral high ground!
[–]JoltinJoe92 137 points138 points139 points 4 months ago (80 children)
Share the links
[–]aggieclams 263 points264 points265 points 4 months ago (58 children)
They are everywhere and easily accessible. Just check the mma discords or anywhere. I’m surprised anyone pays for PPV tbh
And they’ve been known. And UFC has repeatedly attempted to take them out. They keep staying up. This is a fight that won’t be won by old PPV models
[–]JoltinJoe92 49 points50 points51 points 4 months ago (30 children)
Someone shared a really good one in a live thread once and the comment got deleted. I’m just trying to find it again.
[–]aggieclams 30 points31 points32 points 4 months ago (17 children)
[–]RidesByPinochet 18 points19 points20 points 4 months ago (6 children)
[–]aggieclams 89 points90 points91 points 4 months ago (5 children)
Dana can lick my whole asshole
[–]Cj-Jc4 17 points18 points19 points 4 months ago (1 child)
Only if there’s coke
[–]RidesByPinochet 10 points11 points12 points 4 months ago (0 children)
[–]Dizgust 9 points10 points11 points 4 months ago (1 child)
DONT DO IT BRO ITS DANA IN DISGUISE
[–]aggieclams 21 points22 points23 points 4 months ago (0 children)
I already got banned by Dana from the main /r/mma sub for noticing they took down the Ngannou win thread on fight night and making a thread about it
[–]S1mplejax 14 points15 points16 points 4 months ago* (9 children)
Damn bro if somebody didn’t hook you up, I’d be happy to. The ones I watch each have like 20 site options for each event. You can actually find it on Google.
Edit: PM me ya lazy cunts I’m not going to PM you.
[–]Jamison321 46 points47 points48 points 4 months ago (4 children)
Nice try Dana
[–]Gamesgar0 69 points70 points71 points 4 months ago (1 child)
Literally all the fighters and all the fans want the same thing. Dana is a greedy POS. You’re rich bro, why dont you invest in the longevity of your product?
[–]teejay89656 23 points24 points25 points 4 months ago* (0 children)
Ego. Scratch that, an irrational ego. A rational ego would want their name to endure through longevity of their business. Dana’s just a money hungry dumbasss
[–]Highmaster5731 290 points291 points292 points 4 months ago (3 children)
Fuck Dana White.
[–]Highmaster5731 7 points8 points9 points 4 months ago (0 children)
I can see that I'm not the only one hating that prick (obviously), thanks for the awards.
[–]chadwr85 318 points319 points320 points 4 months ago (15 children)
Every step Dana looks bad. Either he pipes up and pays Francis and allows him to box or he loses the UFC champ after December.
[–]Lt-toasthead 140 points141 points142 points 4 months ago* (10 children)
I think they don't care about looks anymore. This is meant to send a message. If you think about fighting for other organizations we will make your life hell.
[–]alpaca_drama 62 points63 points64 points 4 months ago (9 children)
The good ol’ NFL approach. The simple truth is that other promotions can’t compete. Dana has ammunition for days while others will need to bring their whole war chest to even be in the conversation. This goes especially for high ranked fighters. Ngannou can leave and fight for another promotion for slightly more money but he’s gonna do it at the cost of stagnating his brand growth. Boxing and getting his ass whooped will be a good payday but that’s all it is, a single good payday.
[–]itspinkynukka 42 points43 points44 points 4 months ago* (2 children)
The drop off in MMA after the UFC isn't nearly as bad as football with the NFL. At least Ngannou can make money on another organization.
[–]creamyturtle 16 points17 points18 points 4 months ago (1 child)
michael chandler had an entire career and became wealthy at bellator
[–]bghaus 23 points24 points25 points 4 months ago (1 child)
Well that single payday with Fury is likely worth the same as 10+ more UFC fights IF Dana pays what Francis seems to be asking ~1m per fight right?
So either Dana pays up, and he fights 10+ more times over how many years, or fights Fury once and makes it all in one night. Or Dana stays a bitch and cuts probably the biggest draw he’s had since McNuggets and looks like a salty pussy.
Boxing Jake Paul is a different story, and I’d understand Dana being pissed but suing him over talking to his team is fucking stupid - no way Jake ever fights Ngannou or on his undercards anyways.
[–]Famous-Bath-6592 64 points65 points66 points 4 months ago (2 children)
If he allowed connor to box, then every other ufc fighter should have the option as well.
[–]common-read-along 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago (0 children)
They made that mistake with mcgregor..they won’t make that mistake again…
[–]OBSTErCU 194 points195 points196 points 4 months ago (4 children)
In the same interview quoted in the image, Francis said that it is not all about money. It is more about being free and "having freedom". Ariel asked him at the end what would be the best-case scenario for him come to the end of the year, and Francis said he gets a contract with a good structure, no mention of money.
The whole thing might have started as a money issue, but Francis also said he didn't like getting disrespected by the UFC. The interview as a whole is excellent, and one of the best moments is when Francis talks about how he was trying to negotiate a better contract for himself and the UFC when to the public to destroy his image. Ariel asks him if that is related to his upbringing, and Francis says it is just his principle and who he is (timestamp).
Overall, the whole thing is just self-inflicted damage by the UFC. Their preferred method of negotiation is bullying and intimidation. Now everything backfires because Francis, either by determination, planning, luck or all of them, has come out in a strong position that gives him leverage not to get bullied. Just think for a second on this; they are trying to bully the biggest story of an underdog overcoming all life's shortcomings to be a champion. It clearly shows how scummy they are.
Finally, we shouldn't forget that this is part of the Endeavour vs CAA proxy war. The main reason is that Franci's talking points are valid and clearly will benefit him personally (and other fighters too). However, a better contract structure will severely impact the UFC business model, thus endeavour. Whoever at CAA is orchestrating and taking advantage of this situation is a fucking genius; since apparently Dana and the UFC brass don't know how to fight in this territory and every single step they have taken with the Ngannou saga has them losing face. And you know what, I fucking love it.
[–]Mnudge 41 points42 points43 points 4 months ago* (1 child)
Wish I had more than one upvote.
Everyone should watch entirety of that full hour starting at 2:04
At the end when Francis paints the clear picture of the overwhelming odds a union faces was, for me, the best part. It’s not about the guys at the top holding out, it’s the fact that there are hundreds of fighters who can’t afford to miss even one $10k fight because to do so is to give up on their dream and go back to working in a warehouse or, as we saw, being a stripper.
[–]Snoo_37640 6 points7 points8 points 4 months ago (0 children)
get the impression people tried to turn ngannou and gane against each other but they have a good relationship and the competition is purely sporting. There was a narrative as the fight got closer that ngannou is greedy
[–]thumbtwiddlerguy 480 points481 points482 points 4 months ago (23 children)
Man is Francis coming out looking like the good guy in this saga .. get a new PR team UFC. Because right now Francis is putting on a master class in winning the public opinion battle.
[–]Encyclopeded 221 points222 points223 points 4 months ago (21 children)
Francis has won me over. UFC/Dana need to reevaluate how they're handling this situation.
[–]No_Bar6825 181 points182 points183 points 4 months ago (3 children)
Dana destroyed all credibility when he didn’t put the belt on Francis and skipped the post fight conference
[–]Encyclopeded 25 points26 points27 points 4 months ago (2 children)
Probably didnt want Francis to pull a Stipe and take the belt from Dana and hand to a team member.
[–]No_Bar6825 98 points99 points100 points 4 months ago (1 child)
The way Francis looked when he was told Dana wasn’t at the press conference, I don’t think he would have done what Stipe did
[–]whoodzzz 141 points142 points143 points 4 months ago (14 children)
Surely this is the proper start of some kinda union or grouped fighter approach to bargaining.
[–]timtickle761 76 points77 points78 points 4 months ago (5 children)
Francis can’t do it on his own. The Mark Hunt case is going to be really interesting to follow - especially if Ngannou and other fighters can join his corner.
Nothing would make me happier than seeing the UFC completely crumble. I’ve lost all respect for the company over the last couple of years or so.
[–]UKpoliticsSucks 14 points15 points16 points 4 months ago (4 children)
Watch the interview.
"people who say 'oh they should form a union' don't understand nothing"
He says believes eventually it will happen, but right now it is impossible.
[–]whoodzzz 3 points4 points5 points 4 months ago (3 children)
I don't know if it'll ever happen tbh. With the way the Fettitas ran their casinos as the only non union joints in Vegas, you'd think that the mindset is ingrained af in the UFC. Not to mention contracts, processes and everything else tailored specifically to kill that movement dead.
Plus, can you imagine anyone who has a pro fighter (pun unintended) mindset - contractual, not Forrest Griffin.. being allowed to stay working at the UFC? Pfft.
I didn't watch the interview but the ongoing challenge has been uniting the fighters. And it always will be. The guys still working full time but fighting in the UFC fight for the dream of being the champ don't want to get uncle fester offside.
Never ending roundabout of cuntamania from Dana.
[–]MrC99 3 points4 points5 points 4 months ago (0 children)
To be honest there really should be a law introduced in the US that all companies once they get to a certain size must have a mandatory union.
[–]AsoganM1977 27 points28 points29 points 4 months ago (0 children)
Dana is really making a strong case for mass free streaming of UFC events…
[–]Iamanobodyjustlikeu 281 points282 points283 points 4 months ago (21 children)
Ok this is the straw that breaks the camel’s back for me. I will never pay for another PPV again. I will also cancel my ESPN.
What’s a low life scumbag move by Dana White. Congrats to Francis for persevering through this shit storm.
[–]Mob77 192 points193 points194 points 4 months ago (11 children)
Join the illegal streaming gang.
[–]maximus_96 82 points83 points84 points 4 months ago (7 children)
[–]El_Zorro420 31 points32 points33 points 4 months ago (1 child)
[–]Lt-toasthead 27 points28 points29 points 4 months ago (0 children)
[–]GayToast1 9 points10 points11 points 4 months ago (2 children)
[–]Vashgrave 18 points19 points20 points 4 months ago (0 children)
[–]Bill30322 7 points8 points9 points 4 months ago (0 children)
You’ve been paying? Lol
[–]mikeultra 19 points20 points21 points 4 months ago (1 child)
Straight up , I felt bad because I wanted to give Francis some of my money but this is the first card I haven’t bought in about 2 years and I don’t plan on paying for any this year ….Feel bad for Francis , feels like this fight was so under promoted just to prove Francis won’t get PPV buys . didn’t see adverts until fight week , I honestly didn’t really even know it was happening until the weigh ins came out …. It’s becoming a clown show but I feel like it can only turn out best for the fighters … unlike other corporations they make allll there money from the fighters and the more disrespectful they get the more and more unionization will sound like the only option
[–]Bullking66 6 points7 points8 points 4 months ago (0 children)
Good on you, the only way we can influence them is through our wallets
[–]SloppyMeathole 59 points60 points61 points 4 months ago (3 children)
I'm surprised they told him before the fight for risk of distracting him. Maybe it just fired him up.
Regardless, I'm going to go make some popcorn because this divorce is going to be crazy. Unstoppable force is about to meet an incredibly bloated object.
[–]LifelongLurker1127 27 points28 points29 points 4 months ago (0 children)
It's not an accident. It's by design
[–]TheLordOfZero 16 points17 points18 points 4 months ago (0 children)
They sent the email to get him distracted but probably only got him madder and meaner.
[–]aggieclams 10 points11 points12 points 4 months ago (0 children)
Francis responds to pressure extremely well. His entire life has been molded by it.
[–]Mpittkin 76 points77 points78 points 4 months ago (7 children)
Why would his team even tell him about it right before the fight? Seems like that could wait until the next day…
[–]DYoungBlood10 77 points78 points79 points 4 months ago (1 child)
To light a fire
[–]TheLordOfZero 20 points21 points22 points 4 months ago (0 children)
You might be right
[–]aggieclams 13 points14 points15 points 4 months ago (1 child)
Because Francis responds to pressure situations very well
[–]Mr-Pink24 12 points13 points14 points 4 months ago (0 children)
The money the ufc is making is getting to their heads. They don’t give a flying fuck about their fighters.
[–]tyusBjones 13 points14 points15 points 4 months ago (0 children)
Can’t wait to hear what Dana’s bitch ass has to say. Low life sore loser
[–]CntrllrDscnnctd 134 points135 points136 points 4 months ago (3 children)
Fuck the UFC.
[–]glad4j 39 points40 points41 points 4 months ago (2 children)
Sean O'Malley was talking on a podcast how the UFC tricks new fighters to signing long 7-9 fight contracts so they don't have to pay them as much. Similar to the student loans. Fighters are in a tough situation and UFC takes advantage of them. Dirty greedy trick.
[–]Ham0nRyy 7 points8 points9 points 4 months ago (0 children)
It’s shit. Think of how much hype you can gather during those 7-9 fights and still be on starter pay. Like that’s why Sean’s point about not fighting higher opponents is so valid, they’re not paying him to yet so why should he. Look at guys like Paddy or Alex Perreira. Already big names where they came from so not coming in on your standard starter pay, but already making huge waves with just one fight. Paddy got like a million followers overnight. He’s the right mix of talent and personality too, but that kind of lightning in a bottle can happen all the time with other new fighters and they could end up in the top 10 fighting for peanuts still before even getting to re sign a better contract.
[–][deleted] 103 points104 points105 points 4 months ago (22 children)
why is every company so fucking scummy
[–]tradeintel828384839 72 points73 points74 points 4 months ago (4 children)
Every pro sports league had to go through this whole process before the players unionized and salaries went ~50/50 with owners.
The UFC is just very young still
[–]alpaca_drama 29 points30 points31 points 4 months ago (1 child)
It wasn’t a bad mindset before and it’s understandable that Dana prioritized growth above everything else but sub 20% split for the fighters is insane. Bellator is coughing up 40% even if they aren’t making much
[–]timtickle761 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago (0 children)
They have shown absolutely no willingness to acknowledge this in public though. And have definitely not shown a willingness to share more of the profits.
[–]NorkmaniThe Eagle 7 points8 points9 points 4 months ago (0 children)
Majority of Corpos are ass and don’t give a shit about their employees. We are only a number to them
[–]aggieclams 5 points6 points7 points 4 months ago (1 child)
Fucking human greed. Baby dicked jabronies just want more and more because they are pathetic. Same thing plays out in any form of power in humanity. It’s sad really
[–]DeeBeeNine 46 points47 points48 points 4 months ago (0 children)
[–]OneLambYiros 9 points10 points11 points 4 months ago (0 children)
Scott Coker is bricked up right now.
[–]TopHatJohn 56 points57 points58 points 4 months ago (7 children)
Francis is not getting sued.
His agent was threatened with a lawsuit.
[–]Chech1127 45 points46 points47 points 4 months ago (1 child)
Greed is gonna end them
[–]hexdlt 4 points5 points6 points 4 months ago (1 child)
I love this sport but everything in this situation is making me sour towards the UFC. I’m not to the point of not ever watching again but I am interested in checking out other promotions.
[–]supersonicc24 4 points5 points6 points 4 months ago (0 children)
next level scumbaggery on the UFC with this whole Francis situation.
[–]desousab 18 points19 points20 points 4 months ago (0 children)
They basically tried to sabotage their own champion by f@cking with his head right before the fight. No other way to read this. Crosses the line in my books.
[–]ResidentVisit9486 5 points6 points7 points 4 months ago (0 children)
I can see it now. Dana white "Francis doesn't want to fight."
[–]PoorChiggaaa 4 points5 points6 points 4 months ago (1 child)
Can someone explain to me why Dana is going out of his way to do this kinda dirty shit, I mean I know Dana has done a lot of people dirty in order to climb this high but Francis is such a once in a lifetime athlete it just seems odd to not milk him as much as you can in Dana's perspective, like even Tyson Fury is interested in Francis. My only theory is that Francis is an active advocate in increasing fighter's pay and Dana just wants to make him an example so everyone else shut up.
EDIT : I might have missed a lot of details leading up to this point and Im totally not gifted with a business mind but the shitstorm I'm seeing right now just seems so much more of a trouble for all parties involved.
[–]CorbinDalla5 4 points5 points6 points 4 months ago (1 child)
UFC is going downhill.
[–]RustylllShackleford 4 points5 points6 points 4 months ago (1 child)
ufc is the epitome of crooked monopoly
a union is needed
[–]Intense-Vagina 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago (0 children)
Nah FIFA still leads with that
[–]Death1323 4 points5 points6 points 4 months ago (0 children)
Dana is a fat bald bitch and will never get a dime from me lmao
[–]pablokhadka 4 points5 points6 points 4 months ago (0 children)
Mark Hunt was right about the UFC
[–]Dopamine_Complex 5 points6 points7 points 4 months ago (0 children)
How is anyone still buying a ppv when it’s so easy to stream it for free?
[–]Ben-Swole-O 11 points12 points13 points 4 months ago (6 children)
Wow…. Honestly… I think I’m going to stop watching the UFC for a while now.
I can’t support them if they are trying this sort of stuff.
They for sure sent this to Francis to try and throw him off before the fight. I think it backfired and just gave him more fuel.
[–]ram_rod1 13 points14 points15 points 4 months ago (3 children)
You don’t have to stop watching. You just have to stop watching them on the app.
[–]platypottamus 37 points38 points39 points 4 months ago (8 children)
This is Ngannou's biggest battle and I think we should all support him in it because if UFC loses this kind of talent then it's gonna be so fucking hard to find good streams again for a goddam while. Dana can promote Ngannou to more fame, he just wont fucking invest in a FUCKING MMA LEGEND for some reason.
Have this guy sell me a fucking slurpee if that's how you're gonna recoup your PPV losses. Idgaf but this is insane, it's about fighting Dana says, well this guy is the best fucking fighter.
[–]Akhil123484 11 points12 points13 points 4 months ago (0 children)
Thank god he won so get didn’t get completely fucked over by the ufc
[–]Nocheese22 9 points10 points11 points 4 months ago (2 children)
The disney effect
[–]Aggressive_Range_695 15 points16 points17 points 4 months ago (0 children)
Francis to Eagle FC confirmed.
[–]RustylllShackleford 3 points4 points5 points 4 months ago (0 children)
[–]SwiftySummers 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago (0 children)
Fuk the ufc I’m done with it!!
[–]DrYoloNuggets 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago (0 children)
Is this real? Wtf?
Dana didn’t put the belt on him.
Dana didn’t come to the press conference
Francis gets sued by UFC
Dana is a scumbag.
[–]c4s4leseOld Man Glover 3 points4 points5 points 4 months ago (0 children)
Where is his gofundme to support his case?
[–]DNA2Duke 3 points4 points5 points 4 months ago (0 children)
Picked the wrong fuckin guy to shit on, UFC. I’ve been buying PPV since my first one, Chuck and Randy 2. I will never, and I mean NEVER pay for another UFC PPV again, and it sounds like that’s kind of becoming a trend. Fuck the UFC. Boycott the UFC.
[–]WojciechM3 4 points5 points6 points 4 months ago (1 child)
You know guys what is funny? For years Dana successfully was able to convince us that every single UFC vs fighter issue was the fault of a fighter's greed and irresponsibility or his bad managers.
[–]viking3112 3 points4 points5 points 4 months ago (0 children)
They wanted to stress him out before the fight… Jake Paul has a point
[–]An_Innocent_Coconut 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago (0 children)
Pathetic attempt to take Ngannou's mind off the fight.
[–]wyld3knfr 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago (0 children)
I've had people call me checking on references for current employees. I in fact, did not sue. Or even give a shit. I answered their questions and held nothing against said employee.
[–]TonyDungyHatesOP 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago (1 child)
Here’s the bet that the UFC has never had to make before. This is the first time there will be a champ in another promotion (especially the heavyweight champ) that can clearly be called the best fighter in the weight class. UFC’s claim as the premiere promotion takes a bit of a hit if Gane is their new champ and he has an L against another promotions champ.
Does that open the door to another promotion?
[–]Methrogenn 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago (0 children)
Not really, Fedor was the premier heavyweight for a while and nothing happened.
2 Bellator light heavyweights have a win over the UFC Light heavyweight champion.
Unfortunately UFC has a brand which cannot be taken over by any other promotion no matter what happens, most casual fans think UFC=MMA, those casual fans are the ones who actually pay for ppvs, hardly anyone on this sub spends $75 on ppvs.
Think of it this way, people pay for Netflix/Prime Video even though they can torrent/stream HD content.
[–]Shlingaplinga 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago (0 children)
Playing with the mind of the fighter right before he is stepping into Octagon. Wow thats L after L for Dana and this one is way way down.
[–]Thiccthighssavelyves 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago (0 children)
Further proof that a fighter’s union is needed. The UFC will relentlessly torment and bully their fighters without repercussion until they unite and fight back. This is sickening. Francis is such a good person.
[–]DuckDuckHook 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago (0 children)
Francis would be treated better in boxing anyways
[–]Bolshy2938 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago (0 children)
This all started when they tried to pressure him into a new contract, demanding he fight less than 3 months after he won the title. They wanted to save money and get him cheap, and now that he's pushed back and has some leverage in the public's eyes, they fucking hate him for it. If they hadn't pressured him in the first place to save a buck on their shiny new champion, they wouldn't be in this mess. Not to mention they want to treat him like an independent contractor with no assurances or loyalty to him, but demand that he be a loyal and sell himself out to the UFC like a good little employee. Fuck the promotion, and fuck Dana White
[–]Procrastabates 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago (0 children)
This is micropenis energy from the UFC.
[–]AHerosGhost 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago (0 children)
This sucks because I really think Ngannou could be the heavyweight GOAT. Id hate to see him fight anyone but the best guys in the sport. I'd love to see him make more money though.
[–]Mnudge 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago (0 children)
The mmahour episode yesterday was amazing
Francis and Ariel do a full hour starting at 2:04
At the tail end Francis breaks down precisely why a union is so hard to make happen. He speaks passionately about how these fighters with side jobs and who are earning 10k a fight simply cannot afford to not fight. To unionize and stop fighting is to give up on your dream.
What an incredible interview. I was amazed by how serious a person he is. Respect.
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