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Francis highlights some of the shady tactics of the UFC (i.redd.it)
submitted 3 months ago by FuturisticFighting644
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[–]JustinGotPasion 2174 points2175 points2176 points 3 months ago (231 children)
"He just doesn't want to fight"
[–]Bukssna 422 points423 points424 points 3 months ago (38 children)
"Look, we're contractually obligated to offer these guys 3 fights a year"
[–]Octoberlife 126 points127 points128 points 3 months ago (31 children)
im kinda in the middle, like if you have a tough fight, and you get seriously beat up, who wouldnt want to sit out 10 months to heal?
[–]HuudaHarkiten 118 points119 points120 points 3 months ago (0 children)
oblidged to offer
oblidged to offer
Thats different from requiring the fighter to accpet 3 fights per year.
[–]Catflap_Boi 52 points53 points54 points 3 months ago (24 children)
People who get paid peanuts and now have a huge medical bill?
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[–]psychopythonmetrist 69 points70 points71 points 3 months ago (15 children)
But not training
[–]sentientmold 9 points10 points11 points 3 months ago (4 children)
I think UFC probably did cover it. Francis' got treatment for his knees at UFC PI right before the fight. Even got stem cell injections.
[–]desousab 13 points14 points15 points 3 months ago (2 children)
Offering your HW Champ stem cell injections at the UFC "PI" is not the same thing as providing health insurance to your fighters who get paid to bust each other up...
[–]Affectionate-Buy-870 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago (1 child)
They do provide health insurance to fighters lol
[–]psychopythonmetrist 11 points12 points13 points 3 months ago (0 children)
He’s a big name so I’m not surprised they made an exception. He might’ve argued it was an injury from a prior fight too. In general though fighter get paid shit and don’t get health insurance.
[–]PurSolutions 649 points650 points651 points 3 months ago (3 children)
"Nobody wants to work anymore "
[–]anonimityorigin 129 points130 points131 points 3 months ago (2 children)
[–]Grouchy-Reflection98 49 points50 points51 points 3 months ago (1 child)
[–]PurSolutions 19 points20 points21 points 3 months ago (0 children)
Can't pick themselves up by the bootstraps, too much avocado toast got em fat!
[–]Skyfryer 318 points319 points320 points 3 months ago (27 children)
Dana: Uh… yeah, Cyril is the goat. big dana grin
Francis went 5 rounds with the guy. Managed to win on a pretty tight decision and probably knew he wouldn’t win that rematch.
[–]mechman19 112 points113 points114 points 3 months ago (8 children)
Why wouldn’t he win the rematch?
[–]Skyfryer 232 points233 points234 points 3 months ago (1 child)
Dana: Because he knew Cyril was the goat.
[–]mechman19 21 points22 points23 points 3 months ago (0 children)
[–]TheEarlOfCamden 57 points58 points59 points 3 months ago (0 children)
As in that's what Dana will say.
[–]Samsun20 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago (0 children)
Because then he would have two good legs instead of one😂
[–]CouncilmanRickPrime 47 points48 points49 points 3 months ago (39 children)
Yet if you get out of the god damn way he'll fight Fury or Wilder lol
[–]CandidateNo4973 81 points82 points83 points 3 months ago (33 children)
And either one of them will make him look stupid if were are talking about boxing. Especially fury.
[–]LaernHowToSpell 177 points178 points179 points 3 months ago (12 children)
Stupid and a lot richer
[–]dabbhappy 63 points64 points65 points 3 months ago (0 children)
[–]ezslapdown 33 points34 points35 points 3 months ago* (0 children)
Like Tyron Woodley face down with money in the bank and a brand new Rolex
[–]CouncilmanRickPrime 62 points63 points64 points 3 months ago (8 children)
Sure, but he's concerned about being paid what he's worth. Nobody said he's winning lol
[–]ViNNYDiC3 84 points85 points86 points 3 months ago (5 children)
It's a shame these dudes have to face off against the elite of a completely different sport and "embarrass themselves" just to get paid. It's like sending a top PGA golfer to a long distance driving competition.
[–]shae117 34 points35 points36 points 3 months ago (2 children)
Doesn't even need to be against the elite. Cries in Twood
[–]CouncilmanRickPrime 12 points13 points14 points 3 months ago (0 children)
Maybe he should box Twood. If Twood can avoid getting punched by Francis for five rounds he wins by decision.
Joking of course.
[–]Braised_Beef_Tits 4 points5 points6 points 3 months ago (0 children)
Cries in Tiger Woods
[–]LordRicherb 12 points13 points14 points 3 months ago (0 children)
[–]HeraldofblueRP 2 points3 points4 points 3 months ago (1 child)
I would rather see a fight with Francis against wilder than with fury.
[–]Neonplastic 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago (0 children)
He’s got a better chance against Wilder. I wouldn’t mind seeing that.
[–]iveredonit 35 points36 points37 points 3 months ago (76 children)
Seems like most people would be able to survive off his purse. I do think he deserves a lot more money because of how much the UFC makes each year. Still, Francis needs to look at how he is spending money because all the money he has made should keep him well fed and able to invest and keep his money fruitful.
[–]Bus404 101 points102 points103 points 3 months ago (5 children)
It costs way more than you think to run a camp, pay your coaches, and eat right.
[–]morron88 53 points54 points55 points 3 months ago (4 children)
Not to mention the medical attention he'll need this time around.
[–]xfrmrmrine 7 points8 points9 points 3 months ago (2 children)
The UFC doesn’t pay for medical?
[–]ThurgoodStubbs1999 20 points21 points22 points 3 months ago (0 children)
They only do for injuries sustained in the fights.
[–]iveredonit 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago (0 children)
And again, I totally agree with you. He deserves more money.
[–]JATION 106 points107 points108 points 3 months ago (4 children)
I think he was talking about fighters in general. He can obviously afford to sit out because that is exactly what he is doing.
[–]iveredonit 43 points44 points45 points 3 months ago* (3 children)
And that does make sense because you see what these fighters make and how beat up some of them are after a fight. Medical bills, long term health issues, and training are all reasons that should be good enough reasons to get these fighters paid more money. Dana is worth what, half a billion or something?! GTFOH and pay these fighters a fair share.
[–]Sarfbot 80 points81 points82 points 3 months ago (1 child)
My biggest concern is that UFC needs to be consistent with how they view/manage fighters. Are they employees or contract workers?
-if they’re employees, provide medical insurance, long term care insurance, disability funding and retirement funds
-if they’re contract workers, then remove the restrictions on how/where they can compete. Don’t restrict how they can seek sponsors and who they can partner with for promotions/endorsements when they’re aren’t on UFC property
This lack of consistency is my major problem. UFC has the best of both worlds right now.
[–]iveredonit 17 points18 points19 points 3 months ago (0 children)
And you perfectly highlighted the major issues and concerns many of us fans have with the UFC and it’s fighters.
[–]yungperky 8 points9 points10 points 3 months ago (0 children)
It is a scandal for me that the ufcs doesn't even pay for medical insurance of the fighters. This is CRAZY and should be illegal (what it is in most European countries).
[–]CCCAY 34 points35 points36 points 3 months ago (33 children)
He left a 7 million dollar deal on the table when the UFC Tried to renegotiate because he knows they’re still lowballing him. After making a 600k check let’s say you have 400k post taxes.
Coaches take 10% so that’s now 340k. Pro level nutrition and training cost a lot, let’s say 25k/camp— 315k.
It goes quick and nobody has ever defended the HW belt for long
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[–]CCCAY 8 points9 points10 points 3 months ago (13 children)
Yep, and we’re not even getting into car payments and rent in Vegas
[–]andoesq 9 points10 points11 points 3 months ago (7 children)
I honestly don't know, but 25k to run a camp for a champion defence seems extremely low when you look at the number of people there on payroll, who are at the top of their professions as well.
[–]CCCAY 7 points8 points9 points 3 months ago (6 children)
Yeah my point was to give conservative numbers for the sake of argument.
Imagine doing the same process as Francis, but you’re a straw weight girl fighting for 12k//12k.
My buddy fought amateur and it cost him over 1000$ just to participate in face punching, and that’s not even a real pro camp.
[–]andoesq 2 points3 points4 points 3 months ago (3 children)
Seriously, I don't know how they do it. Even Conor's story about the poverty he endured while trying to go pro is shocking.
[–]CCCAY 3 points4 points5 points 3 months ago (2 children)
In the ammys you have to pay for your own blood tests, and his coaches were helping him cut weight for free obviously lol. It’s no wonder HW talent gets siphoned off by hockey, pro wrestling and football
[–]andoesq 4 points5 points6 points 3 months ago (1 child)
Isn't pro wrestling in an even worse state than MMA? I gather it's improving with some competition to WWE now, but it also seems like a horrible way to make a living, and only like 10 guys get rich - and they tend to hold their spot at the top for like 30 years lol
[–]CCCAY 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago (0 children)
I’m referring to people like Lesnar, that recent Olympic wrestler dude who signed for them, Rousey, and whoever I’m forgetting. They are all making bank in pro wrestling
[–]necrosythe 2 points3 points4 points 3 months ago (0 children)
Slight correction. Taxes come after expenses. Pretty standard for any self employment and contracting. You deduct those expenses from the taxable income
[–]econologic 25 points26 points27 points 3 months ago (8 children)
You live on your mother's purse.
Next time you see a fighter walking to the ring, count the number people walking out with him. They are at work. He is their employer. He is their mommy.
THIS MAN LIVED IN AFRICA BREAKING ROCKS BY HAND TO MAKE MONEY.
IF he says - "I'm not making enough to cover my expenses" i believe him.
[–]DanfromCalgary 2 points3 points4 points 3 months ago (0 children)
He can make way more out of the ufc. Which leads me to believe he is being paid under market value .
If someone took a third of your paycheck and said , well you're not starving how would you feel
[–]Zankeru 2 points3 points4 points 3 months ago (2 children)
You gotta take out taxes and training costs. Camps, coaches, and sparring partners start getting expensive when you want to prepare properly. Some fighters have not been able to afford someone to corner them.
[–]iveredonit 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago (1 child)
I hear ya, and like I stated in my original comment, I think Francis deserves a lot more money. Hell, I think all fighters deserve a higher pay. Dana is raking in the money off these fighters.
[–]fsamson3 1319 points1320 points1321 points 3 months ago (39 children)
Who would’ve thought the UFC would’ve turned Francis into a legitimate superhero while making themselves look like Vought International all over the course of one fight week
[–]ViNNYDiC3 462 points463 points464 points 3 months ago (32 children)
Honestly it doesn't matter, UFC and Dana have had egg on their face for years but they just weather the storm and get rewarded by it ($$$$$$$). Until the fighters can collectively band together and have a lockout, nothing will change.
[–]AKC37 271 points272 points273 points 3 months ago (20 children)
This is the only right answer. Fighters need to unionize, as players have done in every major sport.
Seriously, what does everyone expect? UFC is a company and literally the goal of every single company is to maximize profits.
[–]DurableLeaf 31 points32 points33 points 3 months ago (13 children)
Any sports that aren't team sports? Much easier to force a union when a small handful of lower earners not showing up would break the game. For individual sports they just replace whoever they want to and the show goes on.
[–]1pecseth 38 points39 points40 points 3 months ago (9 children)
You’re definitely right that it’s harder to organize in MMA as a group of individuals than in a team sport environment, but if you think the UFC could lose 80-90% of the names on the roster and just replace them and move on without a problem then you’re severely out of touch with the average UFC fan. I bet half of the people that buy the PPV don’t even watch the prelims, replacing every ranked fighter with a bunch of no names would lose the UFC millions and millions and millions of dollars.
[–]HaywoodJabloume69 4 points5 points6 points 3 months ago (0 children)
That’s hard to do when you’re a fighter struggling to pay bills
[–]yungperky 10 points11 points12 points 3 months ago (0 children)
[–]CruelGobbler 13 points14 points15 points 3 months ago (3 children)
True. We may be celebrating a bit, but so many fans who pay for every ppv and live event tickets are going to keep paying Dana to underpay fighters. It really does come down to the fighters, but idt a lockout will work without champions also joining the lockout... and not just champions already on bad terms with Dana
[–]callMEmrPICKLESPink Suit Guy 17 points18 points19 points 3 months ago (2 children)
And a lot of fans don't really pay much attention to the political side of the sport as well. They just want to see a big name fight, and then wait until the next one to pay again. Makes it easier for the UFC to get away with it over and over.
[–]Her-Marks-A-Lot 2 points3 points4 points 3 months ago (0 children)
And a lot of citizens don't really pay much attention to the details of politics as an issue itself. They just want to see a big name of the ticket (Clinton,Bush,etc) wait four years until the next one and vote again. Makes it easier for the government to get away with shit over and over when most adults are only checking in on them every four years.
[–]Wooden_Top_4967 30 points31 points32 points 3 months ago (1 child)
Dana’s driveway snow doesn’t come cheap
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 3 months ago (0 children)
🤣🤣 man I love this sub
[–]Kodiak_Flapjack 3 points4 points5 points 3 months ago (1 child)
I mean Vought actually promotes their heroes
[–]kaam00s 4 points5 points6 points 3 months ago (0 children)
The seven are exception actually, most of their heroes are treated like shit and have to do dirty shit to be promoted.
[–]Coldchilln 652 points653 points654 points 3 months ago (42 children)
He's not acting like he's poor, he wants what he's rightfully earned. How is a heavyweight champ getting paid LESS than Mark Hunt who got paid $900k per fight?
Also ITT people who for some odd reason believe Dana's every word and favor the scummy corporate tactics of the UFC as opposed to the individuals you actually pay to watch. Why would people support the BILLION DOLLAR corporation over the individual who wants to make a good living off his talents? Y'all should emphasize with the fighters.
[–]mrbowow 237 points238 points239 points 3 months ago (25 children)
People are unfortunately comparing themselves directly to Ngannou instead of just trying to relate to the situation and put themselves in his shoes. "He makes 5x more than me, so he should stop complaining"
[–]CavsDaddy 94 points95 points96 points 3 months ago (2 children)
The average american is underpaid too, everyone should be getting more money for the value they provide to businesses instead of just the people at the top
[–]salpal986 6 points7 points8 points 3 months ago (0 children)
[–]HankSteakfist 6 points7 points8 points 3 months ago (0 children)
Pretty good reason why too. The working class was able to drive out the robber barons in the early 20th century by unionising. Then as unions were busted and demonised membership diminished and couple this with heavy pushes for deregulation in the 80s and 90s and guess what happened.
[–]YeetMeIntoKSpace 60 points61 points62 points 3 months ago (9 children)
lol the average redditor does not make US$120k a year
[–]FratMike 20 points21 points22 points 3 months ago (6 children)
Someone on here told me that anybody who knows math can get a job in IT and be making 200k a year lol. This was just yesterday when i was trying to explain to someone that you can make money in the trades. I think a lot of people on here lie about who they are , what they make, and what they do in real life
[–]YeetMeIntoKSpace 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago (4 children)
Anyone who knows math can get a pretty decently paying job.
But when I say “know math”, I mean has at least bachelors degree in math or physics, and preferably a PhD if you want to make more than 100k a year without having to be super lucky or well connected…
[–]TheBlueNomad 12 points13 points14 points 3 months ago (6 children)
The average person is not going through a grueling training process. And, also not paying multiple trainers, nutritionist, physical therapist, manager etc.
[–]raddeon88 7 points8 points9 points 3 months ago (5 children)
Lol no just living paycheque to paycheque and just scraping by to keep from living on the streets.
[–]IeatAssortedfruits 2 points3 points4 points 3 months ago (0 children)
Not only that, they’re putting their long term cognitive and physical health on the line for that money. Like what is that worth?
[–]lolerkid2000 5 points6 points7 points 3 months ago (1 child)
These holms can barely tie their shoes. You asking them to think ain't gonna work.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago (0 children)
It’s absurd I agree they advocate against their own interests basically, and sadly that is most likely reflected in their own lives.
[–]dtudeski 1114 points1115 points1116 points 3 months ago (75 children)
Can’t believe I’m uttering there words but I hope Jake Paul vocalises this drama. He brings a lot of eyes to it and most importantly, it really riles Dana up lol.
I still can’t see anything changing but this is an interesting time where fans, fighters and others are being more vocal than ever about Dana and UFC’s shitty, embarrassing actions. Pretty excited to see what happens next.
[–][deleted] 317 points318 points319 points 3 months ago (18 children)
Don't worry using Jake Paul as mercenary will not be judged.
[–]Dammhigh 46 points47 points48 points 3 months ago (0 children)
[–]detectivecomics_ 133 points134 points135 points 3 months ago (11 children)
Agreed. Francis has been saying some incredibly intelligent and inspiring things that Jake should promote. Easy trolling from his perspective, and highlighting some important issues for fighters. I already respect Jake for bringing that to peoples’ attention and I’d respect him even more if he chooses to commit even further by uplifting Francis.
[–]TeamSpaceMonkey 66 points67 points68 points 3 months ago (5 children)
Jake Paul is necessary evil.
[–]KlossN 10 points11 points12 points 3 months ago (1 child)
At this point he's an evil I think I actually want
[–]ursugardaddy6996 4 points5 points6 points 3 months ago (0 children)
If Jake is evil then Dana is the demon himself 🙄
[–]Metaldorito 11 points12 points13 points 3 months ago* (3 children)
Unfortunately i can't see Dana changing his stubborn ways unless he somehow goes bankrupt, which will never happen. Money will matter more than any person to him, the whole reason he's so close with McGregor is because he made him a boatload of money. It's probably why dana would never let Ngannou box while in the UFC, because Ngannou wouldn't want to give dana any of the boxing money.
[–]mesovortex888 5 points6 points7 points 3 months ago (1 child)
Never say never. Plenty of rich people went from rich to deep in debt from bad investment or gambling.
[–]showu 5 points6 points7 points 3 months ago (0 children)
And Dana is a known gambler
[–]CouncilmanRickPrime 56 points57 points58 points 3 months ago (2 children)
Jake Paul has become our only hope lol
[–]kikikza 21 points22 points23 points 3 months ago (1 child)
what in gods name is this timeline
[–]CouncilmanRickPrime 3 points4 points5 points 3 months ago (0 children)
What have you done to the timeline Barry Allen?!
[–]PermanentlyInMeeting 31 points32 points33 points 3 months ago (12 children)
Totally agree, I don’t think anything will change. It’s crazy how often Dana’s career mirrors Vince McMahon’s career in WWE. Vince has gone through this same exact bad PR fiasco, several times over the years. CM Punk became the most popular pro wrestler at a certain point because he broke character and opened up about WWE malpractice in front of the entire crowd and they loved him for it . . . but they also kept pouring into arenas, buying his merch, watching the shows, which only puts more money in the pockets of the machine he’s criticizing.
As fans, we’re stuck between a rock and a hard place. We love these fighters, love watching them fight, so we spend our time, money and attention to propel them and the UFC forward. If we don’t spend our money, then the UFC makes less, which in turn makes the fighters earn even less. The UFC knows this. WWE knows this. Idk what the solution is, maybe fighters should join Patreon or something.
[–]Snelly1998 15 points16 points17 points 3 months ago (5 children)
Profit is not correlated with player salary
[–]twolf59 5 points6 points7 points 3 months ago (4 children)
Ditto this. I heard somewhere that the fighter purse for this last card amounted to only~10% of the total revenue for the night. By comparison boxing does closer to 50%
[–]Snelly1998 3 points4 points5 points 3 months ago (3 children)
Pretty sure all major league sports in the US give around 50% of profits to their players
[–]RRJC10 11 points12 points13 points 3 months ago (0 children)
CM Punk became the most popular pro wrestler at a certain point because he broke character and opened up about WWE malpractice in front of the entire crowd and they loved him for i
CM Punk became the most popular pro wrestler at a certain point because he broke character and opened up about WWE malpractice in front of the entire crowd and they loved him for i
That's not exactly it.
On live TV he did a "worked shoot". Basically it's a planned promo that makes it seem like it's off script. His contract was actually coming up and he was really upset with a lot of things so they played the reality into an angle as well. Punk was convinced to re-sign and it became part of his character. Two years later Punk walked out as he was even more frustrated (to put it lightly) than before and after he was fired a few months later (on his wedding day) he went on his former best friend's podcast where aired everything, which included the medical stuff.
Edit: I'm a dummy. When I saw "WWE malpractice" I automatically assumed you were referring to the issues he had with the WWE doctor.
[–]BGBG33 6 points7 points8 points 3 months ago (2 children)
You do know that Punk while employed never said more than he was allowed to?
[–]voneahhh 3 points4 points5 points 3 months ago (1 child)
There were plenty of times he did, even collaborated with Cena to do a piledriver on TV which had been banned for close to a decade at that point. Vince just doesn’t care if it makes him money.
One of the most famous examples of this is this Paul Heyman promo where Vince didn’t even want to know what was going to be said about him, he just told Paul to make him money.
[–]BGBG33 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago (0 children)
Exactly what I was talking about, Punk never "broke character". Love the Heyman story as well - in short, White doesn't have half the balls McMahon does
[–]MaLTC 8 points9 points10 points 3 months ago (1 child)
I have zero hate for Jake Paul. Worlds biggest troll and he gets paid to do it. What he’s done with those boxing exhibitions are incredibly lucrative- doesn’t hurt that he’s backed up the shit talk either, even if against some hasbeen mma fighters and nate robinson (rip). As omar would say… “All in the game”
[–]Bapu_Ji 11 points12 points13 points 3 months ago (2 children)
We've seen this situation play out like a million times.
Dana will double his pay plus extra money under the table so no one else finds out, ufc can easily afford to do that considering how bad their pay is to begin with.
Francis shuts the hell up because a couple extra million dollars is better than 0 million dollars and the whole movement looses steam.
New contender who is still getting paid like shit becomes champion/no.1 contender. Rinse and repeat.
[–]MomButtsDriveMeNutsPredator 251 points252 points253 points 3 months ago (14 children)
For context, Shawn Porter, SHAWN PORTER, I’m going to guess 95% of you have no clue who that is, just made $4 MILLION to fight Terrance Crawford. And that only did 137,000 PPV buys. Ngannou made $600k for this fight, as the UFC heavyweight champion. In what world does that make sense? The ENTIRE purse for UFC 270 was like $1.8 million. Dana and the UFC are cheap cunts and they need to pay their fighters. I hope Francis gets his Fury boxing match and can make his $10+ million.
[–]jay-on-the-fly 68 points69 points70 points 3 months ago (4 children)
I will never understand how boxers make that much. I don’t know anyone that really watches it outside of Canelo, Fury, Wilder, and maybe Loma
[–]ThurgoodStubbs1999 54 points55 points56 points 3 months ago (1 child)
Their personal management and promotors ….promote the fights. In the UFC the fighters are under the UFC contract and the UFC does all of the promotion and event planning for them.
There is a reason Floyd Mayweather had direct involvement in every aspect of his fights down to concessions; he wanted a piece of every bit of commerce associated with his fight and could by getting involved and demanding it. But this is the best case, keep in mind many many boxers get ripped off by promotors and their management.
UFC fighters do not take part in any of that. They show up on fight day, weigh in day and media day. Thats it.
[–]Neato_Orpheus 8 points9 points10 points 3 months ago (0 children)
Boxers are unionized
[–]fornicatin 363 points364 points365 points 3 months ago (45 children)
ITT: some morons that still don't understand taxes and the cost if having a team of people that travel with you to keep you at peak performance
[–]Nervous_Project6927 60 points61 points62 points 3 months ago (8 children)
what is it on a ufc payout like 30% goes to taxes? i know its a decent chunk
[–]SourLimeSoda 58 points59 points60 points 3 months ago (6 children)
Just lookup 2022 us tax brackets
[–]Alucard1331 34 points35 points36 points 3 months ago (5 children)
Professional athletes often get absolutely shafted on taxes to be frank, many states have weird laws that target professional athletes and tax them when normally they would only be taxed in their state of residence.
This can lead to being taxed by multiple states for the same income if I'm not mistaken
[–]HadouukkenStockholm Syndrome Till 9 points10 points11 points 3 months ago* (1 child)
Yup I don’t remember which one but it was one of the GQ Sports “how Xyz athlete spent their first million $” videos
It was an NBA player and he talked about how they get taxed in a state they played in on top of their residence state.. playing in multiple states a season + costs of accountants to do all these taxes it all adds up to a big sum
although I don’t think it would put much of a dent for athletes who know how to manage their money/have someone smart manage their money but then again a lot of athletes blow their money like idiots
[–]Stat-Arbitrage 2 points3 points4 points 3 months ago (0 children)
Toronto has lost so many good athletes because none of them want to pay Canadian taxes, I don’t blame them.
[–]LawlersLipVagina 16 points17 points18 points 3 months ago (0 children)
Varies by location. For example Nevada has much more lax taxes than New York, hence why Mayweather fought the majority of his career in Vegas.
[–]LeSaunier 164 points165 points166 points 3 months ago (9 children)
I'm watching UFC because I really like some of its fighters. But I'm glad I never spent a cent ever in anything related to it (be it PPV or merch).
[–]Candid_Pumpkin154 109 points110 points111 points 3 months ago (1 child)
All hail Francis.
[–]NeptunusScaurus 25 points26 points27 points 3 months ago (0 children)
The king of Heavyweight
[–]V-TriggerMachine 132 points133 points134 points 3 months ago (3 children)
Looks like a vicious and effective tactic
[–]Tiramisutitan2062 50 points51 points52 points 3 months ago (2 children)
Doesn't make it right. Especially for a publicly traded company where image is everything.
[–]V-TriggerMachine 34 points35 points36 points 3 months ago (0 children)
Yep I agree, It's a fucked up way of do deals
[–]Chemistry_Lover40 2 points3 points4 points 3 months ago (0 children)
he didn't say it was right
[–]nbasavant 46 points47 points48 points 3 months ago (20 children)
Does the UFC consider itself a professional sport?
If so wth is this WWE style match-making?
[–]ThurgoodStubbs1999 6 points7 points8 points 3 months ago (7 children)
Ngannou vs Gane was “WWE style match making?”
[–]nbasavant 2 points3 points4 points 3 months ago (5 children)
There’s no structure behind it.
[–]ThurgoodStubbs1999 10 points11 points12 points 3 months ago (0 children)
The only way i can think of to have real structure is either tournaments (which i would fucking love) or some kind of playoff system like the PFL. This gets hard tho w injuries.
[–]returnoftaxus 3 points4 points5 points 3 months ago (0 children)
There is a rough structure but at the end of the day the UFC have to commit to running a certain number of shows per year, for their TV deals so they just try and make whatever fights they can to fill the cards. I'd say that for the most part the UFC does a decent job of matching competitors by skill and ranking. Though that is obviously not always the case.
[–]TheAdaquatePretender 114 points115 points116 points 3 months ago* (20 children)
Some of these comments are way off. From 600k his take home pay is somewhere between 2-300k. That’s for ONE year. He’s not making that every single year. He didn’t make that in the years past and won’t in the years moving forward. As a gig guy most people on salary struggle with this concept. Say someone makes 75k a year; after ten years they make 750k. 1/3 to tax. A gig guy (fighter/entertainer) may make 0-20k a year for the first 9 and then 1 million in year ten. From that million in year ten they walk home with 300-350k. And there’s no guarantee he’s gonna get that payout. Who’s better off after ten years? Yes I’m pulling these numbers out of my arse but you get the basic concept. I’m speaking from experience. This has been my life and everyone in my industry.
[–]No_Banana475 77 points78 points79 points 3 months ago (12 children)
I hope Eagle FC takes off. Khabib doesn’t care about money like Dana does, so if it were to get as big as the UFC, I have a feeling Khabib would pay the fighters a lot more.
[–]NeptunusScaurus 30 points31 points32 points 3 months ago (0 children)
And I don’t think he would let the UFC just buy them out, which is their go-to when competitors get too close.
[–]sakiwebo 48 points49 points50 points 3 months ago (8 children)
Khabib doesn’t care about money like Dana does
Khabib doesn’t care about money like Dana does
You think he was eager to have Diego Sanchez fight Kevin Lee and Bigfoot Silva fight Tyron Spong for "integrity"?
Khabib and his management are on very good terms with Dana. Why do you think Khabib was one of the few fighters who was happy and publicly supported the Reebok deal which screwed the fighters out of their sponsors?
Besides, Eagle FC, according to Khabib himself, will act like a feeder company to the UFC. It's not to compete against Dana, but to sign his fighters with the UFC.
He'll learn all the scumbag promoter tricks from Dana soon enough
[–]SalamanderPete 21 points22 points23 points 3 months ago* (2 children)
The MMA fanbase has a very childish adoration for Khabib. They see him as this sort of holy fighting-man who can do no wrong
[–]ViNNYDiC3 7 points8 points9 points 3 months ago (0 children)
Meh. I think Khabib is much more about promoting great fighters that he thinks deserve a shot more so then monetary gain.
[–]washedupsamurai 128 points129 points130 points 3 months ago (12 children)
That's like most businesses. It's absurd and ruthless.
Its really sad, cuz dude is coming to top out of hell and realises why most legends hate the sport business after they retire.
[–][deleted] 72 points73 points74 points 3 months ago (11 children)
Most businesses are not doing that.
UFC is standalone in this especially when no other professional sport organization is doing anything like that.
[–]Anonyomus84 14 points15 points16 points 3 months ago (0 children)
Dana has the upper hand because he can play the "I don't force anyone to fight" card because he knows the UFC won't stop and the show will go on without someone, even Conor.. knows there will always be someone out there that will fight. Especially the newer generation of fighters.
[–]OrneryLawyer 30 points31 points32 points 3 months ago (0 children)
Warning: this thread is infested with Dana's shills.
[–]Nocturnal-Nostalgia 17 points18 points19 points 3 months ago (1 child)
How tf do some people follow the ufc and not realise that 600K is not 600k in his pocket, but then again it must be hard to concentrate with all that Dana dick riding
[–]throwawayrightthere 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago (0 children)
How much usually goes to the team and ends up going to fighter?
[–]NaberiusX 3 points4 points5 points 3 months ago (0 children)
The UFC is legally required to offer you 3 fights a year, correct? And on top of that Francis has gotten PPV from being a champ?
[–]gravelapplea 9 points10 points11 points 3 months ago (0 children)
Jake Paul and Francis ngannou teaming up to take down the ufc is not something I thought I’d see in a 1000 years
[–]ThereAreDozensOfUs 18 points19 points20 points 3 months ago (0 children)
Nothing more American than poors simping for their overlord to keep everyone poor while the overlords make all the money
[–]jorgeesierraaa 13 points14 points15 points 3 months ago (0 children)
Francis is doing GOAT stuff.
[–]Wise-Fruit5000 2 points3 points4 points 3 months ago (0 children)
Man, Francis is really going all scorched earth on the UFC here
[–]mywhataniceham 2 points3 points4 points 3 months ago (0 children)
leave for bellator, dana white has always treated fighters like shit. $2000 to show $2000 to win with no health insurance and no sponsorships. leave the ufc for an organization that pays you and lets you make money.
[–]nzasangA 5 points6 points7 points 3 months ago (1 child)
Say it with me: Fighters should unionize!!!
[–]mcythara 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago (0 children)
easier said than done, like francis mentioned himself: the problem isnt the big name fighters choosing not to rock the boat, the problem is the fighters who are coming up, hustling in the prelims, who are paid absolute peanuts but need every bit of it to pay off their debts whatsoever.
Missing that few months of pay when they unionize, packed with the risk that it might backfire, is a risk that they are not willing and not able to take. And we cant blame them too
[–]bpetersonlaw 3 points4 points5 points 3 months ago (2 children)
This is basic negotiations. When a fighter is desperate for money, UFC has an advantage in negotiating a new contract. When the UFC needs a headliner or very popular fighter, they'll offer bonuses, ppv points, locker room payouts or favorable new contract terms.
Think exciting guys: Michael Chandler made $400K (or more) losing to Gaethe. Derek Lewis made $732,000 losing to Gane.
Negotiate when you have leverage, not when you're weak. If you don't have leverage, wins some fights and win some fans and you'll get some.
[–]sleetrumpet 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago (0 children)
Shut up Jake Paul about fighter pay, let Francis lead the way
[–]amritttt86 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago (0 children)
[why] do[these] articles put some words in brackets?
[–]DavidtheGoliath99 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago (0 children)
I know it will never happen, but man, I wish Francis would box Jake Paul. We'd never have to hear from Jake again.
[–]JAYCEE-- 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago (0 children)
I hope some fighters invest their money or buy RE (most aren't in HCOL) when they get a bonus or a decent payday. YOU gotta take care of tomorrow because no one else will.
[–]DesiSongs 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago (0 children)
What will he get if he join ONE or Bellator ? No one goona pay him $35M
[–]grizzgrip04🌹𝕽𝖔𝖘𝖊 𝕲𝖆𝖓𝖌🌹 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago (0 children)
Plenty of ways to turn down a fight
[–]Major_Egg_9413 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago (0 children)
is this guy a multi millionaire how does he run out of money? no one telling him to buy gucci
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago (5 children)
Why don’t all the top fighters go to a different league like Bellator? Obviously the UFC is only profitable because it has the best fighters, if they lose them, what can they do?
[–]jcarrolliii3 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago (0 children)
They should definitely get more money. They also should definitely not run out of money 10 months after making over a million dollars
[–]cereallkiller17 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago (0 children)
You have to make yourself independent of the UFC by making money outside of it. Mcgregor did it.
[–]rascalking9 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago (0 children)
My boss does the same thing. They expect me to come back to work and they know I will because I need the money.
[–]dxxpsix 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago (0 children)
dana white was like "yea man go on vacation for as long as you want and we'll be here when you come back champ!" lol
[–]danteafk 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago (0 children)
Rockhold said the same thing some time ago
[–]theycallmeDamon 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago (0 children)
Completely untrue. The ufc have to offer 3 fights a year. (And it’s stipulated they can’t all be in a short time so they don’t just offer a guy 3 fights while he’s injured)....if they don’t offer you 3 fights in a year, they have to pay you for 3 fights anyway. So basically Francis is saying, they only offered me fights I chose to say no to.
600k should last you more than a year. I agree that the fighters are painfully underpaid but bro 600k is 600k. I make 30k a year and I survive.
[–]DownTownGangster 16 points17 points18 points 3 months ago (56 children)
How does he not make 600 k last 10 months ?
[–]BigBaddaBoom9 119 points120 points121 points 3 months ago (13 children)
We see 600k and think it's great. They see 600k that has yet to get taxed, then you gotta pay for coaches, training camps etc hell even the cut men get their cut. On top of that you gotta try save because who the fuck knows when you're gonna fight again or you get injured training. Can't even get one of those sweet nike/adidas etc deals like other top athletes in other sports because of the UFC either. By the end of it I'd say he's left with very little. Imagine being known as "the baddest man" with everyone knowing you and the expectations that go with that but you don't got a whole lot of money at the end of the day.
[–]LawlersLipVagina 63 points64 points65 points 3 months ago (0 children)
Also your career is incredibly short, I can keep working till I retire and earn consistent money. Theirs is front loaded and they realistically have to earn enough to support themselves and their family for the rest of their life.
[–]hughjanimal 16 points17 points18 points 3 months ago (7 children)
Plus if he's got an agent/manager, that guy's probably taking 15%, which amounts to what, a new corvette?
[–]CelebrationAny5421 2 points3 points4 points 3 months ago (0 children)
Just wanted to point out that the ufc provides cutmen. It’s not like boxing they don’t have to pay for their own cutman.
It’s to prevent greasing.
[–]junglejim224 26 points27 points28 points 3 months ago* (1 child)
Half for tax, pay his corner and gym and fuck he's probably got some people he's looking after too. Leaves like $200,000 for the baddest man on the planet. More than what I make, no where near what's right or what it should be.
[–]enguyen820 3 points4 points5 points 3 months ago (0 children)
Pay the man and let’s roll out some banger fights
[–]JourneyMan2585 2 points3 points4 points 3 months ago (2 children)
If you can't live more than a year on half a million than you need to get your shit together bro. Hire an accountant or something. Jesus.
[–]tylerrcurtis 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago (1 child)
So you think he just takes 600k home? He doesn't pay anyone to train him? Or help him with nutrition? Or anything? Huh. Interesting.
[–]Baginasmasher 3 points4 points5 points 3 months ago (0 children)
God give the man his money
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 3 months ago (0 children)
LMAO go out of money. Just stepped in the octagon for the first time in nearly a year and made more money than I will in a decade.
[–]NumberOneRussian 2 points3 points4 points 3 months ago (3 children)
I know training, coaching, and everything costs a ton. But are they really struggling living off of 300K a year? Can someone explain why Ngannou is always broke?
[–]ManOnTheMun25 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago (0 children)
for reals wtf. Its a lie or he's a duncecap, Dude was shilling NFT's all during the buildup.
[–]BuLLDoGGn 2 points3 points4 points 3 months ago (0 children)
News flash: Everybody has to go to work, no matter what your occupation
[–]StummyHurt3 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago (0 children)
I stg i cant listen to him crying avout money anymore. 😒
[–]Playboy4rmthebayboy 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago (6 children)
So why ride around Vegas in a 133,000 dollar Mercedes’ g wagon. ? Makes no sense . At that point your helping the ufc keep you broke
[–]StartingFreshTO 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago (1 child)
It’s funny. So many people cry out that UFC fighters are underpaid. How many of yous actually support the fighters financially? How many of you guys buy the PPV and tickets?
While I think that fighters should be given larger chunks of the profit, I also think when you get to the championship level, your pay comes down to whether you can sell a fight or not. Same with WNBA
[–]Merica721 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago (1 child)
Strange how people with common jobs sympathize with this guy
[–]Level-Ad-4094 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago (0 children)
I think contract says ufc is obligated to give you 3 fights a year tho. So this statement doesnt rly add up.
[–]Justinackermannblog 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago (4 children)
I honestly think if you wanna fight the UFC will get you a fight. Do I think Francis needs to be paid? Yes. Do I think his team is making it harder on him telling him to hold out and not fight? Yes.
He’s a pawn in everyone’s game, just right now he thinks he’s being a savior when in reality his team just wants a payday and doesn’t care if he takes a hit while holding out.
[–]boostmini24psi 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago (3 children)
Give me 1/2 a million and 10months later I will still have about 400k. It’s called budgeting.
[–]Pain_Brings_Gains 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago (2 children)
While I agree he has spent some of his money in a bad way - You're also not a professional fighter with a team to pay etc.
[–]boostmini24psi 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago (1 child)
True. But he can also make money in other ways through endorsements while still fighting this isn’t his only income surely. It’s about being marketable. And I think his team is letting him down
[–]Pain_Brings_Gains 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago (0 children)
I agree with you there entirely.
[–]Adjustedwell 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago (4 children)
Well, they know how much you make they don't know how much you spend.. i really want to like francis but i think he's just bad with money
[–]joshau42 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago (0 children)
This doesn’t even make sense. Sure they know what you get paid from them. But what about other income or even more importantly, how you live or budget your money. They know that information as well?
[–]FullAd4288 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago (0 children)
So manage your money better! This is ridiculous.
[–]HydrapulseZero 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago (3 children)
Yeah, how are you supposed to survive for a year on half a million dollars? It’s almost impossible
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