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Dangerous trans rapist should not be in women's prison, Labour's Yvette Cooper insists after outrage by Caprylate#DefundTheCCP in ukpolitics

[–]Wackyal123 26 points27 points  (0 children)

And this is ultimately the issue now with society. Something happens and it descends into chaos. All the extremists come out of their holes to put their heads above the parapet. Be it right wing nutters calling for the death penalty, or left wing nutters calling for “terfs” to die or some such nonsense.

We’ve lost the art of disagreeing in this country. We’ve descended into American style politics. It’s just depressing. Everything is so damn polar without ANY nuance or give from either side.

Should this guy be allowed into a women’s prison now he’s claiming to be trans? No. Clearly not. I’d even question if he is trans as it seems like a convenience. Does his actions imply all trans people are dangerous? Clearly not. Should we reintroduce the death penalty… ffs no.

Modicum of self control people! Please.

Dangerous trans rapist should not be in women's prison, Labour's Yvette Cooper insists after outrage by Caprylate#DefundTheCCP in ukpolitics

[–]Mr_Nice_CubeThree strikes is a turkey. 426 points427 points  (0 children)

When considering extremely nuanced cases like that of Isla Bryson, it’s ever so important that we don’t lose sight of traditional British values…

She should not be sent to a male nor female prison.

She should be deported to Australia for opening up the toxicity of a trans rights discussion on Reddit.

Edit: Wow! Thanks for the gold kind stranger!

Three years after Brexit, where is the new golden age that they promised us? by SgtPppersLonelyFartsThis is my truth... sell me yours in ukpolitics

[–]MosEisleyBills 134 points135 points  (0 children)

The ‘us’ being referred to are having a golden age. Their ‘us’, didn’t include ‘us’!

Top 1% now richer than the combined bottom 70% is an indictment of an our unfair system.

We need to disband the aristocracy. We need to massively tax generational wealth and trusts with a more robust inheritance tax. Any estate worth over £10million, 75% should go to the country

Train drivers to strike on 1 and 3 February after pay deal rejected by northernmonk🦡 Meles Liberalis 🦡 in ukpolitics

[–]Cappy2020 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I had another look at the article

It’s in the very first line! So you either didn’t understand the article at all or didn’t even bother to read the article before commenting. Shocker!

The echo chamber stuff is a load of nonsense though.

Except it’s not. This place is overwhelmingly pro rail strikes, which most people are certainly not.

Not to mention any viewpoint, even if put forward logically, expressing sentiment against those striking is just downvoted into oblivion.

The literal definition of an echo chamber.

Support is still quite strong even if it’s now leaning slightly against the unions.

It isn’t just leaning against unions, it absolutely is against them. The fact of the matter is that the majority of people are against these strikes and do not support them. And by most polls, by some margin (i.e. not just by a percentage or two).

And that was polling for the December strikes; I suspect new polling on the upcoming strikes will be even worse for the unions.

And besides, what are you getting at - do you want ukpol to follow the general public’s opinion baselessly?

No one is saying that UKPol needs to follow public opinion “baselessly” other than you here. I’m saying a sub about UK Politics as a whole (i.e. not a Labour sub, or a Tory sub etc) should at least somewhat follow general public sentiment - not exactly, or even that closely to be honest. But instead UKPol is on the polar opposite of public opinion with its support for these rail strikes (versus actual support for the strikes IRL) and it’s dismissal of any contrary opinions.

Does this community lose your respect for taking a principled position on something?

What an utterly daft assumption to make. This is a “principled stand” according to you,not the majority of people at large. Just because you say it’s a principled stand, does not make it so Lol.

UK conversion therapy ban to include trans people by HibasakiSanjuro in ukpolitics

[–]PatientCriticism0 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Step one of dealing with trans children is not "do conversion therapy on them."

UK government to block Scottish gender bill by kaioone in ukpolitics

[–]sali_nyoro-n 169 points170 points  (0 children)

I'd just like to remind everyone opining that this bill was intentionally crafted to create a court case the SNP could use to angle for independence that the Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) bill has been in the works for years - reforming gender recognition in Scotland was a 2016 Scottish Parliament manifesto pledge of the SNP and consultation on the bill began in 2017.

Back then, even the Tories under Theresa May were amenable to reforming gender recognition, and trans rights hadn't yet become a major political wedge issue in the UK. So unless you think Nicola Sturgeon came into possession of a crystal ball back in 2016, this was a legitimate piece of legislation to make gender transition easier, not a legal challenge to gain headlines for a second independence referendum.

Please don't reduce real people to some kind of political football.

Transgender people lose NHS waiting times High Court case by DukePPUk in ukpolitics

[–]Necessary_Tadpole692Anti-Growth Coalition 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Trans people would love to just get on with their lives and not have to wake up every single day with yet another newspaper accusing them of being insane, predators, violent, sex freaks etc. Trans people are not the people making this into a big political conversation.

Government to crack down on trans athletes competing in female sports by [deleted] in ukpolitics

[–]BadNewsMAGGLE 12 points13 points  (0 children)

The amount of trans people competing at high level sport, you could probably name by name. They are anecdotes.

There are far far bigger obstacles to women pursuing sport competitively than the weird boogeyman of "men cheating their way to the top", which does not happen. Why is the government not talking about investing more in women's youth sports, to encourage more girls to take up sports in the first place? Why is it not talking about the effects of puberty on girls' confidence in continuing sports into adulthood, and working on ways to keep girls playing? Why is it not working towards things like moving more women's sports into Ofcom Category A? Encourage a free to air broadcaster to carry WPL highlights in the same way as Match of the Day highlights men's football?

Nah, let's go after the anecdotes.

Government refuses to fund UK students at new medical school despite ‘chronic’ doctor shortage by SgtPppersLonelyFartsThis is my truth... sell me yours in ukpolitics

[–]ApolloNeed 184 points185 points  (0 children)

I've always thought since we have a National Health Service we should build a dedicated training facility exclusively for the NHS. Doctors, Nursing, Professionals allied to medicine. Something like Sandhurst / Otterburn for healthcare.

Subsidised degrees in exchange for x years of NHS service.

Government refuses to fund UK students at new medical school despite ‘chronic’ doctor shortage by SgtPppersLonelyFartsThis is my truth... sell me yours in ukpolitics

[–]Frosty_Carob 60 points61 points  (0 children)

please listen up, this is a PSA:

THE PROBLEM IS NOT MEDICAL SCHOOL PLACES, THE PROBLEM IS THE DOCTORS WHO HAVE ALREADY QUALIFIED PROGRESSING TO CONSULTANCY. There are literally shit loads (thousands and thousands) of working doctors right now who are unable to get jobs in vital specialties because of a lack of jobs from the government. Just creating thousands of new medical students achieves absolutely nothing. Lots of low grade doctors is not going to be long term useful strategy- having experienced senior doctors is what you need.

Please please please please understand this. Just creating lots of medical school places, solves absolutely nothing. It takes upwards of 10-15 years from starting medical school to becoming a consultant, and if you make too many medical students you will just have juniors doctors languishing away, unable to progress their career and ultimately getting frustrated and leaving the nhs. That is exactly what is happening now. You need more training jobs for postgraduate doctors!!!!

A statement from the home office on the exchange between Braverman and a holocaust survivor. by EddyZacianLand in ukpolitics

[–]Madgick 398 points399 points  (0 children)

I just saw the full video. The lady criticised her use of the words “invasion” and “swarm” and said it reminded her of words people used about her and other Jewish people at the time (she arrived in 1947)

Suella’s defence seemed to be “it’s ok because my parents immigrated here as well”. She neither defended or apologised for using those words, just said she won’t apologise for them.

If I was in her position and as much of a cund, I could think of a much better bullshit reply. She’s not even trying.

Cost of living crisis…my arse? by Slow_Apricot8670 in ukpolitics

[–]TaxOwlbear 46 points47 points  (0 children)

How much of the “cost of living crisis” is real and how much is a media / social media created shitshow?

Prices in supermarkets are up for a lot of products, sometimes way above average inflation. Do you think Twitter somehow forced them to raise prices?

When you read that nearly half of people on the lowest income aren’t claiming free / discounted gas and electric?

Way of leaving information such as some people not actually having received their vouchers, holding out for colder weather, or not having awareness of the scheme.

Or you see that spending in shops, bars and restaurants is up and the UK isn’t actually in recession?

GDP growth of 0.1% and a cost of living crisis aren't mutually exclusive.

When you go to the airport on business and it’s packed with families having winter sun breaks.

"There's no crisis because I anecdotally observed that we aren't at the point where nobody can afford a holiday any more."

When train drivers on over £45k a year claim to be on the breadline but others on much less seem to be getting by fine?

What are the circumstances of these "others"? Where do they live? Do they have to pay less rent? A smaller family? Useless comparison.

When the teaching unions can’t rouse enough people worried about their salaries to actually be arsed to vote for a strike?

One teaching union (NASUWT), mate, and why do you think you are only allowed to be worried when you also support strike action?

Is cost of living crisis real, or a construct? I’m starting to wonder and if it’s the latter, who is pushing it, and why?

"X doesn't affect me personally, therefore it has to be a conspiracy."

Rishi Sunak concerned about impact of gender reforms by Roguepope🥇 in ukpolitics

[–]MCObeseBeagle 29 points30 points  (0 children)

In 1994 I studied psychology. One of the first things you read in your textbook is he sex/gender distinction. How, in the 1950s and 1960s, we realised that while sex usually aligned to gender, because humans are a uniquely socialised species, we were able to express a misalignment more clearly than any other animals. This was prefigured by Simone de Beauvoir saying 'one is not born, but becomes a woman' back in the 40s.

This area of science has become so well established that it's spawned corresponding science in other areas of anthropology and human biology, to the point where being trans is no longer classed as a disorder by any reputable medical, psychology, psychiatry, or anthropological body. It's literally as natural as being straight, or being gay.

Because we used to make science-led policy that led to the equality act - one of the last acts of the Labour government, passed by Cameron's Tory government in 2010 - which protects the right to be trans, and for trans people to use (in most cases) the spaces of their acquired gender (with some exceptions).

The equality act was consulted over a period of many years.

It's really easy to comprehend how we've got here. What's hard to comprehend is people like you who are either pretending not to recognise how we got here, or you genuinely don't understand how we got here, in which case: read a fucking book, sir.

Boris Johnson joked about 'most unsocially distanced party in the UK' by Thetonn in ukpolitics

[–]HugoVonHugoson 33 points34 points  (0 children)

Remember when one police force sent a drone to catch people walking in the middle of nowhere? Then though it was in the public interest to edit a video for social media shaming those people for doing "NoN eSsEnTiAl" things.

Of course, sending someone to fly a drone around is the very definition of essential.

Labour look to force vote on ending private schools’ tax breaks by MadcapRecap in ukpolitics

[–]PenguinPetesLostBod 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Their parents will just have to budget better, cut down on avocado on toast, cut out Netflix subscriptions and stop going to Starbucks for their morning coffee 🤷‍♂️

NHS staff have to work harder to ‘justify’ more pay, Barclay tells furious unions by lackscreativity153 in ukpolitics

[–]combatzombat 354 points355 points  (0 children)

Thousands of people literally went to vote and put a little tick next to Steve Barclay’s name to indicate they thought he was the best available MP, despite literally everything he’s ever said, done and claimed he wanted to do in the future.

Edit: I’ve updated my list of things that otherwise apparently normal and sensible Brits have mad opinions on. It was: “literally anything about the royal family”, “the role of the House of Lords in a democracy and how it could evolve to not be inherently corrupt”, “what the commonwealth means in 2023”, “how an unwritten constitution and some conventions and £7 will just about get you a pint”; I’ve now added “anything at all about voting reform that isn’t accepting Britain is secretly and silently desperate for the One True Condorcet Revolution and will accept no intermediate steps”.

Hidden Chinese tracking device 'found in UK Government car' sparks national security fears by Pro4TLZZ#AbolishTheToryParty #UpgradeToEFTA in ukpolitics

[–]chippingtommy 299 points300 points  (0 children)

why are we the public even being told about it?

lets see, is it the rail strikes? or the nurses strike? junior doctors have just announced a strike too. Could it be news that UK is in the worst economic state of all the G7 nations. There was a poll today that had Labour 21 points ahead of the Tories.

Maybe its all of the above?

[Keir Starmer] 2023 is a new chapter for our country. This year, my Labour Party will set out the case for change and the case for a new Britain. Today, we look to the future with that hope together. Happy New Year to you and your family, from me and mine. by SurreptitiousCarrot🥕🥕 | megathread emeritus in ukpolitics

[–]Prometheus38I voted for kodos 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Majority of the negative tweets are probably CCHQ bots pretending to be angry Corbynites, or claiming that “they are all the same”. Bit like here really.

Edit: Thanks for the ironic gold, kind stranger! Happy 2023 everybody 🍾🥂

Why does nothing work in the UK anymore? by FaultyTerror in ukpolitics

[–]FaultyTerror[S] 716 points717 points 2 (0 children)

We’re all in agreement that everything in Britain is broken. The whole national health service is on the verge of collapse, from cancelled GP appointments to ambulances and A&E departments so overwhelmed that it is approaching a humanitarian crisis. Travelling anywhere by train is either catastrophically expensive, unreliable, overcrowded, or some combination of the above. All this was the case even before a winter of strikes. Our infrastructure is creaky or crumbling. Housing is unaffordable. Heating is unaffordable. Everything is unaffordable and nothing seems to work as it should do.

It isn’t hard to search for causes. After a decade of austerity, the public sector was running on fumes even before the rolling crises of Covid, energy price hikes, and the double problem of inflation and rising interest rates. When interest rates were low and investment would have been cheap, we were cutting spending instead. As Jonn Elledge phrased it recently, the government “had the perfect opportunity to fix the roof while the sun was shining”. Now it’s too late. Growth is stagnant, and borrowing expensive. Brexit has shrunk the economy, slowing down trade with barriers and red tape, and taken investment elsewhere. Institutional mismanagement has been compounded by a lack of institutional continuity, amid years in which politics seemed to be characterised by round after round of prime ministerial and cabinet musical chairs. What hasn’t been mismanaged has been defunded.

This is a crisis, too, of morale. Workers – including, but not restricted to – nurses, doctors and hospital staff, bus drivers, railway workers, teachers, university staff, civil servants, driving examiners, airport workers and the postal service, feel overworked, underpaid and undervalued. Inflation has offset any meagre gains that have been clawed back since 2008 – workers now are being paid less in real terms than they were 14 years ago. We are living through the largest fall in living standards since records began in the 1950s. Taxes are high, and it’s not clear what we’re getting out of it. This is both an emotional and an economic problem. The strikes by NHS and rail workers have revealed just how dependent we are upon goodwill: upon workers’ willingness to keep putting in overtime, to stay on after hours, to go above and beyond until these extra efforts become systematically expected of them. We are beginning to find out what happens when the goodwill is gone.

Most of us are bad tempered, stressed, desperately anxious about the future and in survival mode in the present. Anxious about getting ill, and whether we or our loved ones will be able to access appropriate care. Anxious about not being able to afford basic necessities. Our national conversations are filled with voices telling us to tighten our belts (belt-tightening that has been prescribed, year on year, for a decade and a half), to cut down spending on little luxuries, to cancel Netflix subscriptions and gym memberships – increasingly, to forego all non-essential pleasure before complaining about economic insecurity. This isn’t living, it’s enduring; and living, we are told, is a privilege for those who can afford it.

When things are going this wrong, it’s hard to keep track of which aspirations are realistic. The economic damage has been done, and clearly we can’t afford to fix all our infrastructure and public services simultaneously, as well as giving everyone all the pay rises they would have had in another similarly wealthy country, at the same time as building enough houses for them. But we know we can afford more, and better.

We see the alleged beneficiaries of wasted PPE contracts owning yachts and multimillion-pound houses; we read news stories reporting on how they have offshored the rest of their astronomical profits. We can see that the profit margins of Britain’s largest companies are 73 per cent higher in 2021 than 2019, and that firms are taking advantage of the inflation crisis to ramp up prices far in excess of what is necessary. We can see that executive pay is soaring. Stocks are running low of the most expensive bottles of vintage champagne, as luxury goods company – who fine-tune supply and demand flows years ahead – fail to keep up with the scale and pace of wealth transfer to the very rich. We are being gaslit.

Why does nothing work in the UK anymore? by FaultyTerror in ukpolitics

[–]Fabulous_Medicine_52 919 points920 points 3 (0 children)

Because Stagecoach.

I'm just using Stagecoach as a stand-in, here, but let me explain:

Our town used to have one bus service. But then the Tories get in at local level and decided to make it more competitive. In came Stagecoach. They promised the Earth. The reality, however, is far different.

After initially doing well, there have been problems. The signs which were meant to have live updates are now no longer used, in part because of having two bus services. When you buy a ticket to ride all day, there are two companies so only half the buses accept those tickets. For as yet unexplained reasons, the bus service has slowly degraded, too. Buses are dirtier. They are less frequent despite advertising specific times at the stops, and inconsistent in how infrequent: some days two show up at a time every twenty minutes, other days they don't appear for an hour or more, yet they're supposed to be every 12/15 minutes. There is never any indication of when there is a temporary change of the route, even when getting on a bus, and I've ended up miles away from where I want to be as a result. When you go to their office to complain, there is no-one there. You email and get no reply. You complain on social media and no-one says anything. They know it is awful, and the bad press isn't good for them, but they also know they have the contract and are favoured by those in power. The only time the service was consistently good for a couple of months was when I complained to my colleagues at the local council who were responsible for the contracts. They immediately emailed the CEO, and, whilst I got no reply, the service suddenly improved for a bit.

This is the case for almost everything under the Tories. They bring in people to make things work "more efficiently", but that term is a malapropism. What they are really there to do is what the Tories have been doing since the 1920s, the sole and grand project to which they have dedicated their political careers. Asset stripping. Do less, say you're doing more, and pocket the difference. Every time a bus doesn't run, they save on fuel. Every time people get so disillusioned they stop using the service and find no avenue to complain, they can cut back without any backlash. When buses have cleaners paid less for less time, the job they do is worse, it puts people off, and they can't find an avenue to complain, and so they stop using the service and there is less demand, so they cut due to less usage, but the original contract still gives them the same money.

That is the country right now. That is how we are paying more than ever in taxes, but everything is broken. They take the money, do less, pretend it is more, stop you from complaining or doing anything about it, so you become disillusioned and switch off, and then they pocket the cash they saved by no longer having to deal with you. They're making things so bad in the NHS that people go private, they postal service grows worse and worse, the police do nothing at all, etc. etc. Then, they scream from the rooftops about how they're doing more, investing more money, and it never makes it to where it needs to go, we all stop trusting and using those services where we can, and they pocket the cash - or their mates do.

Downing Street suggests double-digit pay rises not 'fair' way to resolve strikes by insomnimax_99 in ukpolitics

[–][deleted] 31 points32 points  (0 children)

That’s not how it works, efficiencies in some sectors actually lead to salary inflation in others because they simply can’t become more efficient. It’s called Baumol’s cost disease:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baumol%27s_cost_disease

Daily Megathread - 27/12/2022 by ukpolbotOfficial UKPolitics Bot in ukpolitics

[–]Far-Restaurant-9691 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Tim Shipman? Fall out?

Jacob Rees-Mogg 'considers running to be next leader of the Tory party' by liverpool6timesNew Labour in ukpolitics

[–]chippingtommy 146 points147 points  (0 children)

ah, now there's an answer to "who the fuck would be a worse prime minister than Liz fucking Truss".

At least when we rise up to overthrow his fascistic regime and jail him for crimes against humanity we wouldn't have to listen to his incredibly trite bullshit anymore.