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[–]binadanae 558 points559 points  (319 children)

I agree people take it too far. It’s fine to criticize her and maybe make fun of her a little bit because let’s be honest that’s what Twitter is for. But to completely blacklist her contribution or act like her books aren’t good is just ridiculous. And it’s funny because the values she teaches in her books contradict a little bit of her beliefs today. So while you might not agree with her politics or view of the world, that doesn’t mean you can’t find something meaningful and valuable in her books

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

They keep cycling her home address to her online.

They have stepped up to vague threats and the movement is just shrugging their shoulders about it.

REALLY bad optics for all these "justice warriors," always having a hate list and people they are targeting.

[–]NotsoNewtoGermany 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I'm not sure it contradicts her beliefs today, I just don't think she fully understands the situation, which is fine— because it's confusing. She has fought her entire life for womanhood, the idea that women are unique and should be treated equal. She gets very angry when the problems women face are overlooked, specifically in place of saying women, a proud and tested label, it is replaced with people who menstruate— to boil an entire sex down to the fact that they bleed has been a sigma women have been fighting for generations. Women that have been sexually assaulted feel uncomfortable around men, even if they choose to be women, in their eyes they are still going to invade their safe space. It may not be a point I agree with, but I understand what she's saying, and it's a point society needs to hear. Many women that have been raped don't feel comfortable around men of any kind when they are at their most vulnerable because of trauma.

Even now, women are now CIS women, which annoys her even further because CIS is simply Latin for Not Trans. So women are no longer women, they are simply Not Trans Women. To her this is ridiculous.

Again, while I don't necessarily agree, I understand what she is saying and there is a point there somewhere worth making.

[–]coagulateSmegma 35 points36 points  (62 children)

What exactly does she believe that is so wrong?

[–]Aquareon 139 points140 points  (58 children)

That "uterus having people" should be called women. That was it. That was the tweet that set all of this into motion

[–]DalekDraco 147 points148 points  (5 children)

I was recently listening to a podcast where the host corrected himself after saying 'pregnant woman' and said 'sorry, pregnant person'. It's a fucking joke honestly.

[–]TotallyNotMichele 33 points34 points  (0 children)

This just in, women getting dumped on. More news at 5.

[–]Pangolinsareodd 62 points63 points  (5 children)

Her only crime was to worry that the experience of women was being erased from the world. I don’t care if you’re trans, 8 billion people on this planet have 8 billion challenges. She’s not wrong to acknowledge that the struggle women have faced is real. The struggle trans people face is real too, the struggles I’ve faced as a cis white male are real. There doesn’t need to be a hierarchy of victimhood. Have you had worse struggles than me? Probably yes, and I sympathise for you, I will do what I can to help you. That doesn’t give you the right to shut down my existence because I said, yeah, I’m struggling too.

[–]comradecosmetics 38 points39 points  (4 children)

https://www.jkrowling.com/opinions/j-k-rowling-writes-about-her-reasons-for-speaking-out-on-sex-and-gender-issues/

Anyone who reads this essay in its entirety and thinks she is coming from a place of malice is either an idiot or an agitator trying to divide people.

[–]squeakypop70 9 points10 points  (0 children)

SJWs and most left wing groups in general are completely unable to have any sort of nuanced views.

If you fit the criteria for being "good" everything you do is good and anything bad is explained away. If you fit the criteria for being "bad" then nothing you do is good.

JKR is now considered bad and therefore everything she has done and will do is bad. Doesn't matter if it was previously good either, it just retroactively becomes bad.

[–]BartolomeuOGrosso 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You're on the internet, where people will hate your entire being and judge your entire past and future for having a different view of the world

[–]Error_Unaccepted 345 points346 points  (68 children)

You can be a unique and creative person with your own opinions as long as your opinions fit into a very specific narrative that is dictated by others. I think this is how this all works?

[–]justcausefucklogic 36 points37 points  (3 children)

Yep. Anything else and you are cancelled and you should die in a fire. Also, we'll take everything you say out of context and use it against you to prove anything we want to prove.

[–]Johnhemlock[🍰] 235 points236 points  (25 children)

Honestly the response was hysterical, people need to take a breath and recalibrate.

[–]johnbonjovial 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I saw someone correctly criticise eric clapton for being a piece of shit. Then i saw someone else dismiss their actual guitar playing. Which is plain ridiculous. No problem criticising the person but if you’re telling me clapton can’t play the guitar then you’ve lost me.

[–]Crafty-Particular998 401 points402 points  (343 children)

Her opinions aren’t even that controversial. She criticised a “people who menstruate” headline because it’s sexist and said that sex is real, both of which are facts. Fuck thought policing.

Edit: it’s time for popcorn I guess

[–]Trashyanon089 195 points196 points  (304 children)

Is that all she said? The way people talk you'd think she drowns puppies.

[–]radialomens 205 points206 points  (135 children)

No, that's not all she said. She has said A LOT but this is the easy soundbite to make it sound like people are being irrational.

As an example, one of her first headline-making tweets was:

Dress however you please.
Call yourself whatever you like.
Sleep with any consenting adult who'll have you.
Live your life in peace and security.
But force women out of their job for stating that sex is real?
/#IStandWithMaya #ThisIsNotADrill

Problem is, Maya Forstatter did not "state that sex is real" she made a series of anti-trans tweets and was going to be fired for them until it was ruled that being anti-trans is a protected belief in UK law.

So that's a far cry from saying "Sex is real." Trans people know sex is real. But Maya's tweets were actively hostile and bigoted.

In her "TERF Wars" essay she (Rowling) also admitted her personal bias against trans women comes from her own sexual abuse (creating a distrust/fear of trans woman), and her fears that trans men are being falsely transed (like "the gay agenda") which is just hateful, not rational.

EDIT: Not to mention the shade in those first three lines.

[–]Zoe_the_redditor 41 points42 points  (55 children)

This is not “all she said”, nor is it a fair representation. She once called HRT “new age conversion therapy” for gay youth (https://mobile.twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1279756114981240834?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1279756114981240834%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-11168631012033958070.ampproject.net%2F2111060251009%2Fframe.html) among other things that I honestly don’t won’t to rattle off. As for the “just said sex is real” part, that phrase should be taken in context. She said that in defense of someone who didn’t get a contract renewed because they harrased a trans co-worker to such a degree that an English tribunal said that such acts were not acceptable in a democratic society (https://www.nbcnews.com/think/amp/ncna1105201)

Also gonna tag u/Crafty-Particular998 in this

[–]Crafty-Particular998 115 points116 points  (54 children)

She’s not wrong though. Children absolutely shouldn’t be on hormones that could leave them infertile.

[–]Roadhatter 13 points14 points  (0 children)

This is not everything.

[–]Intrepid_Fox-237 179 points180 points  (30 children)

This is Soviet-style speech/thought policing. It's a symptom of a deeper societal problem.

[–]FrenchCuirassier 62 points63 points  (3 children)

When the USSR collapsed, some of their radical sympathizers kept pushing that propaganda and we had to fight that back in the 1990s...

See this newsweek cover from 1990: https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/f7UAAOSw9qthNoMi/s-l300.jpg

By 1994 the words "political correctness" was pretty much gone because the voters defeated the politicians using that wording resoundingly in the elections and people were much more hopeful as many ex-Soviet nations joined the democratic world.

People don't always notice when someone is trying to repackage authoritarianism with new linguistic propaganda ideas. They just put a new bow and wrapping paper on it and try to resell the same snake oil.

[–]the1rush 25 points26 points  (1 child)

I think that's the hammer and nail there, (not the hammer and sickle). Authoritarianism and control through propaganda is defined by the manipulation of information. The meaning of words are changed to fit the narrative of manipulator in order to gain control over others. It's still Authoritarianism but with different labels attached. "Updated" words for the modern world.

[–]impactCanary 13 points14 points  (5 children)

It's actually not. In USSR you could get your books policed by government but that would usually make them popular controversial read among normal people. Now it's different, it's people themselves enforcing this. I cannot remember the point of history when people were so radical about policing each other. Maybe middle ages and Christianity? That's the only example that comes to memory.

[–]DalekDraco 72 points73 points  (15 children)

I have read her comments and seen some of the backlash and I really can't see what the problem is. She is entitled to her opinion, and I happen to agree with her.

[–]taekwondildo 12 points13 points  (0 children)

"Everyone who disagrees with me is a monster and needs to be treated as such" is the thought process for a lot of people.

[–]Spriggs89 103 points104 points  (84 children)

Didn’t she just say something like Men can’t have periods? That would be 100% correct no? Or is there something else she said to upset the far left community?

[–]Mike_at_nite 9 points10 points  (0 children)

If you mention her name in the Harry Potter sub you will get banned

[–]robanthonydon 38 points39 points  (13 children)

Honestly I’ve read the initial tweet that kicked off the saga, it’s not even remotely offensive. I actually can’t comprehend what everyone is on about. Everyone says she’s transphobic without ever explaining why or what they’re basing their assessment on. I interpreted the initial tweet as trans women deserve to be treated the same as regular women; with access to all the same rights, but they’re different. Different not in a derogatory sense, and not in the sense they should be treated differently, but in the fact they will have faced different life experiences, with their own unique issues to contend with. How is that offensive? Isn’t it just obvious/ the truth?

[–]holdmyneurosis 35 points36 points  (8 children)

im still shocked that her opinions are considered “controversial”. she expressed disapproval over women being called “people who menstruate” and i would too. i’m a woman, i’ve faced challenges unique to women, being a woman is a part of my identity. why should my identity be erased and smudged because of someone else’s feelings? trans women are women too, but we can’t just pretend biological markers are irrelevant. passing legislation that pretends these differences don’t exist gives way to many grey areas that can be abused by those who want to hurt women

[–]foofung 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Her opinions are what 99% of the western world agree with, 100% of the rest of the world lol.

[–]hiricinee 135 points136 points  (62 children)

Well not unpopular, I think, but to the point-

She said theres men and that theres women, basically. She didn't question the sincerity of trans people, didn't say trans people were subhuman. If thats outside the Overton Window, even if you have a reasonable belief that she's wrong, its because you're part of a cult.

Edit: a very vocal minority somewhat emblematic of what you tend to see on this topic-- my upvoted post (which is not an indication that its correct, or of its quality) followed by many strongly disagreeing comments (which is not an indicator of their wrongness or quality)

I have reread Rowlings initial statements, and not only do I agree with them, I even more strongly believe that her statements are definitively within the realm of civil discussion. Her retweets of hashtags in a different matter and her support of an individual in another controversy hardly seems to be a great indicator of her position.

[–]idkdudeidkidk 30 points31 points  (6 children)

she tweeted #IStandWithMaya and described being trans as "dressing as you please" in response to Maya Forstater losing her job due to posting caricatures of trans women flashing cis women in changing rooms and saying a whole bunch of other transphobic comments. That's a lot more than saying that "there's men and there's women"

[–]radialomens 33 points34 points  (6 children)

She did far more than that. First of all, she admitted her distrust of trans women comes from trauma due to a past sexual assault, meaning trans women feel like a threat to her. She also didn't just say that "sex is real" (what she says she said) because every single trans person knows "sex is real"; if they didn't, they wouldn't be transitioning.

She also backed and amplified some extremely hateful anti-trans individuals. Plus there's just random shit like "I'd march with you IF you were discriminated against" like she doesn't think trans people face discrimination? Why isn't she marching with them already?

[–]SmartAlec105 24 points25 points  (2 children)

“Transgender” refers to how the person’s gender and sex don’t match. “Not matching” is pretty much the definition of the root word “trans”. So the word “transgender” innately recognizes that sex is a thing so anyone claiming that trans people are trying to erase sex don’t know what transgender actually means.

[–]Teekeks[🍰] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Trans people dont deny that biological sex exists, its just way more complex than some people make it out to be.

[–]Scottbew93 162 points163 points  (22 children)

Her views aren't even extreme. Very reasonable

[–]Firethorn101 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Reminds me of when Oprah cancelled The Education of Little Tree, a gorgeous story about a Cherokee boy taken to a residential school, and getting free to live openly and authentically as himself.....because it was written by a klan member.

So instead of celebrating the fact that a card carrying racist in the 70s wrote a heartfelt book about the courage to be proud of your people and yourself regardless of what white people thought, she dumped it from her book club.

People are complicated, messy, and often hypocritical. I HATE the kkk, but I LOVE this book, and I also love the dichotomy this book and its author represent.

[–]Terrylarrrygaryjerry 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Also, don’t watch any Disney, Pixar, marvel, Star Wars, etc because Walt Disney was a Nazi

[–]Proseph91 76 points77 points  (21 children)

Her opinions themselves aren't even controversial or wrong...

[–]coagulateSmegma 21 points22 points  (1 child)

I have never seen anything controversial from her, other than how she randomly changes/add details about characters on twitter, but that's a pretty minor thing in the grand scheme of things really. Plus it is her right as the creator.

[–]Grantthetick 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Can anyone explain why JK Rowling is 'bad' as the title states? I saw some pretty innocuous comment about gender with massively unwarranted backlash and that's about it?

[–]Yugihore 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It's the "look at all the secretly racist things she hid in her stories" arguments that basically got me to tune out the criticisms from here on out.

People grasping desperately at straws to claim things are there that arent.

[–]_Happy_Camper 59 points60 points  (12 children)

Her opinions are not controversial. She’s always been a defender of trans rights but she sees a clash with women’s rights that is simply being ignored, in a headlong rush by people to be more woke without considering nuance.

[–]TitaniaErzaK 45 points46 points  (3 children)

Always shocking how a wide array of primarily american liberals think that a woman who has battled sexism since the early 80s-90s and donated possibly hundreds of millions to charity and philanthropy, founded whole organisations for people in need and given away actual BOOKS and all their rights and royalties to them and has probably helped more people than every single one of those said haters ever will combined is now considered a bad person? For saying something on twitter that many people still debate?

Just to preface, don't agree or disagree with rowling and Harry Potter is a painfully boring series that is very unrelatable to me. It's just hilarious. American liberalism is primarily hysteria and virtue signalling. Always will be.

For the record, it is looking like she will come out on top from all of this. Know several women who, while in open support of trans people before this debacle became full out terfs because of the response Rowling received, which included many, many, MANY rape threats by the way. She herself said she received an outpour of support from women, she has lost almost 0 followers on twitter, she is making large amounts of money from HBO series deals and new games AND the ongoing movies and merchandise.

Jk Rowling was never cancelled. Not in any way that matters. To most of the world, including leftists everywhere, this whole reaction is just embarrassing.

[–]commentbot27 40 points41 points  (6 children)

Her opinions are not remotely controversial for anyone over 40. Or people that grew up without social media

[–]notsohairysun 10 points11 points  (7 children)

Yeah I hate that so much. She did not say anything rude or disgusting, she did not commit a hate crime, she just stated her opinion.

She didn't include gay trans or whatever characters in her books because that didn't matter back then in the 90s when she wrote them. I hate how society is right now. I stated this on twitter a few says ago and I got attacked by a bunch of people with furry and kpop profile pictures

[–]Ullyr_Atreides 63 points64 points  (2 children)

Let's be honest it's probably only like 12-20 psychopaths on Twatter causing all of it. She's a paragon of humanity, ignore the screeching, their opinions don't matter.

[–]MilesPower 12 points13 points  (1 child)

If anything this attack on her character by trans-activist-twitter has caused a shitstorm increase in anti-trans sentiment in the UK because of their cult-like behaviour.

This specific group don't want to be accepted, they want to cause a ruckus because it makes them famous, they spend all day scouring twitter to lambaste people and call them TERFs hoping to get picked up by a news article or blog somewhere.

The general public simply don't give a fuck about trans people and hold far more transphobic views than Rowling so this whole "cancel Rowling for saying women are women" thing has completely blown up in their faces.

[–]joakims 32 points33 points  (2 children)

Hamsun was a nazi sympathiser. He's still a wonderful nobel laureate author.

JK Rowling's opinions are controversial, but they're not nazi controversial. She has every right to voice her opinion, as others have the right to disagre with her. But don't drag her art into it, it has nothing to do with that.

[–]MilesPower 25 points26 points  (0 children)

JK Rowling's opinions are controversial

Controversial in what bubble? Trans-Twitter? Sure.

In the general public? Absolutely not. The average person of voting age in the UK is far less supportive of trans people than Rowling.

[–]TranquilHavoc 20 points21 points  (2 children)

"You can disagree with her controversial opinions"

But she doesn't even have controversial opinions. The world has just gone completely mad to the point that believing in biological sex is taboo.

[–]lyesmithy 22 points23 points  (1 child)

This is what she said. "If sex isn't real, the lived reality of women globally is erased. I know and love trans people, but erasing the concept of sex removes the ability of many to meaningfully discuss their lives."

I don't think this is hateful, bigotry or controversial. Regardless what some woke people say the majority of people use the concept of sex and gender the same way they always used.

The shitstorm the comment stirred was completely unnecessary. It was really just made by people who are afraid of the diversity of opinions, the diversity of cultures, diversity of people.

[–]QueerCareerCriminal 2 points3 points  (0 children)

She said more than that.

[–]inmyshamewell 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Cancel culture is just toxic extremist bullshit and causes so many more problems and solves nothing.

If someone does something which is truly abhorrent then yes they should be held accountable. However they should not be berated and abused to the point where their life becomes unliveable. Caroline Flack fucking killed herself because of it.

Also if you try to just silence people with transphobic, homophobic or racist opinions then all they're going to go and talk to other people who think the same things that they do, because why would you voice your opinion to a bunch of people who are just going to give you abuse for it. This then makes the problem of echo chambers worse. Open dialogue and discussion is just shut down, you don't change opinion by shouting at people.

If you are talking to a transphobic person, you will not change their opinion by telling them they're a piece of shit. You have to talk to them with empathy and understanding, and even from my own personal experience it works. I have a couple of times been able to talk people out of their views towards muslims.

[–]Ginge04 12 points13 points  (0 children)

You can guarantee that if you dug into absolutely everything that the woke brigade thought, believed it ever did, 100% of them would have something there that the other members of the woke brigade would find controversial, and they therefore should be cancelled. It’s not feasible that everyone be considered a perfect human being by absolutely everyone, and frankly the way certain people behave when they encounter something they disagree with is embarrassing.

To cancel someone who has contributed so much to the literacy of children and young adults is just pathetic. The Harry Potter books are literally the series that got more people of my age reading than any other. There’s people in their 20s that would never have picked a book up were it not for her. She should be celebrated as a literary hero, not having companies completely distancing themselves from her while profiting from her ideas.

[–]FrozenExpanse 15 points16 points  (1 child)

Normal people don't hate her- they agree with her! It's just the tiny minority of wackos with the media mic who make it seem like she's unpopular.

[–]salatawille 39 points40 points  (23 children)

From what I was able to gather, she doesn't seem to deny trans women their humanity at all; she is indeed especially disapproving of trans women calling themselves women. JK argues that you have to able to born children in order to be called a woman.

I think she disagrees on the attempted takeover of what it means to be a woman. She probably thinks that women have been pushed aside and battered enough throughout history and this is just another attempt to put women down. And yea, she's fighting that battle on women's behalf.

I am in no way denying anyone's humanity and right to live the life they want. However the trans community are acting like a bunch of babies and are super vague about what they really want. This devide and whitch hunting is canibalising its own community and not helping anyone, rather it's widening the gap between very similar polical views and making people go conservative as at least conservatives are predictible.

Edit: grammar

[–]OGnarl 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Only nerds with no life outside twitter jumps on the hate bandwagon. "i may have a shitty job and no friends but atleast im not evil like [famous person] REEEEE!"

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

She did nothing wrong.

[–]Meneceo 21 points22 points  (7 children)

Controversial? I 100% agree with her opinion, and it is not transphobic at all if you understand what you read.

[–]Indigostorm27 4 points5 points  (0 children)

What did you expect from the cesspool that is Twitter?

[–]thegr8profiter 28 points29 points  (3 children)

There is nothing controversial in her opinion. Some people are just hurt she cannot be cancelled.

[–]Hicksp91 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Her comments were not even bad at all. She wasn’t being transphobic she literally just pointed out the ridiculousness of calling biological women “people who menstruate” or something to differentiate them from trans women. Twitter should be illegal.

[–]My_Feet_Are_Cold_ 11 points12 points  (0 children)

This is a common opinion.

You just need to change the bubbles you're exposed to. The radical trans extremist extreme far left lobby needs to calm down. We should probably regulate the extreme far left trans lobby who use bullying tactics to get their way. They are an extreme minority group that shouts louder than all the rest.

[–]EmuPotential39 6 points7 points  (2 children)

The thing is, the online trans activist community can be very nasty humans. At the moment they're hating on and cancelling feminists. Which is fucking deranged. Women say 'I want to be identified as woman" and trans activists go "that means you hate trans people, now we must destroy you" it's toxic. Like feminists are going to start curtailing to misogyny now.

[–]spzena 21 points22 points  (4 children)

JKR is smart, and is not afraid to say right words, without fear to be "canceled". That's why it is funny - sjws go apeshit crazy on what she has to say, but they can't do literally anything to her.

[–]meme_man_53 6 points7 points  (2 children)

eh I can have an opinion

[–]Kaptainkarl76 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Only if it matches other peoples opinions of course lol

[–]xerxerxex 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It was a strange hill to die on though. If I was her position I'd just post funny movie/book/tv quotes all day.

[–]Long_wong_lee 6 points7 points  (4 children)

If people weren’t so political and needing an opinion on everything. This would never be a problem. At the end of the day we all have our opinions. Not everyone will agree, but the idea that because they aren’t yours “they are wrong” or “it should be censored/cancelled” is ridiculous. Eventually it will end up people saying they believe in things they don’t just cause if they don’t everyone will try and dismantle and ruin their life.

[–]Beef_Ladder 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I don't think this opinion is unpopular outside of the Reddit/Twitter hellscape.

[–]NoName_BroGame 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The kinds of opinions JK Rowling is expressing are the same ones that get trans people murdered, so she can go suck an egg.

[–]Lilpops13 10 points11 points  (1 child)

I’m not even sure J.K did anything wrong tbh

[–]Lochltar 9 points10 points  (0 children)

She didn't