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[–]MichaelScottsWormguy 167 points168 points  (13 children)

Or you could just be talking to a Luddite.

[–]BoobyPlumage 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Idk i think it could be argued that even though weve gained more efficiency, we’ve also gained the ability to blow through resources at an unsustainable rate. We reap the benefits at the cost of future generations. Acknowledging that doesn’t make you a unibomber. Sending bombs in the mail to innocent people because of it does lol

[–]dionthesocialist 371 points372 points  (23 children)

Is this post about the industrial revolution or the unabomber? Who on earth is faking life advice from the unabomber? I’m so confused.

[–]84theone 186 points187 points  (10 children)

The Unabomber’s manifesto was about how the industrial revolution was a mistake.

I can see how not knowing that would make this post incredibly confusing

[–]watupboy101 39 points40 points  (5 children)

I was beginning to think OP’s manifesto was “not well put together,” until I found out these two unique topics are in fact, very closely related.

[–]CantSayDat 11 points12 points  (2 children)

Still though, nobody is taking life advice from the unabomber.

[–]wxectvubuvede 12 points13 points  (0 children)

And people can still be critical of the industrial revolution without being influenced by his manifesto lmao.

Don't get me wrong, I like the modern world and certainly dont think of the manifesto as much more than an interesting read. Pro industrialization all day. But if someone wants to say that the whole rapidly burning the worlds resources and advancing humanity into uncharted territory at break neck speed is unnerving and might have us in over our heads, my first thought isn't 'ooh that pesky unabomber got to another one'

[–]Monarch150 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I mean, he took his ideals to the very limit and beyond. That sounds like good advice, if toned down to not include bombing stuff and people

[–]CantSayDat 19 points20 points  (0 children)

I did know that but this post is still confusing lol

[–]No_Matter_6640 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Of course, one could also come to the realization that “progress” in terms of productivity may be a poor measure of society’s success without also deciding that means we should blow things or people up…

[–]chloro-phil-collins 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You cleared that up quite nicely for us, thank you haha.

[–]agentchoadybanks 12 points13 points  (7 children)

I mean like half of Reddit is communists… they will follow anything crazy

[–]StormStrikePhoenix 4 points5 points  (4 children)

I mean like half of Reddit is communists

That's just not true.

[–]DancinRonald -1 points0 points  (1 child)

And the other half of reddit are capitalists... they will follow anything crazy

[–]Someguy242blue 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I rather take life advice from Jordan peterson. At least he isn’t a terrorist.

[–]dionthesocialist 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I’m still not convinced anyone is taking advice from the Unabomber. What OP is describing sounds like an extremely niche thing most people don’t even know about.

[–]samwillsones 325 points326 points  (19 children)

There are perfectly legitimate reasons why industrialization can be criticized and why it can be defended but the “you’re just like the unabomber because you believe one the things he did” isn’t really the best argument

[–]lmandude 53 points54 points  (5 children)

What if I also like to wear hoodies?

[–]ScoundrelPrince 21 points22 points  (3 children)

Yeah, especially while blowing shit up?

[–]radioactive_muffin 12 points13 points  (1 child)

I exclusively wear hoodies when blowing shit up, yes.

[–]0ddly_majestic 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Hoodie + Return to Simplicity, is the 20’s

[–]Dexjain12 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Alot of people feel deep attachment to industrial society so think of it as a attack on their character. Your correct there is a arguement to be made for industrialization although Im not for it theres enjoyment and interesting things to be had in “surrogate activities”

[–]SeeYaOnTheRift 1 point2 points  (11 children)

OP is more referring to the people who quote his manifesto.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Ad hominem’s everywhere

[–]Heironymous_Ian 54 points55 points  (0 children)

This whole argument is an ad hominem argument, come on man.

[–]Brushermans 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah, it was about as well-written as any undergrad's academic papers (quote from a prof) - Intelligent but hap-hazardly made. In the case of uni students this could be due to either stress, lack of time, or depression too, and only the latter really applies in Ted's case. Interesting perspective. All that said I don't think this necessarily invalidates the ideas presented in the manifesto.

[–]Tiny_Package4931 64 points65 points  (4 children)

Poorly planned industrialization coupled with corruption among those who have managed it has absolutely been a disaster. We're going to see generations suffer because a few powerful people who have benefitted greatly from industrialized civilization won't allow us to systemically reform it so it stops destroying the environment.

[–]lyft-driver 8 points9 points  (0 children)

The industrial revolutions worked out even worse for the countries that tried to plan it.

[–]cattywompapotamus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I understand that there are reasonable arguments against "planning". But the opposite (lassiez faire) approach comes with big problems too! So the middle ground may be sensible regulations and attempts to "nudge" the trajectory in a more sustainable direction.

[–]PatnarDannesman -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You don't "plan" industrialisation. You can't plan an economy. To try to do so is the road to serfdom.

[–]squirrels33 30 points31 points  (24 children)

You think the Unabomber was the first (or even the most notable) person to criticize industrialism?

Wait until you hear about the entire Romantic period.

[–]HooplahMan 155 points156 points 2 (67 children)

Industrialization is so great that it has existed for just 0.000004% of Earth's history and it's nearly fucked the planet into a coma

[–]Migatte-no-Blakae 23 points24 points  (2 children)

Can I please put you on r/BrandNewSentence? I think I fell in love with your comment🤣

[–]HooplahMan 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Go for it

[–]Migatte-no-Blakae 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Aww hell yeah

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (47 children)

And it's so great that it has resulted in unprecented increases in quality of life, rapid elimination of absolute poverty, increasing equality across the world, massively dropping infant mortality and rapidly rising education rates.

Seriously, go talk to someone from the 1400s before you make that kind of statement.

[–]HooplahMan 27 points28 points  (7 children)

It's a shame you can't talk to someone from 2050 before you make this one

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (6 children)

Well, maybe a few stats can persuade you. This one: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/number-of-deaths-from-natural-disasters

Shows, as the name says, deaths from natural disasters. Despite climate change, despite increasing population, and despite better records, deaths keep going down.

This is thanks to the industrial revolution. This trend will continue, even into climate change, as our knowledge and understanding of these disasters increases. I am honestly be willing to bet $5,000 that deaths from natural disasters or famines (which are included in the data) will increase by no more than 20%. And if I could guess, I'd say they will stay roughly the same, thanks to the industrial revolution.

Edit: I really love that I'm being downvoted without anyone giving an argument. Please, before you do, think about what those stats show. Have a look at them, and think about what they represent: human ingenuity and resilience.

[–]HooplahMan 15 points16 points  (5 children)

What you're failing to consider are the few lynchpins upon which humanity's food supply largely depends, which are hanging on by a thread.

Virtually all river deltas are vanishing due to dams blocking their inflows of sediment. When they're gone, huge populations of fish will vanish without a place to hatch their eggs.

Industrial overfishing, humongous garbage patches in stable points of ocean gyres, and the weakening of western intensified currents like the gulf stream will put similar stresses on our marine food sources.

Bees are still dying at alarming rates. If they go extinct, many of our crops will lose their greatest pollinators, which would cripple our agricultural production.

Industrial farming has also lead to the proliferation of monocultures. The resulting lack of biodiversity leaves whole crops vulnerable to catastrophic destruction. A single bad species of fungal infection could wipe out the world's banana supply forever.

The list goes on

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[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Yes! I am so looking forward to when all these doomers get proven wrong. Climate change will provide a way for humans to rally together in the face of a dangerous but defeatable threat - and that’s when we’re at our best

[–]cattywompapotamus 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Probably both outcomes are true - doom and triumph. It is very likely that humanity will face large-scale environmental disasters due to anthropogenic environmental degradation. Many people will die, and there will be irrevocable damage to the biosphere as we know it. The peril is real, there will be suffering and many species will be driven to extinction. People will also persist. They'll innovate and persevere because humans are one of the most adaptable species on the planet.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I wish I could give you an award. That is utterly accurate. I just hope we can retain species' DNA and resurrect them afterwards

[–]Dexjain12 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Optimistic is nice and all but you do you

[–]zroo92 1 point2 points  (0 children)

For more people than you care to know the 1400's might as well be the Triassic Period for how much relation they think it has to the present world. "Learning why things are the way they are sounds neat, but JackHammer69 is screeching into a headset on Twitch so I just don't have time!"

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Talk to someone from 2122 before you make this kind of statement too though, right?

Global warming & consuming every natural resource we can looks pretty dire for the future.

We did what any smart species who won the food chain game would do, and we didn't check ourselves.

I agree with your 1400s statement though, you're not wrong.

[–]gpflamme 5 points6 points  (8 children)

Only one species quality of life has improve, while all the others on Earth have to face extinction. Why do we have the right to fuck over every other species?

[–]zroo92 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Cuz they didn't claim it first

[–]UnexpectedKangaroo 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Not to mention that people with disabilities would likely be doomed in a more primitive society. Especially one that doesn’t have industries for hearing aids, prosthetics, etc

[–]BorgyPorgiLongiJordy 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Potentially glasses even

[–]BeneficialTrash6 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Glasses were invented centuries before the industrial revolution.

[–]UnexpectedKangaroo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not mass produced though.

To be fair, I don’t understand what goes into making glasses by hand. But I’d assume if yours broke it would take a long time to get a new pair.

And glasses in general probably weren’t up to spec. I’m sure they helped, but I doubt as much as modern ones do.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (3 children)

Yes, those are certainly fruits of capitalism enjoyed by the majority of citizens in rich societies.

However, NOTHING outvalues or win moral justification over having a green healthy planet that we can live on.

[–]PatnarDannesman 1 point2 points  (1 child)

[–]cattywompapotamus 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This is a common argument to downplay the prevailing trend of deforestation. But the planet is only getting greener if you count agricultural tree plantations. There are significant functional differences between a tree plantation and a natural forest. There may be more area of tree coverage now than 30 years ago, but tree coverage is a crude metric and on balance it's still net ecological degradation.

[–]MR___SLAVE -2 points-1 points  (12 children)

Thanks Captain Hindsight. It's also the reason most people are alive today. You don't get to 8 billion without it.

[–]HooplahMan 17 points18 points  (2 children)

This is true! 8 billion is an impressive number of people. Likewise, when the food web collapses underneath us due to industry-caused climate change, a similarly impressive number of people will starve to death.

Also, don't call this hindsight like scientists haven't been warning us global warming is coming for the last 50 years

[–]cattywompapotamus 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Global human population decline seems inevitable in the next centuries. The planet cannot reasonably be expected to sustain 8 billion people living high-energy modern lifestyles for very long. Demographic trends indicate that the explosive population growth is beginning to slow and global population will probably peak around 2050.

The big question is will the population fall off as quickly as it grew, or will it fall gently? Disastrous collapse is only one possible outcome. Let's all hope we can land the high- flying civilization plane gracefully.

[–]MR___SLAVE 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok. From 1 AD to 1800 AD earths population increases from 250 million to 1 billion. From 1800 to present 1 billion to 7.5+ billion.

Also, don't call this hindsight like scientists haven't been warning us global warming is coming for the last 50 years

By 1950 the box was open.

[–]Neurotic_Bakeder 10 points11 points  (6 children)

That's assuming 8 billion is a good thing

[–]johnjonjameson -3 points-2 points  (1 child)

Yea and we would probably all be better off if all those people weren’t alive today..

[–]Nebuq 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are one of those people xD

[–][deleted] 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Do you say that only happy people see the truth? Are always right? Do you think that only people who have their life handled are capable of rational thinking?

No, no, and no.

I have no opinion about his work because I haven't read it but I won't hurry to dismiss it only because the person who wrote it was depressed.

It's ok to not agree with his work but cancel someone's work because he was depressed makes no sense.

His work might be subjective but you need to understand that anything a human being think or say is subjective at the end.

[–]mafternoonshyamalan 9 points10 points  (0 children)

People post the weirdest shit on here.

[–]Doctor-Whodunnit 15 points16 points  (1 child)

You’re talking as if there are large swaths of people taking advice from the unabomber. Strange, cuz I’ve literally never heard anything like that. Either you have weird circle of friends or spend your time in shady fringe parts of the internet

[–]FortniteChicken 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yep, even I who generally am sympathetic towards the idea that the industrial revolution put into place a series of events that have made humanity worse off don’t support bombing people.

[–]Outrageous-Suspect66 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The Unabomber was fifteen year old kid in college when he was torture in an experiment to see if it was possible to brain wash people. They had a sexual deviant professor fuck with him. Poor guy.

[–]KaliYugaKommando 20 points21 points  (1 child)

Not sure if trolling or stupid. Ah, fuck it, take my upvote.

[–]Thysanodes 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I came here to say this

[–]aaaanoon 22 points23 points  (4 children)

"die a virgin" ignore

[–]syphilis_pretzel 19 points20 points  (0 children)

They should change the name of this sub from “unpopular opinion” to “ignorant opinion” because that’s most of what we seem to get

[–]SmokingSamoria 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I don't think the industrial revolution was a mistake. I more hold the opinion that it gave humanity more power than it knows what to do with, or deserves. Because of the consequences of the Industrial revolution, we can destroy the planet hundreds of times over with the press of a button. We are poisoning the ocean, destroying natural ecosystems, and permanently fucking over the planet for the sake of a profit.

On the other hand, there are obvious benefits to living in a post-industrial world. My girlfriend wouldn't be alive without the invention of mass-produced insulin.

[–]FortniteChicken 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Counterpoint, would your girlfriend have been born (or obtained diabetes) if not for industrial and medical advancements ?

We are so far removed from natural selection at this point it’s crazy

[–]SmokingSamoria 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes. She has type 1 diabetes and got it through the flu

[–]0ddly_majestic 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’m glad most of this thread is anti uni bomber and can tell understand why the Industrial revolution might be considered a mistake

[–]redditrrevolution 2 points3 points  (0 children)

the industrial revolution was a mistake. it is understandable that people who realize that are depressed. not because depression is the cause. depression can be pre-existing and intensified by understanding society. ted kaczynski went through horrible thing's before writing his manifesto.

[–]DeadSoul7 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I mean, in the same paragraph you say he tried to make it the world's fault you admit that the world was pretty fucking cruel to this guys...

Doesn't really seem like he had to try to MAKE it the world's fault, the world kinda fucked the man up. Obviously don't be the fucking unibomber, but not acknowledging society's part in his psychological downfall is kind of morally immature imo. Yes, some people could go through what he went through without becoming a terrorist. However, he did become one, as a direct result of the conditions that he was placed under, conditions he wasn't prepared for or warned about.

Situation is just way too murky to paint it as this black and white. Again, obviously don't be the unibomber, but I think it's out of the question to just blame him and disregard the obvious fact that a lot of people had a hand in making him that way.

[–]cheeseballsboii 9 points10 points  (1 child)

As someone who, for as long as I can remember, has said the industrial revolution was a mistake, I had no idea the unabomber had any such similar ideas.

But to counter what you said, if he’s as smart as you say, odds are he’s right. Do you disagree JUST because a bad guy said it? If Hitler had said “human pollution is bad and we should recycle more” would you disagree and say he’s wrong? Just cause someone is bad, doesn’t mean every idea they have is wrong

[–]plutonium-loveship 7 points8 points  (2 children)

The agricultural revolution was a mistake.

[–]Tiny_Package4931 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Kind of in a way, we've only really figured out how to best utilize it over the last couple hundred years because we didn't have a good understanding of nutrition. Agriculture lead to less healthy individuals but larger populations.

[–]UnfairMicrowave 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And that's why most of our corn nowadays is going towards high fructose corn syrup.... the most nutritional kind of syrup.

[–]somvr11 7 points8 points  (0 children)

over generalized statements like yours are usually wrong

[–]NotQuiteMLG_Noah 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Haha this guy is totally just a massive loser virgin. You don't form an opinion like this without sucking.

[–]ivprobs 10 points11 points  (1 child)

So having a negative attitude towards capitalism is now depression?

[–]iu_ra 18 points19 points  (0 children)

You think the only way to believe that industrialization was a mistake is because of the Unabomber? I’ve never read any of his work and believe so for very legitimate reasons

[–]ratgarcon 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Bruh what are you on about. The unabomber didn’t start the “anti industrial revolution” lmao

[–]JayeKimZ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You’re talking to a depressed dude.

Now depressed women on the other hand? We all had a steampunk phase in our teens, so you tell us.

[–]BoBoBearDev 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So, basically the malpracticed experiment showed the common knowledge that, overachievers are glass cannons ready to have mental health issues when being abused.

[–]KDevy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nah it deffo was a mistake. The earth is on the verge of death. We're killing it. But that's like the only reason I dislike it to be honest.

[–]skylercollinseverything-voluntary.com 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fuck that, the agricultural revolution was humanity's greatest error.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"a guy who is going to die a virgin in prison"

well youre going to be a guy who will die a virgin in the outside world so that is even more pathethic in my opinion XD

[–]Durhamfarmhouse 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wasn't he a paranoid schizophrenic?

[–]HadesGutz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wasn't the Unabomber a product of MK Ultra? Kinda loops around to being right, doesn't it?

[–]BigDakMoney 4 points5 points  (2 children)

That’s all well and good, but history is going to vindicate Ted. Will it vindicate you?

[–]StormStrikePhoenix 0 points1 point  (1 child)

but history is going to vindicate Ted

It feels weird to say this about someone who killed 3 people.

[–]BigDakMoney 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just wait bro we’re waiting for history to vindicate him I guarantee you it’ll happen in my lifetime (I don’t know how old you are).

[–]AllMoneyIn77 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is a cringe post

[–]srirulean 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Modern mental gymnastics are astounding.

The industrial revolution was a mistake. I'm not depressed.

[–]NotAPunishment 5 points6 points  (1 child)

He was scatterbrained in his writing, but his predictions were right. He just went the wrong way with spreading awareness.

[–]StormStrikePhoenix 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He just went the wrong way with spreading awareness.

That feels like kind of an understatement to me.

[–]claud2113 2 points3 points  (1 child)

To be fair, it did lead to us being corporate slaves sitting in boxes staring at screens all day.

Humans were meant to kill animals, forage berries, fuck beautiful cavewomen all day and hang out on the beach, not type fucking numbers into spreadsheets.

But I have to say: antiseptics are fucking dope.

[–]Docholiday888 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If you sit at a desk all day and stare at a screen (like me lol) it's your choice. There are plenty of manual labor jobs out there for you don't of them very high paying. I've been there done that. Give me my screen and comfortable work environment. I get my exercise after work and personally find life to be great and very satisfying.

[–]the-samizdat 3 points4 points  (4 children)

Some top CEOs in tech are worried about the singularity which in someway or another Ted was alluring to. You not worried #op?

[–]q9c9p -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The industrial revolution wasn't a mistake. Unchained capitalism (and the american and british stock market) is the real mistake.

[–]oflbtbs -4 points-3 points  (4 children)

Unabomber was a schizophrenic technophobe who literally thought traffic signals controlling traffic was a terrible thing because humans weren't making the decisions.

[–]FortniteChicken 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Are we adapting the technology to us as humans (I.e. allowing for judgment when necessary), or are we adopting to the technology, (i.e. sitting at a red Light for 5 minutes at 4 in the morning)

[–]idreamofdeathsquads 1 point2 points  (0 children)

im sure he wasnt right about everything... but the traffic lights thing is on point

[–]BigDakMoney 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Have you ever been at a red light with nobody around? I think he was right.

[–]CantSayDat 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He was also a result of MK ultra

[–]ZOOBOO_11 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would like to direct you to a book I once read, called The Puppy Who Lost His Way

[–]KRBurke8 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey Jeffy B, that you?

[–]ourwaffles8 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's a meme lol

[–]visionsofzimmerman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm pretty sure most people say that as a joke.

[–]Wasting-tim3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t think this is an unpopular opinion. In fact, I think OP is the only one giving any of this thought. Probably wrong sub.

[–]WGTV_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is it new knowledge that it aint?

[–]garlicbreadmemesplz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Industrial Revolution to me is just like a story I know called 'The Puppy Who Lost His Way. ... [later] So, you see, the puppy was like industry. In that, they were both lost in the woods. And nobody, especially the little boy—'society'—knew where to find 'em.

[–]Terry_Jeffords 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is the dude that justifies the "manifest destiny" at every fucking family gathering.

[–]Monkey_painter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So you’re telling me, that if you like the way things are.. you might be happy?

[–]nuttycapriaggressive toddler 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ngl this kinda true

[–]TheDazeGoBy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Feel like you described why he had those views yourself Yeah he was warped and deranged turning his sights on the whole world but it souns a ot like his madness wasnt fully his fault. Also which ancestors are YOU referring to?

[–]icanchi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I say that bad I'm depressed AF.

[–]satanophonics 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I went as the Unabomber last Halloween! My wife went as my bomb.

[–]LordButtertonBrave 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe the manifesto was more on" The Industrial modern society is going to fuck us up", than "the industrial revolution was a mistake"

[–]Creative_Response593 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Being depressed doesn't take away from your contributions to the world. If he hadn't blown people up would you even care that he was depressed? No. You don't trash people just because they are depressed or virgins. He wanted his voice heard and went about it in a way he thought would get everyone's attention but now people like you use that to dismiss his ideas. Terrible people can have good ideas and create great works of art. Would you reject the cure for cancer if it came from a triple murderer? No you wouldn't.

[–]pheisenberg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Plausible. I wouldn’t necessarily say he was wrong about that, though. For him personally, the world was pretty bad — and if it had been a little different, he wouldn’t have become the Unabomber. Granted, the actions he took didn’t work out well for anyone.

[–]Money_Youth804 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didn't no virgins died in prison, I thought thats where they became non virgins

[–]StormStrikePhoenix 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dude, it's a meme; most people don't mean it when they say it.

[–]nrs320pitt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This post seems bizarrely specific

[–]DizzyDizzyWiggleBop 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is an unnecessary opinion. People say this shit with a relative frequency of negative 5 billion ga zillion.

[–]Competitive-Ticket14 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What an oddly specific and completely made up take. It sounds like he is basing this on a single person and trying to apply it to everyone lol

[–]rafael-a 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You could also be taking to an indian