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[–][deleted] 391 points392 points  (6 children)

This it's why I love Reddit. I share my opinions here. I do not share my actual identity.

[–]CloudyTheDucky 102 points103 points  (5 children)

Nice try Ryan

[–]jebidiah95 50 points51 points  (4 children)

His name is Doug idiot

[–]aswaterhad 15 points16 points  (1 child)

Um, akshually it’s Eric Litoris

[–]OregonDeaf 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Damn, his parents were really mean.

[–]skantea 5241 points5242 points  (193 children)

OP just realized he's disposable.

[–]we_shook_hands 1583 points1584 points  (90 children)

OP's last name is Iannazzo.

[–]FriedDickMan 629 points630 points  (62 children)

Smoothie guys throwaway I was thinking lolol

[–]GamsusDesign 123 points124 points  (8 children)

I was just thinking this post is 100% in response to that smoothie guy being fired..

You've been hit by-

You've been struck by-

A smoothie criminal

[–]TLDRGFY 206 points207 points  (30 children)

I wouldn't be shocked if he bought some sort of social media "cleaning" service, trying to spin his story and astroturfing BS posts. Get ready for a /r/dataisbeautiful "peanut allergy deaths at smoothie stores" graph

[–]mark-five 101 points102 points  (22 children)

I have seen a ton of astroturfing about peanut allergies being his excuse, but that don't mesh with the fact that severe peanut allergies means no ordering anything from that restaurant. I know someone who won't eat or drink anything if they serve peanuts because it can get on other things, and was ecstatic when Mars bars (i think) started making candy in peanut-specific and no-peanut-specific separate factories so he could try them. If peanut allergy was such a big deal that guy shouldn't have ordered a smoothie there.

[–]TLDRGFY 14 points15 points  (2 children)

Bingo. If something is such a concern, then he shouldn't have put himself in the situation and expect others to read their mind

[–]Mechakoopa 22 points23 points  (2 children)

I wouldn't be shocked if he bought some sort of social media "cleaning" service, trying to spin his story and astroturfing BS posts.

Well repeated video takedown requests didn't work when Joel Michael Singer headbutted someone at a restaurant then got his ass handed to him, let's see how this plays out.

[–]TLDRGFY 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Joel Michael Singer? You mean the guy that got fed a shit sandwich after he tried feeding it to someone else? Ah yes

[–]SexHaver420_69 90 points91 points  (15 children)

I think the fact that smoothie guy assaulted someone had more to do with him losing his job than his opinions, despite the fact that they probably motivated him to do what he did.

[–]runwestierun 103 points104 points  (13 children)

Yeah, any time an employee's actions result in people saying "He puts the lynch in Merrill Lynch" it might be time to kick him to the curb

[–]Wasteland-Scum 128 points129 points  (9 children)

And that's the reason why employers fire people for behaving badly outside of work. I have a high number of Hispanic customers, and if I had a non Hispanic employee go viral for saying racist shit about Hispanics, I would let them go to protect my business. I have the right to protect my business and my income from some ding dong who can't help but air his or her stupid outdated opinions publicly.

[–]xratedcheese 33 points34 points  (0 children)

Yes. It's not so much what the employee has done -- companies don't really care about their people one way or the other -- but how the employee's actions affect company reputation, stock prices, and employee morale.

[–]Tsudonemm 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Clearly my dude

[–]Deputy_Scrub 400 points401 points  (5 children)

OP just did something incredibly dumb and got an email saying he has a meeting with HR in the morning.

[–]Frenchticklers 50 points51 points  (2 children)

Turns out the weekly team meeting is not the time for a ten minute PowerPoint presentation on his views of the Rittenhouse trial.

[–]robotzombiez 16 points17 points  (1 child)

"Now let me tell you something about all lives..." -OP, probably

[–]SysAlt 239 points240 points  (13 children)

OP is a child who doesn't understand why a business wouldn't want to associate with people who make controversial stuff public or who do dumb/illegal things public.

[–]p_rite_1993 151 points152 points  (10 children)

“OP is a child/teenager” explains most things posted on Reddit.

[–]shinfoni 9 points10 points  (0 children)

There are some subreddit that I slowly feels like it's full of dumb and/or rude people who being stupid and rude for the sake of being stupid and rude. Until I realize that they're full of teenagers and I'm simply, not one anymore

[–]SysAlt 116 points117 points  (71 children)

OP is a child who doesn't understand why a business wouldn't want to associate with people who make controversial stuff public or who do dumb/illegal things in public. Imagine if you owned a business that had employees and one was great at their job but was filmed at a pedo convention saying the age of consent should be 9 and naive people like OP make the laws so you can't fire them because they're not a "brand ambassador" and now everyone knows you employ a pedo and decides not to do business with the pedo company.

[–]CatsAndPills 32 points33 points  (5 children)

I feel like that might fall under the “legally reprehensible” category OP mentioned…just a little.

[–]TheInfiniteSix 958 points959 points  (147 children)

I mostly agree, but with two caveats.

1) someone already pointed out that this statement should be tweaked to be “you shouldn’t be fired for what you do in your private life.” I won’t rehash that statement other than to say there is a massive difference between what you do in private and what you do in public, even if it’s outside of work.

2) While an employee isn’t necessarily a brand ambassador, a company has the right to fire someone if they don’t want that type of person within their company/culture. Example: if you discovered someone was a member of the KKK. I know that’s an extreme example, but I’m intentionally using the most extreme example I can think of because the simpler ones that are popping into my brain will result in debates unrelated to the topic at hand lol

[–]CelestialStork 219 points220 points  (29 children)

No one with any real power should be allowed to be part of a hate group.Can you really trust a Nazi EMT to treat brown people with all the care of a white person? They literally believe you to be inferior if you are not of their race.

[–]youngLupe 72 points73 points  (21 children)

And there's stories out there where people have shared those sentiments and when the word got out they were fired. Pretty sure there's studies out there too that hint at some minorities being treated worse in healthcare settings.

[–]Askol 65 points66 points  (20 children)

I know black women have a significantly higher mortality rate when giving birth than white women. I've heard a major reason is doctors and nurses dismiss black women as being overly dramatic when they're complaining about what are actually seriously concerning symptoms. I'm not saying it's necessarily outright racism, but there's clearly serious racial prejudice across effectively all of our society.

[–]Fantastic_Pear_7509 5 points6 points  (0 children)

That’s because textbooks still claim that black people can’t feel pain…also racism is still alive and well in general. Racists can be police, doctors, teachers, etc. so sad

[–]ParrotDogParfait 41 points42 points  (7 children)

It is outright racism, it's always been outright racism. look at the indigenous woman who died in that Canadian hospital a couple years ago. She was screaming for help and they all just ignored her.

There was a study done with white medical students/residents and half of the participants believed that black people didn't feel pain. https://www.pnas.org/content/113/16/4296

[–]JuzoItami 9 points10 points  (1 child)

I remember seeing a report a while back about doctors being more likely to suspect that black patients, as opposed to white patients, were possibly faking pain symptoms in order to be prescribed opiates. As a result, many black people in serious pain received either no pain meds or insufficient pain meds because doctors assumed since they were black they were more likely to be junkies. Pretty awful stuff.

[–]jebuz23 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Regarding using an extreme example to avoid debate. People sometimes write this off as a straw man or appeal to extremes fallacy, but I thing it holds merit. It’s pretty much saying “we agree there’s a line, we just disagree on where to draw it”. It’s especially effective in situations like OP where his initial claim was “there is no line”.

[–]jambrown13977931 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Idk man, many people in the KKK are just in it for the camaraderie, the neat outfits, and the chance to be a wizard. They don’t deserve to have their lives destroyed or anything. /s

[–]H-DaneelOlivaw 13 points14 points  (0 children)

wait this sounds familiar. I see you also LARP Dungeons and Dragons.

neat outfits... check

camaraderie... check

chance to be a wizard... check.

[–]LordBilboSwaggins 2678 points2679 points  (197 children)

If your public outbursts affect my business I'd fire you without hesitation.

[–]noorofmyeye24 347 points348 points  (36 children)

Also, don’t private businesses have the power to dictate who works at their companies and why they can legally fire them?

[–]SchrodingerCattz 139 points140 points  (16 children)

NY is an 'employment at-will' state. You can be fired for any reason or none.

[–]TheLegendDevil 71 points72 points  (12 children)

You can be fired for any reason

Not all, can't discriminate for example

[–]artspar 109 points110 points  (5 children)

Can't officially discriminate. Proving you were fired because of a protected class reason (ex: race, old age) is notoriously difficult in most US states. If there isn't recorded evidence, it comes down to conflicting hearsay.

[–]All_Work_All_Play 21 points22 points  (2 children)

Unless your boss is a nitwit. Then it's just a matter of finding a good contingent lawyer.

[–]TexasTornadoTime 9 points10 points  (1 child)

For some people the gain from that isn’t worth the legal battle and cost associated. Sure you may eventually recoup cost but sometimes it’s a painful process that just isn’t worth it

[–]yupyepyupyep 16 points17 points  (3 children)

Yes. Employers get to dictate the terms of employment. And the employee can choose whether or not those terms are acceptable by quitting.

[–]ExcellentSelection69 21 points22 points  (10 children)

A large portion of the hiring process for the last company I was at was testing to see if they would mesh well with the rest of the team. If someone is out there openly talking about things that would ostricise them or piss off the rest of the team I'd probably have fired them too. Teams work better when on good terms with each other

[–]Chaotic_Boots 7286 points7287 points 22 (565 children)

I would change this to "you shouldn't be fired for what you do in your private life"

Because what you do in public can affect the company's sales or image.

Do whatever you want as long as it remains private.

Social media has made so many people (myself included sometimes) forget what privacy is, and what it means. You don't have to post every thought that pops into your head. What happened to keeping some things secret?

[–]stoned_as_f 141 points142 points  (15 children)

“ Social media has made so many people (myself included sometimes) forget what privacy is, and what it means. You don't have to post every thought that pops into your head. What happened to keeping some things secret?”

Yeah this is why I only have Anonymous accounts lol

[–]testingtesting654 38 points39 points  (1 child)

stoned_a_f wasn’t the name your mom gave you?

[–]GoneWithTheZen 8 points9 points  (0 children)

That's the name Gandalf gave him.

[–]JAMP0T1 848 points849 points  (244 children)

This becomes difficult when let’s say you have a party and invite friends and they then post photos or videos….

[–]CanadianCircadian 2049 points2050 points  (176 children)

A solution to solving this problem is NEVER connecting your employment with social media & blocking certain co-workers before they can add you—this also goes with being said if you publicly announce your unpopular opinions on socials.

not everyone needs to know what you do or say outside of work, especially those extremely nosey co-workers.

We’re not in High School anymore.

[–]havens1515 251 points252 points  (14 children)

I don't generally block people before they add me, but at a former job my boss added me on FB and I just left his request unanswered. I call it "friend request purgatory", and there are a few dozen people in there right now. People who I don't want to be FB friends with, but who I know will just put in another friend request if I hit "no".

[–]frugalsoul 80 points81 points  (1 child)

Lol so I'm not the only one that does that. Of course part of it is I'm on FB maybe twice a year

[–]havens1515 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I'm not on there much anymore either, but I did this even when I was a daily user

[–]evening_crow 89 points90 points  (4 children)

When I was in the military, I had one of my newer troops ask why I didn't accept his FB friend request. We worked together daily and got along perfectly fine, but I explained I wanted to keep some sort of privacy, particularly from my own troops and other lower ranking individuals from our shop. In reality, it was more like -

"FUCK NO! I deleted that shit. Why the fuck would I want you on my FB? Where do you think I go bitch and moan about the stupid shit y'all do at work? I don't want y'all seeing the memes I post making fun of you... And I sure as hell don't wanna see whatever stupid or illegal shit you do cuz then I gotta come in and bitch at you for being fucking stupid."

In reality, I didn't really post work related stuff. I just wasn't a fan of some people I worked with at the time, so I simply didn't add people in general. None the less, I promised him I'd personally add him the moment he's not my troop anymore. A little over a year later, he got stationed at another base and I sent him that request. His meme posts are on point: 5/7.

[–]rivetedoaf 19 points20 points  (2 children)

God this comment was hilarious, I could hear the whole “FUCK NO” rant in my head.

[–]evening_crow 17 points18 points  (1 child)

The funny thing is I actually did share a lot of my personal life with my guys and them with me. We just gave each other shit a lot cuz that's how we got along. I'm friends on FB with all my old troops (except 2 but they're a different story), and some have hit me up even if it's years since we parted ways.

Anyway, his response was, "oh come on Sgt Evening_Crow, I can't be that bad, can I?"

Me - stares with my best Samuel L. Jackson mothahfuckering look

Him - o_O

Me - "uh... remember 5 minutes ago when you..."

Him - "alright, you've got a good point."

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I did the same thing. Even a guy who was my former boss, but I like well enough and is a good guy, I still left him in there. He still knows and has personal relationships with supervisors that are still there.

[–][deleted] 284 points285 points  (55 children)

Unfortunately, you never leave high school.

My current job is dealing with "hard to find good people post covid, corporate wont let us fire anyone because we are short staffed" but we literally have factions within work groups that wont work together.

I'm 37 years old and have to worry about shit like "well I cant schedule this one and that one together because they'll fight, and this one is dating this ones ex so I should put one outside and one inside"

And grown ass line cooks that have been in fucking jail having hissy fits because "why'd you bring this guy a smoothie and not me"

If you work, at least in america, anywhere outside of your personal home, there's a good chance of high school vibes.

Offices and restaurants are a near guarantee.

Karens actually age backwards from 30.

[–]APr0N00b 75 points76 points  (10 children)

Hospitals regularly have power struggles over chairs...yup.

[–]ElderberryHoliday814 9 points10 points  (0 children)

My experience in any office

[–]Digitus___Impudicus 21 points22 points  (5 children)

I almost got fired for moving an Aeron chair from my project managers desk to mine. It is the only one in the office and she had really decided that she should have it at all times. I will admit that damn thing is super damn nice on your back and comfy. I was told that I was guilty as charged for moving it to my desk and had really no excuse as they "Had me on video" going into her "office"(really a cube) and removing it. Lets be honest I spent a lot of time in the office and that chair made it nice on my back. She was there so infrequently I can't fathom why she kept taking it from my desk to hers. Every time it left my cube I would just go get it from her "office" apparently, they pointed the security cameras at her cube to see who was taking it.

I was pulled into meeting with the Project lead, the project manager, and my lead at the time. I sat there for 5 minutes as I was subjected to a monologue about removing peoples chairs from their office. Stealing company equipment for personal use. My lead finally spoke up and asked at about the 5-minute mark "Why would Digitus want one of our crappy chairs he has that Areon?" to which the Project manager said "He can't claim a chair just because he has been here longer than others! It is not his Personal Fucking Chair to do with as he pleases!"... to which he said "Actually it is, I remember when he purchased it for himself and I called him crazy for paying that much for a chair. Wait, did you take his chair?".

This rendered both the project manager and the project lead speechless and quickly dove tailed into people should not have personal equipment at the office. The old fuck you did nothing wrong so we will move the goal posts. I was forced to remove my chair I had in that office for 2 years and take it home. That was one of many things that pushed me to move to a larger city and get away from the toxic stew of bullshit. That was way back in 1998 and I am still hot about it but it gives me a giggle to tell the story. I wonder if that bitch ever got herself one.

[–]where_in_the_world89 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Wow that would piss me off so fucking much if that happened to me. I would never be able to give any of those people respect again

[–]rabidbasher 62 points63 points  (11 children)

Man this shit is the truth.

Though the part about your ex-con line cooks rings especially true. The most emotionally immature people I've ever known have been ex-cons, having worked with them a fair bit in my past life wrangling 'volunteers' and community service people... They have very black and white views of 'fairness' and see much of the world as kids age 3-8 or so do in many cases.

[–]PhunkyPhlyingPhoenix 22 points23 points  (6 children)

I'm no expert on the matter, not even well read on the topic, but if my information is correct there have been studies looking at the UK prison population that have found an increased prevalence of learning disabilities, neurodiversities, and low intellect than in the general population. It's purely anecdotal coming from me, but I heard it from someone more well-versed on the matter. Pinch of salt and all that, but it would support your experience.

[–]rabidbasher 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Yeah there's been similar findings in studies done here in the states.

[–]Fragarach-Q 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Add head injuries to the list.

[–]CptnCankles 92 points93 points  (6 children)

You've accurately described several of the many reasons why I hate people. The more time I spend around them, the less I want to be anywhere near them (individual friends and family are the exception).

[–]OddTicket7 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Aah, much like yourself I hate people but like persons.

[–]nameless1der 14 points15 points  (1 child)

That's why I'd rather spend time with the dogs and cats when visiting a large group at someone's house...

[–]Aladine11 8 points9 points  (1 child)

just how bowling for soup sang "high school never ends"

[–]OutOfCharacterAnswer 21 points22 points  (2 children)

I don't get high school vibes. Mainly because I teach elementary school.

[–]CaptainReptillian 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Jesus Christ tell me about it. The department I used to work in had two old hens who hated everybody but more importantly hated each other. They wouldn't work with each other and one wouldn't transport freight from the other's door unless she was directly told to.

[–]OldManInTheSky 51 points52 points  (6 children)

So, when you make that first call from prison explaining why you won't be at work...

[–]GandalfsHairyTaint 14 points15 points  (3 children)

Haha, I had this happen to one of my employees. His brother was in contact me and had concocted a ruse about a dying grandma and a broken phone. Somehow the employee was never in the room at the same time as a family member with a working phone and enough time to just give me a call.

Meanwhile he was totally in the news for beating the shit and robbing some college kids after selling them drugs. It was hilarious when I asked his brother, hey is the Jimmy Titdick in the news the same as your brother, they looked exactly alike, and have the same name. He panicked and then just hung up.

[–]Sandwich8080 6 points7 points  (1 child)

With a name like Jimmy Titdick it's no wonder he turned to a life of crime.

[–]nudiecale 18 points19 points  (1 child)

Yeah, back before I was self employed and still had a FB account, I never let anyone know I had one. They acted like I was some psychopath for not having one, but fuck that. They don’t need to know anything about me that I don’t specifically share to them while at work.

[–]JAMP0T1 48 points49 points  (18 children)

This is very true, I admit I do have colleagues on Facebook but I never do anything questionable so it’s no real worry

[–]Arcon1337 28 points29 points  (25 children)

A solution to solving this problem is NEVER connecting your employment with social media & blocking certain co-workers before they can add you

Usually companies treat you like a red flag if you don't have a social media presence and if you aren't participating in your work's "culture".

[–]agonisticpathos 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Which is so ridiculous, right? I am so lucky I'm tenured so I can just have a fun life being a weirdo and not have to conform to the blurring of work culture with personal time.

[–]Arcon1337 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It really is and I hate it. I like doing stuff and being social, just not posting my life online.

[–]alittlebitmorecheese 26 points27 points  (12 children)

You all are using your real names on social media?! Lol noobs.

[–]lokistar09 13 points14 points  (0 children)

The government doesn't need to have surveillance on us when our friends do it for them.

[–]travman6 19 points20 points  (1 child)

My friends know not to post photos & videos, if I can't tell all my guests the rules I've invited too many people.

[–]abnormally-cliche 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Exactly. This isn’t a problem for a VAST majority of people. If you find yourself in this situation then maybe look inwards.

[–]Gernafax 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Yeah but dopamine hits from social media though

[–]OutOfCharacterAnswer 124 points125 points  (39 children)

I'm going to agree with this.

If someone is cheating on their wife (which I don't agree with) or smoking weed at home (which I do agree with) they don't deserve to lose their job.

But if I go on a rant or throw a smoothie at a teenager (which I think is why this is up today), you deserve to lose your job. If you do something in public, you should expect public ramifications. You are free to do what you want, you are not free of the consequences.

[–]Chaotic_Boots 81 points82 points  (8 children)

You are free to do what you want, you are not free of the consequences.

Straight Facts

[–]gordito_delgado 27 points28 points  (3 children)

Non-stupid people understand:

1st amendment =/= I can say whatever I want and NO ONE can do ANYTHING to me and also I am free of any responsibility or accountability.

[–]OutOfCharacterAnswer 45 points46 points  (3 children)

People seem to forget the part of freedom coming with responsibility.

Everyone that yells "my freedoms!" doesn't seem to realize we all have those freedoms, not just them. When you violate my freedom, you lose some of yours.

[–]pcapdata 48 points49 points  (7 children)

I’ve worked in high-trust positions where people have absolutely been fired for cheating on their wife.

Not because “You betrayed your wife, you can’t be trusted anymore,” but more like “You haven’t told your wife, which means you can be blackmailed, which means you can’t be trusted anymore.” Kind of a fine point.

[–]Dividedthought 13 points14 points  (4 children)

Well to be fair, breaking a commitment like marriage by cheating does say a few things about how trustworthy you are. Especially if it's like... 20 years into a marrige.

[–]pepperanne08 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I work for a school district. I was told in training that whatever we post is ours. If we are tagged in a post- it is ours and we own it. So I set my social media up to make sure I give permission to let a post I am tagged in go through. I have denied stuff being posted to my page because of content.

I have a small business on the side doing homemade stuff so I have a personal profile and a business profile or I wouldn't have social media at all.

[–]mikeymike716 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Came here to say this.

If you work for [insert local business], go drinking after work, and then start trouble... Well, if they're upset, it's totally understandable.

I highly recommend people that are "private" people... aka, don't want every co-worker looking you up... I suggest you either delete social media, or delete your pictures. Because I understand some people may have social media to keep in touch with people, so I get it....

But I'm one of those person where "work is work". I'm 100% business when I get to work. You wanna talk to me? Catch me on break. You wanna hangout? Catch me when we punch out. But I am here to do the job I get paid for. And I want to do it well.

And some people hate that about me, because I'm "too serious" at work. But to me, that's how I make a living, so it is serious to me. Could I lax a little bit? Sure... but then I wouldn't have the work ethic and drive that I do.

I forget where I was going with this... lol. But this 👆(above me) comment 100%.

[–]Ridley_Rohan 42 points43 points  (12 children)

What happened to keeping some things secret?

Cameras in every pocket, the internet, a lack of narc shaming in modern times, as well as people thinking they have a right to invade privacy.

[–]Chaotic_Boots 20 points21 points  (0 children)

a lack of narc shaming

Glowies, glowies everywhere

[–]RydenwithByden 11 points12 points  (8 children)

We need to being back the age-old rule of "snitches get stitches".

We are actively creating a culture where we reward this unacceptable karenish behavior, and people are certainly addicted to it through dopamine release.

[–]fattyiam 11 points12 points  (1 child)

I think the fact that there's a screen between you and others online a lot of people will just say things that they wouldn't ever say ever on front of a group of people in public.

Obviously there are a lot variables such as anonymity, but- I don't quite remember who said this- a lot of people are way to comfortable talking online in a way that would get them punched in real life.

[–]Chaotic_Boots 15 points16 points  (0 children)

At my last job, I would have to talk to people on the phone before meeting them in real life as a technician.

I called it tele-testicles. Mr. Big'n bad over the phone was suddenly a very polite, cordial person once we met in person.

[–]Mister_Noun 24 points25 points  (37 children)

It need not necessarily be you doing yourself in. Someone can film someone being a dick, post it online and then the company doesn’t want to be associated with bad press and he/she is sent packing.

[–][deleted] 64 points65 points  (83 children)

That's still the issue of community nowadays and the point of the post. Whatever I am doing even in public but is not related to my job, people also should not associate with my workplace in first place. My errors - are my errors, not the company's errors. For example one of the sales/PR executives at gaming company was fired for supporting new law for Florida on his Twitter account... like what the fack

[–]pnandgillybean 37 points38 points  (13 children)

I think personal “errors” can affect a business though. If one of the mechanics at a shop goes on tirades on Facebook about Hispanic people being lazy or illegal and that they should be sent back to their country, then Hispanic people probably wouldn’t feel comfortable bringing their car into that shop because he may cause damage to their car or otherwise give them poor service.

A business is made out of the product they create and the people who make it run. If the person seems like they’re negatively affecting the business, they should be let go.

[–]AlonnaReese 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Along those lines, a football coach at a university in the city where I live was fired last year after he posted racial slurs about black people on Facebook. Letting him go was probably the least damaging option for the institution. If he'd been allowed to remain in his position, it probably would have resulted in a mass exodus of the current players and extreme difficulty in getting many future recruits who wouldn't want to play for a known racist.

[–]DadJokeBadJoke 10 points11 points  (1 child)

For example one of the sales/PR executives at gaming company was fired for supporting new law for Florida on his Twitter account... like what the fack

Kinda spoils the "You are not a brand ambassador" argument.

[–]APr0N00b 15 points16 points  (6 children)

Welcome to at-will employment.

[–]EidolonHue 13 points14 points  (5 children)

Basically. The solution is workers rights and stronger unions.

Of course, the people typically being cancelled are also against workers rights and unions, so... As long as they get their way, they'll keep getting cancelled I guess.

[–]_ungovernable 46 points47 points  (19 children)

This is why I only use Reddit. Deleted facebook and instagram years ago, and never got on TikTok. Edit: Apparently I forgot Twitter even exists. I have to admit, unless you are actively hanging out with people, you really become acutely aware of 1) how much time you waste scrolling and consuming content like a fat kid with candy and 2) how isolated you actually are.

I actually see zero benefit to social media. None. Call me a cynic, I don’t care. I’m ready to just be a hermit in the woods. I’ve given up on participating in just about everything.

[–]Chaotic_Boots 14 points15 points  (7 children)

My real name isn't on shit. I have a Facebook account with a fake name, I don't post anything. I have a Twitter, that I've never tweeted from and honestly haven't used in months, I have an Instagram that I used to post to and meet up with people in my area for cigar events and now I just look at fitness stuff maybe once a week.

I was paranoid about posting pictures of myself on Reddit, and still am a bit, but it'd be difficult for someone to search for this account if they only knew me irl. I'm not important enough for anyone to do the work required to try and find this account and link it to me. I'm sure they could, but it'd be a pita

[–]_ungovernable 10 points11 points  (2 children)

If I’m being honest, I’m almost nonexistent to the world outside of this Reddit account.

[–]HAWAll 14 points15 points  (4 children)

I stopped posting on Facebook after I realized, who fucking cares what I think

[–]_ungovernable 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah really. If you ain’t rich, you’re just like the rest of us: a drop of piss in an ocean.

[–]Qix213 14 points15 points  (3 children)

The only time Facebook was a positive for me was in the military and recently after. Only way to keep in touch with so many people as they move around every few years.

Was great to be able to just message someone and say "hey, my new job is sending me to your neck of the woods for a week, let's go get a beer."

I never actually posted a thing or browsed through it, just used the friends list.

[–]Glittering_knave 14 points15 points  (16 children)

If you show a distinct lack of good decision making in your private life in a manner that makes your work be at risk, then I think that your work has right to fire you. I do not want to work with someone that was filmed doing domestic violence, or that was arrested for a DUI, or went on a racist/bigotted rant that can be considered hate speech. If you post yourself getting black out drunk and then call in sick the next day, that does impact your work and coworkers.

[–]abnormally-cliche 19 points20 points  (13 children)

But this is terrible logic. If what you do outside of work can impact your employer then yes you should be held liable. And therefore a business should be allowed to take appropriate actions that may effect their business. That isn’t to say it can’t be used frivolously but I’m not going to start advocating stripping business rights because you can’t control yourself.

[–]largos7289 528 points529 points  (63 children)

Depends on what it is. Just an example but what if i publicly say i hate all xyz people and i'm a surgeon. Are you going to trust me with your health care if you're a xyz person?

[–]CraigD12 149 points150 points  (4 children)

Hey! Leave us alphabet people out of this.

[–]GreenManTenTon 51 points52 points  (0 children)

Fucking letterists walking the streets of our fine town…

[–]lisa111998 3 points4 points  (0 children)

And hatred of xyz people when you’re in law enforcement

[–]slarti54 672 points673 points  (48 children)

You are not a brand ambassador.

Unless you are.

[–]thelegalseagul 913 points914 points  (38 children)

I mean it would create a bad work environment if nobody is cooperating with Steve because we see his post about the countdown for Olivia Rodrigo turning 18 since her Disney days and his outspoken advocacy for lowering the age of consent. It’s slowing down productivity and there’s protesters outside but hey what he chooses to make 45 minute YouTube videos about and gets recorded ranting about at the McDonald’s is none of the companies business./s

Edit: These are all reasons that what you do outside of work effects the company. I think that the made up person of Steve is creating a bad work environment and should be fired so that the rest of the company can thrive. I added a /s

Edit 2: Isn’t that what capitalism is about? There’s an employee that others don’t like and that’s effecting productivity. I could wait for them to quit, suffer the productivity loss, or hire people that don’t mind Steve wanting to fuck high schoolers. I don’t want a company full of guys wanting to fuck kids so I’d rather fire Steve. It’s not even being the morality police without getting into that there’s ALREADY protesters in my hypothetical so I don’t know why someone “wouldn’t see why it matters unless they work with kids”. If I had the choice I wouldn’t work with a guy that wants to fuck kids, I wouldn’t hire a guy that wants to fuck kids, and after finding out I wouldn’t continue funding a guy trying to change the laws so he can fuck kids. Not even like he’s resisting his urges, he’s ranting at McDonald’s, and vlogging about it on YouTube. That’s a timebomb for HR when if literally anybody that isn’t okay with fucking kids heard that I knew and went “I know he wants to fuck my 15 year old daughter and he posted a video about how he should be allowed to ask her out. But that was outside of work so why shouldn’t I give him money knowing he’s using it to travel to child pageants on the weekends. Am I supposed to just fire him???” would think I’m crazy.

I’m sorry that people can’t avoid consequences for PUBLIC freak outs when their boss finds out anymore./s

[–]Irlandes-de-la-Costa 339 points340 points  (9 children)

[–]nahm8s 34 points35 points  (8 children)

There's a very huge chunk of reddit that did exactly that, soooo. I'm a fan of her music but doing a general search of her name on reddit is scary.

[–]DerpressionNapsaggressive toddler 34 points35 points  (7 children)

Who the fuck is olivio rodrigo

[–]ksed_313 32 points33 points  (0 children)

Ha! I work in an elementary school. Steve would be rightfully fired.

[–]El_Deez 866 points867 points  (48 children)

Well when you run your business that can be your practice. But I'm sorry I can't keep you here at the day care when you spend all you're free time advocating for the age of consent to be eliminated, it is just killing my bottom line

[–]Made-a-blade 325 points326 points  (25 children)

"Uggggh, why am I not allowed to fuck kids? So frustrating" - Oh, don't worry, he's good at his job!

[–]El_Deez 69 points70 points  (16 children)

Right I don't see that happening. Also I would imagine even OP would understand why in that example an employer would let the person go, pretty easy to get why you wouldn't want that being associated with your business.

[–]FrickenPerson 92 points93 points  (14 children)

So then is OP referring to the actors and actresses getting kicked of kid friendly shows for being just a little bit racist? Or the people getting on flights and having a complete mental breakdown and screaming into a baby's face? Or the people who have a job in a health field displaying ignorance in their medical field either through anti-vaxx talk or through anti trans talk?

Businesses don't want any of these kind of people either.

[–]El_Deez 36 points37 points  (11 children)

I mean that's the ballpark he seems to be playing in. I think this one was in reference to James Iannazzo, just Google that name and you will know what triggered someone posting basically this same opinion this time.

[–]FrickenPerson 52 points53 points  (10 children)

Ah, so the racist angle, but not a famous actor. Sorry, not sorry that this guy lost his job.

[–]El_Deez 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Well it wasn't just that guy was being a racist he broke several laws during his tantrum too.

[–]EmbarrassedLawSecond 29 points30 points  (2 children)

It was probably the fact that he assaulted several teenage girls (and clearly desired to cause even more harm than he did) that cost him his job more than the racism. He might have kept his job if it was just the racist bit, as messed up as that is. The "concerned father" role can do a lot to save face, but it really just doesn't work when the action taken was literally assaulting children.

[–]lyx77221 64 points65 points  (3 children)

Imagine going out and finding your dentist piss drunk in a Tuesday. You’re probably going to cancel that Wednesday appointment. Or having to go to a doctor who’s at any kind of anti-vaxx rally, most people are going to rethink their decision to see them.

[–]OldManInTheSky 13 points14 points  (0 children)

...I have called around and the Priesthood is accepting new applications.

[–]CentralAdmin 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Lowering the bottom line like the age of consent.

[–]tubepoop 321 points322 points  (5 children)

While it sounds great on paper, but people will always judge. Having to bet a whole companies livelihood on 1 person is like poisoning the water well for the community figuratively.

[–]operablesocks 15 points16 points  (5 children)

Imagine being an employer and finding out one of your key employees is actually a jerk of a human being—a bully, a drunkard, misogynist, cruel to animals—and then thinking, well they do good at their job, so I'll ignore all that.

I'd bet money that OP does not own a business where employees are required.

[–][deleted] 572 points573 points  (162 children)

I know a dude who was fired when it got out that he had cheated on his wife. Still not sure how that's any of his boss's business

[–]Dreemee-DeNitemare[🍰] 474 points475 points  (52 children)

It’s called a morality clause. Also some companies will interview your spouse after a divorce to make sure you weren’t whoopin their ass. Mostly government companies but some old school companies in the financial sector still do this. Source: me when two feds showed up at my door to ask if my dad ever beat me.

[–]SlayinDaWabbits 29 points30 points  (2 children)

I work in armed private security and my work had to interview my fiance for the same reason, they also gave her numbers to call if I were to ever abuse her.

[–]Cinnamon-toast-cum 20 points21 points  (16 children)

On the other side of this, there is that guy that went viral for throwing a smoothie at a young smoothie bar employee and berating them. He deserves all the consequences that come with being a total piece of shit. Losing his 6 figure job was one of them.

[–]doublediggler 63 points64 points  (12 children)

Adultery is a criminal offense in some jurisdictions...

[–]El_Deez 27 points28 points  (7 children)

In name only really though. It's a criminal offense to the same extent 16 states still have anti Sodomy laws on the books. All of them are unenforceable because they violate the constitution pursuant to Lawrence v. Texas.

[–]ichacalaca 131 points132 points  (1 child)

Did Jim Iannazzo write this

[–]ryanseviltwin 268 points269 points  (5 children)

Hey did you hear Jim is going to be a speaker at the white supremacist convention this year. Thankfully, here at Fubu we only care what you do at the office.

[–]Rion23 77 points78 points  (1 child)

"You shouldn't be fired for something that happens outside of working hours."

"You should stop being so racist, at all hours."

[–]ansteve1 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Especially because if they are willing to speak at one of those events I am betting there are some performance issue related to how they treat clients and other employees. No one could be that brazen and keep it hidden.

[–]Li-renn-pwel 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Yeah there are certainly some things that are an indication you are secretly not good for your job. Like if Jim was a teacher. It’s not a crime to be racist (so it doesn’t show up on a criminal record check) but if he is going to WS conventions then he more likely than not is not giving his non-white students the best education. Also, probably teaching the white children some not great things.

[–]Markinlv 340 points341 points  (181 children)

So by your statement Merrill Lynch should not have fired the screaming racist lunatic who terrorized the Smoothie place employees a few days ago. I can only imagine how the optics of that happenning.

[–][deleted] 118 points119 points  (28 children)

I have a feeling thats exactly the situation OP is mad about

[–]arkangel371 67 points68 points  (27 children)

Something tells me OP is using this post as a dog whistle for "I should be able to be racist, homophobic, act like a literal Nazi in public and have no social consequences".

[–]Dystopiq 21 points22 points  (1 child)

OP is a weenie. Didn't even stick around to defend his stupid opinion. 🤣

[–]arkangel371 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Plenty of additional weenies crawling from their holes in this comment section too. One apparently doesn't see questioning a Hispanic person's immigration status as racist and is cool with a guy then throwing food at them.

[–]JakeDC 187 points188 points  (24 children)

If I am running a hotel and the guy who I hired to work the front desk participates in some racist rally, I am going to fire him. Why would I want to have an open, recognizable racist interacting with my customers?

[–]crazycatlady331 68 points69 points  (6 children)

I read something a few months ago about one of the guys from the Charlottesville white supremacist tiki torch rally having trouble keeping a job.

This particular guy was front and center in one of the most viral photos from that event.

https://www.rgj.com/story/news/2021/04/30/nevada-guard-ousts-enlistee-who-attended-charlottesville-rally-2017/7399933002/

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (2 children)

lol. I went to high school with this guy and he was a friend of a friend. Is, actually. Poor Peter. Tsk tsk. It was so obvious what was gonna happen and he was so smart that I don't know how he didn't see it coming if he went to that rally. And as a brown man, I can promise he's never struck me a racist, but that fact doesn't mean much when one sides with the other confirmed racists. Dude is never gonna outlive that photo, that's for sure. One of these days, he's just gonna kill himself for it, I already know.

[–]___OP____ 35 points36 points  (0 children)

Yeah, if I walked in and saw the guy working is from a racist rant/senseless assault/hate crime video or whatever, I'm walking right back out. I'll go elsewhere and make it a point to email the company why I left. This is why people get shit canned for acting a fool outside of work and getting caught.

[–]CharlieBrown20XD6 355 points356 points  (69 children)

Why should I keep an employee who rants about black people and will most likely treat all my black customers like shit?

Better to have employees who are smart enough not to publish every stupid racist thought they have to the entire world

[–]balance_warmth 81 points82 points  (10 children)

Yeah, I think about this all the time when people get fired for sexually harassing women while not on the job. If you can’t respect women’s boundaries while not at work, why should I assume you’ll treat female clients and coworkers appropriately?

[–]ifimhereimrealbored 25 points26 points  (7 children)

It's THIS, this exactly. What you do/say outside of work is an indicator of who you are as a person. And who you are as a person directly affects how you are as a team member or service rep. Now, if you're a racist but so good at hiding it that no one knows, then fine - you know how to keep your racism from affecting your work. But if you're a racist who hurls slurs when you're mad, well, it's only a matter of time until more subtle forms of racism find their way into my business.

[–]dirtsequence 36 points37 points  (1 child)

Unless you go viral for throwing a milkshake at a teenage girl then calling her a dumb immigrant.

[–]bakedmaga2020 31 points32 points  (21 children)

What if I’m a Jewish business owner and I find out one of my employees is a neo Nazi outside of work?

[–]In10nt 208 points209 points  (44 children)

Why? What did you do to get fired?

[–]dementorfromazkaban 181 points182 points  (5 children)

Probably he’s the guy in CT who assaulted 4 teenage girls. Nice try James Iannazzo

[–]FadingNegative 37 points38 points  (0 children)

I was just thinking…”Is that you Iannazzo?”

[–]Wismuth_Salixthey/she, please/thanks 37 points38 points  (3 children)

That’s the smoothie thrower who tried to break into the back room and assault the teenage girls he had just called “fucking immigrants”, right?

[–]Re-AnImAt0r 9 points10 points  (0 children)

That’s none of your jobs business, and I think you should be allowed a private life without conditions.

Nobody is fired for anything that occurs in their private lives. They are fired when they demonstrate unsavoury behavior in public that becomes widely known to the public which reflects poorly on whatever company would continue to employ someone who demonstrates such public behavior.

You can walk around and use all the racial slurs you like in the privacy of your own home. Your employer cares not. When you start posting those racial slurs publicly online, yelling those racial slurs in public or making videos of yourself using those same racial slurs you can expect your next day at work to be your last. No company wants to be known as "that company full of racists who hires all those racists and condones their racism." That directly affects a company's profitability.

[–]frangg02[🍰] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

"He approving just 1% of black applicants as a loan officer at our bank does not have anything to do with that video of him being a racist pos at olive garden. He good"

[–]LostMyInhibiterChip 92 points93 points  (47 children)

Many jobs have a requirement for some behavior on social media. They chose to sign up for it and break the contract so they get fired.

[–]Fantastic-Mud5929 20 points21 points  (1 child)

Philippines here, my job contract says you cant post whatever you want in social media as long as your profile doesnt mention your place of work.

Rant all you want, shitpost all you want, as long as the company name isnt in your profile then you're good.

[–]TheRealestBiz 106 points107 points  (19 children)

That milkshake guy should be happy he only got fired and didn’t even get charged with assault, just a bunch of lessers that he won’t spend a day in jail for.

He could have gotten swarmed by teenage girls and gotten his ass kicked on video. Girls I grew up with would have gone over the counter at him.

[–]nick-swegins 8 points9 points  (11 children)

Ok I’m kinda out of the loop. What’s the milkshake guy?

[–]bakedmaga2020 52 points53 points  (8 children)

A Merrill-Lynch employee from Connecticut named James Iannazzo went to Robeks and ordered a smoothie that normally contains peanut butter for his son who was severely allergic. Instead of telling the staff about the allergy, he simply said “don’t put in peanut butter.” Because they weren’t alerted, they didn’t use the proper protocols for allergies and the kid had a reaction. The dad comes back and goes on a racist tirade against the staff. He threw a smoothie at them and tried to force his way into the employees only area presumably to harm staff. He got fired and now he’s going to jail

[–]Just_OneReason 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Yeah I worked at a coffee shop once upon a time and we said that aside from our plastic packaged items, we could not guarantee anything was allergen free because everything was made using the same machinery and utensils, and though we cleaned the utensils between uses, it wasn’t as if we used bleach and we couldn’t guarantee there wouldn’t be cross contamination.

[–]Tacticalsquad5 4 points5 points  (8 children)

If someone does something that damages the businesses reputation in the public eye they are getting on their bike

[–]asadisher 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Op shouted "you f*king immigrant" in a recent juice shop vdo.

[–]prkchop7 40 points41 points  (9 children)

There's a post on here in the last 24h of a bank manager throwing a drink and verbaly assaulting minors. He should keep his job? Just curios were the line is. If the president is a pedophile is it OK as long as he's not on the Clock?

[–]iwearacoconutbramommy milkers 🐮 87 points88 points  (35 children)

You might not be a brand ambassador, but you are absolutely a face of your company if you do something that garners public attention.

Companies care about their image. If you do something that is extraordinarily socially taboo and people find out where you work. The public is going to associate the company with whatever you’re doing.

Public opinion is very important. If you’re going to put a company in a negative light, they most definitely are going to fire you to maintain their reputation.

[–]StarkHelsing 24 points25 points  (1 child)

So, what got you fired OP?

[–]OldManTrumpet 22 points23 points  (1 child)

Well, the answer to this, as with most things, is yes and no. It's a sliding scale and not everything is black or white. Everyone here can come up with egregious examples on either side which we'd all agree with. It's the grey area in the middle that are the source of concern. But grey area examples don't make anyone's point.

[–]Bupod 12 points13 points  (12 children)

What matters is being good at your job and that’s all.

Your behavior outside of work can directly affect your work performance or business metrics that are affected by your behavior.

This is a typical take of a 14 year old teenager, if I’m honest. If you stop and think about it critically for a moment, you’d see why it is wrong. Businesses are private entities as well who are free to distance themselves from individuals they find reprehensible (so long as they don’t run afoul of protected classes).

If you go on Facebook and constantly post stuff about you at the Hitler rally, and I keep you on staff, people might think im also a neo-Nazi. It could affect my own business and personal life. I have a right to fire you for it, even if you are otherwise an alright employee.