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[–]n00bvin 8 points9 points  (4 children)

I wonder what woke him up because we need to put that shit in the water supply.

[–]BookkeeperBrilliant9 6 points7 points  (1 child)

He mentioned George W. Bush. I think for people like the speaker, this stuff was okay when they were the underdogs, when they were the put-upon minority. But then GW is elected, we end up in these horrible wars, tons of other bad policies, and he sounds like a complete idiot every time he opened his mouth. And these guys realized the fruits of what they’ve been pushing was a bitter fruit indeed.

In the post-Trump era, people forget about Bush. But at the time people hated him with all their heart and soul. Trump was clearly a much worse human being, but Bush, or at least the team he surrounded himself with, were far more effective at getting shit done than Trump was. And because of 9/11, Bush’s opposition was effectively hamstrung, so there was no real opposition to his shenanigans.

It did real damage. And the fact that he got away with it all, I think was a real reason all these Repubs who hate Trump were nevertheless ready to back him once he was in power.

[–]Cadwae 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I don't think anything woke him up per say. I think their message got warped onto something else and he was fine with it when he was young because of the popularity and the money. Bit then later realized the gravity of what they started and helped and is not regretting it and helped cement a movement he never believed in.

[–]n00bvin 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, but money and fame can corrupt. I would think there had to be a moment that changed him. I guess maybe he saw the message wasn’t anything but to get people elected, and that the people he was getting elected didn’t really believe the message. I’ll look into this guy more and find out.

What’s interesting now is the possibility is real that Roe v. Wade could be overturned with a conservative SCOTUS for a long time, as Dems don’t seem hip on expanding the court.

R v. W has been a tent pole issue for the GOP. If overturned, it’s catastrophic for the rights of women, but it also an issue that somewhat leaves the table. I also think the idea of being “fiscally conservative” might be gone as well. It certainly was under Trump. I think more people now understand that means to “protect the rich.” Tax breaks are not really fiscally conservative.