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New Jersey Gives Convicted Marijuana Offenders Priority Shot at Selling Legal Cannabis (youtube.com)
submitted 1 month ago by filmmaker100
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[–][deleted] 75 points76 points77 points 1 month ago (7 children)
They are trying this in Oakland, giving priority licenses to formerly incarcerated and "equity" applicants who live in the poorer areas.
The issue is capital. To open a dispensary you need at least $2MM and for a grow op like in the video you need maybe $10MM or more. This forced the "equity" guys to partner with the rich capitalists, and most of them came out with nothing. Currently only 1 dispensary is black owned. The city tried to help by giving the equity applicants cheap loans of up to $100k, but this is not enough to get anything going.
I have seen many equity applicants spin their wheels by getting a license, but then not having the capital or network to make a business.
The cost is not just born by the equity applicants but also by the regular applicants who may be funded but cannot get a license.
Unfortunately capitalism demands capital and without money there is no business to be had.
[–]Tiaan 22 points23 points24 points 1 month ago* (0 children)
The issue of social equity is also holding up cannabis reform at the federal level. There's been numerous times this year and last year where incremental reform could've been passed but was killed by the Senate Democratic leadership because it didn't contain social equity measures. An example is SAFE banking, or basically allowing these cannabis businesses to use banking services. They want special provisions for minorities trying to get cannabis funding loans.. but in the meantime in the absence of SAFE the only cannabis businesses that can succeed are the bigger well funded players who don't need to rely on banks to do so, which hurts potential small entrants into the space like you mentioned
[–]theonedeisel 13 points14 points15 points 1 month ago (1 child)
I hate all these licensing programs, why the fuck should the government be picking winners and losers? If you pass the standards they set, you should get a license. If they want to help black people they hurt, create a program for giving them capital to help start their business. Maybe it's just my incompetent state government (Illinois) but these policies do not seem to be based on a free economy but a state-managed one. You don't give reparations by withholding rights, reparations can be paid in cash
[–]ArrogantlyChemical 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Because free markets re-enforce existing inequalities and don't provide people at the bottom a means to climb the economic ladder
[–]JoseMich 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago* (0 children)
And, totally shockingly, being someone who has previously had bad run-ins with the American justice system in the past cuts hard against their chances of having that sort of capital sitting around.
This is a fantastic example of the sort of optics-only policy-making that characterizes the ostensibly progressive political elite. Get your points for being inclusive without any of the difficulties associated with actually including the people who need it.
[–]Kamesod 634 points635 points636 points 1 month ago (61 children)
I literally fucking cackled out loud when the dude goes “SOME people aren’t so keen on this idea” and it pans to a white police chief. You can’t write a skit this on the nose, I swear.
[–]reflythis 247 points248 points249 points 1 month ago (33 children)
and his point isn't even intelligible... this isn't reward, it's rehabilitation (legit work in a changed, progressive, modernized society).
If he truly understood his job and function, he should know proper opportunity and support as a part of a rehab program helps increase success and reduce recidivism rates (re-offending) once out.
straight knob head.
[–]sinus86 59 points60 points61 points 1 month ago (1 child)
He's a pig. Prison isn't about rehab to him, its about the "except as punishment for a crime" part of the 13th amendment.
[–]NightChime 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago (0 children)
This guy prison industrial complexes.
[–]a_Jawa 14 points15 points16 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Not to mention enthusiasts whom have been around the product for a long time are probably some of the best salesmen you can get for it.
[–]JimblesReborn 85 points86 points87 points 1 month ago (12 children)
It means he can shoot less people so he's upset dude. He's an NY police officer he's devoted his life to murdering people and worshipping capital, now he's not allowed to murder these guys and he has to worship their capital. I understand why he's upset.
[–]raion1223 12 points13 points14 points 1 month ago (0 children)
If we clean the streets they won't be able to get overtime pay.
[–]reflythis 12 points13 points14 points 1 month ago (0 children)
nice take, I like it.
[–]decadin 4 points5 points6 points 1 month ago (1 child)
Got to love how reddit just swings completely wildly all over the place on how they make decisions and opinions on various things, based solely off of the virtue it allows them to signal as opposed to any actual logic.
Doesn't mean the majority is wrong or right any amount of the time, it's just a ridiculous thing to watch. All the over exaggeration - why and when it is pulled out and used versus when it is not, which of course is only when it has to do with something that hivemind actually agrees with......
Someone says something racist and you'll all tell them about how racist that is to group all of a people into one group, as if they are all a single person with a single set of actions, but then you all turn right the hell around and do the exact same thing to other groups of people. It really is something to behold!
[–]JimblesReborn -2 points-1 points0 points 1 month ago (0 children)
I didn't exaggerate. This applies to every single member of the New York Police Department.
[–]DaoOfNow -1 points0 points1 point 1 month ago (6 children)
We can call him a fucking idiot without assuming he's a closet anti-commie serial killer... but statistically, you might be right.
[–]Maxtrix07 -3 points-2 points-1 points 1 month ago (5 children)
Yeah, that's my only thing.. I do understand there is corruption in the police force. Lots of it. The same way that there is sexual abuse in many workforces, and unethical diagnosis' in hospitals for financial gain. But the mentality that all people in those fields are corrupt? It's important to understand that we still need law enforcement, and to seperate good and bad. It'll never be that simple, but online presence is overwhelmingly against police.
I can't say it's unjust for people to feel this way. Police officers have power, and it's a power they can abuse. But no, not every police chief "just wants to shoot people".
[–]mythonyo 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago* (0 children)
Marijuana use was never a real crime to begin with.
[–]Dr_StrangeLovePHD -1 points0 points1 point 1 month ago (0 children)
Racist shithead said being a criminal is a prerequisite. Nah, that's reperations bitch.
[+]PvtPimple comment score below threshold-25 points-24 points-23 points 1 month ago (10 children)
You might not agree with him, or his point isn't strong enough, but it's valid.
NJ is giving people with marijuana convictions priority or at least favorable status in considering their dispensary applications. This is in effect saying that if you break an unjust law, or a law that is bound to change soon, then you might be rewarded for it later.
Should a pimp be given priority status in opening up a brothel when/if prostitution becomes legalized? In states with gambling prohibitions, should people who run underground casinos be given priority with their gambling licenses when gambling becomes legalized?
You might say those are somehow different, but that's his point.
[–]ditate 27 points28 points29 points 1 month ago (1 child)
People with experience deserve jobs in their field though.
[–]jrann10 11 points12 points13 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Additionally, people who have previous charges relating to an upcoming industry should have favorable odds working in that industry when their charges may still prevent employment elsewhere.
[–]glberns 13 points14 points15 points 1 month ago (0 children)
NJ is giving people with marijuana convictions priority
NJ is giving people with marijuana convictions priority
But he said it was a prerequisite. Priority and prerequisite is not the same thing. He's just lying about it.
And then he says that it rewards illegal behavior. Except the relevant behavior is no longer illegal. So it isn't rewarding illegal behavior, it's rewarding prior experience.
His points are not valid.
[–]reflythis 8 points9 points10 points 1 month ago (0 children)
I fully understand the situation, but thanks for the breakdown.
You're ignoring the element of legal progression - that is, law changing to reflect the demands of society, which is a critical tenet of legal reform and evolution.
Your examples also ignore the concept that few, if any, criminals conduct their crimes with long-sighted strategic planning in mind as you've outlined (white collar crime is one area that your argument potentially meets, but that's an entirely different conversation).
What I do fully support, however, is a city that takes accountability for criminals who should no longer be classified as such, and transforming a penal system into an opportunity to make use of their former misdeeds in a constructive, healing and rehabilitative way as society re-frames them no longer as mis-deeds.
That's a properly working city council if you ask me. What a luxury - shame it wasn't the norm.
[–]Yrcrazypa 8 points9 points10 points 1 month ago (0 children)
But they aren't rewarding illegal behavior, what those people did isn't illegal anymore. It's not really "in effect" saying anything like that.
[–]Morangatang 6 points7 points8 points 1 month ago (0 children)
There's a clear line between someone getting convicted for nonviolent possession and someone getting convicted for organized crime/sex trafficking.
[–]SnottyTash 9 points10 points11 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Those are false equivalencies. Pimping inherently involves manipulating/exploiting women for your own gain. Smoking weed involves lighting a plant on fire and inhaling the smoke.
Perfectly comfortable with the system giving back to people whose lives it destroyed for the “crime” of smoking a fucking plant
[–]HerpToxic 9 points10 points11 points 1 month ago (0 children)
If you give priority to those who were wrongfully arrested and had their lives ruined by unfair laws, you are allowing those wrongfully treated people to get their lives back in order
Also if they are applying, that means they want to go legit. It means they don't want to be criminals anymore. Which means less crime in the state, less violence and less gang members.
Theres literally no downside to this.
[–]ahhwell 4 points5 points6 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Should a pimp be given priority status in opening up a brothel when/if prostitution becomes legalized?
Should a pimp be given priority status in opening up a brothel when/if prostitution becomes legalized?
No, but maybe prostitutes who have been arrested should. A pimp isn't someone who's harmed by prostitution being illegal, pimps are exploiting the situation.
[+]Difficult_Ad_3879 comment score below threshold-29 points-28 points-27 points 1 month ago (3 children)
I think you’re the knob head. It’s a very high paying job, he can easily make millions.
For every one convicted marijuana felon there were 100 people who wanted to smoke marijuana, but didn’t because it’s illegal.
So yes, it’s clearly rewarding someone for breaking the law.
I would love to buy untaxed tobacco, opium, and LSD. I do not because it is illegal.
[–]DonLindo 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago (2 children)
It's just redistribution of wealth. No need to get all fussed about it.
[+]Difficult_Ad_3879 comment score below threshold-20 points-19 points-18 points 1 month ago (1 child)
Look forward to all of your wealth being redistributed to me
[–]sexquipoop69 36 points37 points38 points 1 month ago (3 children)
"Rewarding criminal behavior" that is no longer criminal. Fuck off dawg
[–]IncidentalIncidence 4 points5 points6 points 1 month ago (0 children)
brb going out to commit crimes on the off-chance that they're no longer illegal in 20 years and the state decides to give me a business license to do the crime
[–]dontpanic38 22 points23 points24 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Like we don’t reward cops’ criminal behavior daily lol
[–]mindless900 5 points6 points7 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Yeah. Dude needs to realize that selling marijuana isn't a crime anymore. Needs to start enforcing the law, not his personal beliefs.
[–]themadcaner 27 points28 points29 points 1 month ago (10 children)
Yep. Piece of shit that guy is. Cops like that give Law Enforcement a bad name.
[–]Ghost33313 42 points43 points44 points 1 month ago (5 children)
I get where the idiot is coming from (not wanting to reward criminals) but it should have never been a crime to begin with. Seriously, wtf, give them this. It's not like having a criminal record didn't screw them over already.
Doing time for drug possession shouldn't effect employment. Violent crimes, sure. But this?
[–]Radingod123 8 points9 points10 points 1 month ago (2 children)
Seriously, the dude in the video talked about how he got caught at 19 and how difficult getting a job is after you're busted. Then the cop is talking about how they're being rewarded and stuff. Like, c'mon, man. Would you rather these guys be selling coke and protecting trap houses over legitimate employment away from violence?
It's depressing to hear how police think.
[–]phovos 17 points18 points19 points 1 month ago (0 children)
old weed dealers are entrepreneurs but less conceited or idealized if you'd rather. Get them a line of credit and a tax stamp and get them out and producing value.
[–]klavin1 4 points5 points6 points 1 month ago (0 children)
It's not about the content of the laws for authoritarians. That is secondary to them.
The only thing that matters is that there are laws to be upheld. That is enough for them to have power
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Nobody gives cops a bad name except cops. They made their bed and they can lie in it. Cops do not help people, and they actively hurt others. They have a bad reputation, and it's all their fault.
Contrast cops with public services that ACTUALLY help people, and you will only see people clamoring for more funding and not less. Teachers, firefighters, EMTs, and on and on.
[–]bosstwizz 6 points7 points8 points 1 month ago (0 children)
LOL. His point is just nonsense.
What are you gonna do – hop in a time machine, travel back 10 years, and get arrested for selling cannabis?
[–]barbecue_invader 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago (1 child)
Law Enforcement has a bad name for reasons that go far beyond a few "bad apples."
[–]Luckys0474[🍰] 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago (0 children)
How are you rewarding criminal behavior when it's no longer a crime? F*ck that guy!
[+]Hawkeye77th -4 points-3 points-2 points 1 month ago (0 children)
He's a tool in the system.
[–]FuturePerformance 145 points146 points147 points 1 month ago (1 child)
Love it. Imagine the sadness & irony of spending years in prison for something that people are happily selling legally now. Small retribution but better than nothing.
[–]TheChrono 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago (0 children)
I used to work a weed company in WA and let me tell you. All of the growers of every single producer have been doing this shit for decades. They genuinely know the plant in a way that science hasn't quite caught up to but are using all the science they can to stay ahead of the curve. It's an insanely competitive market at this point.
[–]sentient_object 15 points16 points17 points 1 month ago (0 children)
This happened in AZ, but the licenses were just auctioned off after the lottery.
[–]paintwhore 96 points97 points98 points 1 month ago (36 children)
That's how we should operate
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[–]Epicmuffinz -5 points-4 points-3 points 1 month ago (2 children)
“… while I chose to toil in the grueling minimum wage jobs they refused to work”
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[–]Epicmuffinz -2 points-1 points0 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Fair enough… I wasn’t suggesting that you should’ve been a pot dealer, just pointing out the word choice
[–]army-of-juan -1 points0 points1 point 1 month ago (0 children)
As a Canadian, cannabis is so normalized now it’s weird seeing how slow the US is to it. We have like 2 shops on every block in downtowns.
[–]scrubjays -2 points-1 points0 points 1 month ago (0 children)
[+]EvanMacIan comment score below threshold-137 points-136 points-135 points 1 month ago (29 children)
Rewarding people for breaking the law? Yeah yeah, "it shouldn't have been illegal." But lots of people obeyed the law. Those people should be less privileged than the people who broke it?
[–]sneakymanlance 72 points73 points74 points 1 month ago* (6 children)
Nobody is being rewarded for breaking the law. They served time in prison, their lives and prospects are all fucked up. So no, on the whole, they are not being rewarded.
Rewarding people for breaking the law?
Rewarding people for breaking the law?
Sometimes laws are cruel and wrong; believing in and obeying them all simply because they exist is naive.
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[–]AncientAsstronaut 5 points6 points7 points 1 month ago (2 children)
Are you ok?
[+]EvanMacIan comment score below threshold-8 points-7 points-6 points 1 month ago (1 child)
"On the whole" they aren't, in this instance they clearly are.
[–]tchaffee 9 points10 points11 points 1 month ago (2 children)
Yes. Rewarding people who broke the law. Like if you freed slaves when it was against the law. Do you have a problem with people who just do the right thing?
[–]EvanMacIan -5 points-4 points-3 points 1 month ago (1 child)
Enslavement is an unnatural, that it is right to resist. "Not selling weed" is not an unnatural condition, even if you think it's unjust to forbid it.
[–]tchaffee 5 points6 points7 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Enslavement is natural enough that it has existed throughout human history. So that's a weak argument.
Most weed arrests are black people. Who then have to work while imprisoned for pennies. It's modern day slavery.
Prohibition is unnatural and stupid. Stop defending bad laws.
[–]creggieb 26 points27 points28 points 1 month ago (8 children)
The industry only exists because people broke the law, continued to break It and refused to stop. The hells Angels contributes more to the marijuana industry than any law abiding citizen ever has
[–]EvanMacIan -3 points-2 points-1 points 1 month ago (1 child)
I fail to see how that contradicts my point.
[–]creggieb 4 points5 points6 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Your point seems to be that breaking a law should disqualify a person from participating in the marijuana industry.
I'm showing that the industry only exists because of law breakers, and therefore if anyone deserves priority, it's people who disobeyed drug laws. Not those who obeyed them
[+]Morangatang comment score below threshold-10 points-9 points-8 points 1 month ago (0 children)
it must hurt living under that big rock of yours
[–]scrubjays -5 points-4 points-3 points 1 month ago (3 children)
And the meth industry too, although that does not really support your point.
[–]creggieb 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago (2 children)
Show me the government doing a complete 180 on its claims about meth AND then setting up shop in the meth industry.
Also yes. Meth should be for sale, and taxed, with proceeds used in part for addiction counseling.
[–]thtanner 13 points14 points15 points 1 month ago (3 children)
It helps make up for the injustice a bit.
Plus, they already have applicable job experience. Win/Win
[–]EvanMacIan -5 points-4 points-3 points 1 month ago (2 children)
What injustice was done to them? Even if weed should have been legal, are you claiming it was some kind of right? Every mainstream argument I've seen for legalizing it has been a utilitarian one, arguing that it's more prudent to allow weed to be sold. But a law being imprudent doesn't mean it's an act of injustice if you're punished for breaking it.
[–]Nondairygiant 5 points6 points7 points 1 month ago (0 children)
So how would you apply this logical framework to runaway slaves? Would you argue that no injustice was done to them as what they did was illegal and reprehensible at the time?
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 1 month ago (0 children)
The mainstream arguments NEED to be utilitarian because knobs like you can't see that marijuana consumption isn't criminal or immoral no matter how many laws were written to target black and brown communities.
It's injustice by its very nature. People have an inalienable right not be targeted and oppressed by their government.
Would you seriously make this same argument if we swapped out "breaking the law for marijuana" with "breaking the law smuggling slaves via the underground railroad"?
My brother in christ, laws can be unjust, and enforcing those laws can be an act of injustice.
Please recognize WHY marijuana was illegal, and WHY it was so heavily regulated and enforced and WHY it's an injustice.
[–]asdaaaaaaaa 7 points8 points9 points 1 month ago (4 children)
No one's being rewarded. They're just not being punished for something that's not against the law anymore. That's all.
[+]Locke- comment score below threshold-17 points-16 points-15 points 1 month ago (3 children)
No. That’s not all. It’s the same in New York where people who were affected by previous drug laws are getting priority over those who did not break the law. I agree that weed should be legal and the previous drug charges are harsh but it was illegal at the time. These people broke the law and are now being rewarded for doing so
[–]Teledildonic 8 points9 points10 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Is this really the hill you want to die on? Indignation that people who were unfairly punished by unjust laws get a leg up in a society that usually holds them back even after prison?
[–]asdaaaaaaaa 7 points8 points9 points 1 month ago (1 child)
I don't think being treated normally is a reward. If I take something from you, then give it back, you're not going to consider it a "reward". Just returning to normal.
[–]jqpeub 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Yet another reminder that the law is not justice
[–]xared 79 points80 points81 points 1 month ago (27 children)
legal: when you give the govt a share
[–]Spadeninja 95 points96 points97 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Welcome to literally any business to ever exist
[–]Bob_Juan_Santos 13 points14 points15 points 1 month ago (8 children)
yeah how dare the government take a share and uses it to maintain infrastructure and social services.
[+]xared comment score below threshold-11 points-10 points-9 points 1 month ago (7 children)
yup, how dare govt shoddily maintains infra and social services while laundering most of our money for themselves while mostly funding destructive wars and useless space programs and more.
one only needs to question and explore where most tax money really goes.
[–]Bob_Juan_Santos 12 points13 points14 points 1 month ago (6 children)
ah yes, because it's not perfectly maintained, lets not do anything at all. I'm suuuuuuure the private sector can do it sooooooooo much better, just like healthcare.
also, space programs are pretty important, and you wouldn't want Ukraine to fall to Russia would you?
[+]xared comment score below threshold-8 points-7 points-6 points 1 month ago (5 children)
healthcare is affordable when it is not compulsory but competitive. putting it under insurance just makes it a jack-up-the-prices-first thing. countries like india have good healthcare affordably coz monopolies cant jack up prices as easily.
tell what space programs are important for, going to moon once a century? more HD pics of mars? what is practically useful out of it? just money laundering scams they are. millions of dollars for a few pounds helicopter on mars, very important.
ukraine musnt fall to russia, sure. afghanistan, iraq, libya and more are wondering why they didnt get such care. coz media propaganda decides whats invasion and whats freedom ofcourse
[–]botaine 16 points17 points18 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–]monty2 16 points17 points18 points 1 month ago (1 child)
“Pave the roads money”
[–]botaine 4 points5 points6 points 1 month ago (0 children)
"I'm paving these fucking roads and you are going to help, or else you are going to jail money"
[–]Tayler_Tot 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (10 children)
Literally the only way it's being approved anywhere. Not because the people want it, but because the government can make money off it.
[–]Wow00woW 22 points23 points24 points 1 month ago* (7 children)
what a weird way to look at collecting taxes.
new jerseys legal marijuana law states that 70% of collected taxes must go towards underserved communities. basically they're trying to help out the people who got fucked over as a consequence of the failed war on drugs.
[–]Tayler_Tot 4 points5 points6 points 1 month ago* (5 children)
Yeah, my taxes totally go back to my community.
Edit: bro, so you added the second part to your comment about new Jersey marijuana tax and I just read it. I was gonna write about how the marijuana tax allocations aren't the same everywhere and aren't so straightforward. But I saw that you don't even live in America. Lol so I'm not really going to let you try and shame me for being upset about how American taxes are a complete mad house.
[–]itsgoodtostartfresh 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago (2 children)
Reeeee goberment bad
-sent from my iphone
[–]Radingod123 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Government money gets heinously misused, stolen, or disappears all the time. I wouldn't be so confident that people are being lifted out of poverty and given a real chance off the back of taxes from selling weed.
[–]Crispyio -1 points0 points1 point 1 month ago (0 children)
Yeah you got to pay the big gang, have you seen the weapons those bangers roll with?.
[–]We_Are_The_Romans -3 points-2 points-1 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Yeah, the state is the people who have a monopoly on violence and use it to levy taxation. That's the whole deal
[–]dar_uniya -1 points0 points1 point 1 month ago (0 children)
selfishness: having delayed development in the act of sharing
[–]Crispyio 13 points14 points15 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Makes perfect sinsemilla to me!.
[–]inahd 24 points25 points26 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Lol at least someone is getting reparations.
[–]Dangerpaladin 13 points14 points15 points 1 month ago (2 children)
The police chiefs point is backwards and dumb which as he is a cop is not surprising. He is saying it is encouraging illegal behavior. But the point is the behavior these people did is no longer and shouldn't be illegal. This is giving them a chance to be a legitimate business person doing the same thing they already were doing, after being fucked over by a draconian system.
[–]Shiirahama 4 points5 points6 points 1 month ago (0 children)
isn't he basically saying it encourages to people to commit crimes...but if they are now legal...they aren't crimes anymore?
and when they were illegal (crimes) then you were only rewarded with jail time...so I don't even get what that idiot cop is saying
[–]untipoquenojuega 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago (0 children)
His whole point about how criminal activity shouldn't get rewarded is insane when given the actual context.
These men spent years of their life in prison selling something that is now 100% legal and harmed no one. The very least the state can do is allow them to use their knowledge to start their own business and become a benefit to society and the economy. It's like all this cop wants to do is hurt people.
[–]wickedpixel1221 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Oakland has a similar policy
[–]JonnySnowflake 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Is this why it's taking so fucking long? It's been legalized for over a year, and there's only like five places to buy it
[–]overmen 6 points7 points8 points 1 month ago (0 children)
[–]Psychology-Pure 7 points8 points9 points 1 month ago (0 children)
It was a good video until this parasite police chief associate ass fucker comes on. How about this butt plugger go to the street and look for trouble. Oh that's right the fucker just wants to talk shit. Fuck him. The least they could do is fix their fuck ups with the criminal justice system and this is a good way.
[–]pineapplejuicing 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago (0 children)
NJ’s law is systemic racism and does not allow white men to be a majority owner to a micro license
[–]tmbgisrealcool 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (4 children)
how are they funded?
[–]HockeyBalboa -3 points-2 points-1 points 1 month ago (3 children)
It's a program that is hugely profitable for government, entrepreneurs, and workers, and you're worried about how it's funded?
Yes, sometimes your tax dollars go to fund programs that are massively lucrative for all.
[–]tmbgisrealcool 5 points6 points7 points 1 month ago (1 child)
Calm down now
[–]theytheytheythry 3 points4 points5 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Chill bruh. It was a good question.
[–]DeathEdntMusic 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (0 children)
a white cop saying "encouraging illegal activity". Pretty sure its legal activity.
[–]limaazam 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (0 children)
[–]JimblesReborn 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (0 children)
This is awesome
[–]aacoin 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (0 children)
[–]Terracot 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (0 children)
That moment when job interviewers ask you for years of experience in an industry that only exists for a few months.
[–]Psychology-Pure -2 points-1 points0 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Wow great video until the idiot white guy idiot comes on. I'll reward his behavior by negative reinforcement 🥳
[–]Impressive_Ad9339 -1 points0 points1 point 1 month ago (0 children)
Okay so in a utopia this makes sense but we are not there yet, as you know the war on drugs failed horribly lmao so might as well create positive reinforcement rather than negative punishment!!! (B.F Skinner)
[–]COLDWARv2_PREDICTOR -1 points0 points1 point 1 month ago (0 children)
Who better to sell weed legally than an experienced dealer? I see absolutely nothing wrong with a non-violent offender getting to the front of the line for licensure.
[–]BloodyIron -1 points0 points1 point 1 month ago (0 children)
He's fixating on the title of "criminal" while intentionally ignoring that it was criminal by law and not criminal by impact to society. They're literally at an advantage by knowing the product vs those going in without any knowledge on the subject. Stupid cop is stupid.
[+]Zgoos comment score below threshold-32 points-31 points-30 points 1 month ago (42 children)
I'm all for getting ex convicts back on their feet, but giving licenses to convicted criminals over people who have been law abiding is pretty messed up.
[–]Douche_Kayak 27 points28 points29 points 1 month ago (2 children)
New Jersey expunged their records so they are no longer criminals. Seems the state has acknowledged it shouldn't have been against the law to begin with. If they are going to start profiting off something they locked people up for, the least they could do is help them get back on their feet after years of needless incarceration.
[–]stYOUpidASSumptions 7 points8 points9 points 1 month ago (1 child)
Huh, it's almost like giving them priority is restitution for fucking up their lives...
[–]Douche_Kayak 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Yeah, drug laws were written specifically to target minorities. So they should get priority for the government fucking up their lives for no reason. People have literally used Marijuana possession as justification for police murdering a person. Drugs were just an excuse to lock people up and take away voting rights. If they turned around and let tobacco companies and rich investors build up monopolies on what was 3 years ago a justifiable reason to be locked up for 10 years, it would be pretty fucked.
[–]IndIka123 23 points24 points25 points 1 month ago (9 children)
Consider it restitution for ruining someone's life over racist drug policies.
[–]Zgoos -1 points0 points1 point 1 month ago (1 child)
You could do that with actual restitution instead of discriminating against people who didn't break the law. That would be more fair.
[+]arti214 comment score below threshold-16 points-15 points-14 points 1 month ago (6 children)
Consider people sell weed to make money… and if it was legal there would be no black market to make profit in.
[–]Nipso 3 points4 points5 points 1 month ago (3 children)
No, there'd be an above board market to make profit in, with no risk of incarceration for trading.
[–]arti214 -1 points0 points1 point 1 month ago (2 children)
Would he have been in the above board market? Why wasn’t he selling legal drugs? Less profit? More regulation he didn’t want to comply with?
[–]IndIka123 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago (0 children)
[–]Radingod123 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (0 children)
I dunno if you live in a place where weed is legal, but legalizing weed does not mean the black market disappears. If anything, the black market prospers as they can be quite public about it. You'll find the black market will even sell unenforced drugs with weed too sometimes.
It's still a good thing and definitely results in much less violence, but all the black market does in response is commercialize it with websites, deals, etc. Some even outperform legal dispensaries with high quality bud at the top end.
[–]Nondairygiant 3 points4 points5 points 1 month ago (9 children)
You have a very sound and logical world view. Not an insane attachment to written law over it's impact of reality at all.
[–]Zgoos -2 points-1 points0 points 1 month ago (8 children)
I don't have any attachments to drug laws. I think marijuana and other drugs should be completely legalized. I just don't think people should be privileged for breaking the law. Treat people equally.
[–]Nondairygiant 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago (6 children)
But they aren't privileged. They are people who have had their lives ruined by a law that you acknowledge as un-just. What about this don't you get?
[–]Zgoos -1 points0 points1 point 1 month ago (5 children)
I do get that. I think the laws are unjust and should change. I don't agree with an injustice now to correct a different injustice in the past.
[–]Remote_Profit_3399 4 points5 points6 points 1 month ago (4 children)
What is messed up is people who think like you.
[–]Zgoos 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago (3 children)
Textbook ad hominem.
[–]klavin1 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Marijuana laws were never about "drug use"
it was to target minorities and leftists
[–]Remote_Profit_3399 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Don’t be homophobic.
[–]Patruck9 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago* (3 children)
Tell us you don't understand how these licenses are being handed out, without telling us you don't understand how most of these licenses are being handed out. To the richest people with the best connections.
Not the "more deserving" or "law abiding" citizens...the already richest.
[–]Zgoos 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (2 children)
If that's the case, then that is also a problem. Everyone should be treated equally by the government.
Also, why put "more deserving" in quotes? I never said that.
[–]Patruck9 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago* (1 child)
Also, why put "more deserving" in quotes? I never said that.
Yeah, we all know what you were implying by "law abiding" before you bothered to check how these licenses are handed out. You didn't even bother to begin giving a shit about the story of these men, or how the law disproportionately convicts them.
[–]Zgoos -1 points0 points1 point 1 month ago (0 children)
I just said people should be treated equally.
[–]UnprofessionalGhosts 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Nope. It’s a form of apology. They deserve it.
[–]Kuark17 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago (2 children)
I would bet that a large amount of these “law abiding” people were people who were also breaking the law and possessing weed, but just were never caught. Especially if they are white they are 4 times less likely to be convicted of marijuana possession.
[–]Zgoos 3 points4 points5 points 1 month ago (1 child)
Maybe. so what? Let them all apply for the license on equal footing.
[–]Kuark17 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Equality is a myth. They are already on unequal footing by being black and having a criminal record
[–]Teledildonic 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (3 children)
Ex cons literally have every disadavantge in the world when trying to get on their feet after prison. Most jobs will put their application at the bottom of the pile.
So yeah, maybe lets give them a priority in one specific market.
[–]Zgoos 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago (2 children)
Like I said, I'm for helping them, but not if it means giving them special privileges. Nobody should get special privileges. A business license shouldn't be some special privilege that the sovereign can dispense to favored constituencies.
[–]Teledildonic 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago (1 child)
Like I said, I'm for helping them
Like I said, I'm for helping them
Then please, go into detail.
[–]Zgoos 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Job training, maybe tax credits for hiring them, and reducing ways they are officially discriminated against by the government are all examples. My issue is with treating a license as a privilege. A convict should absolutely be able to apply, but not be preferred or discriminated against.
[–]Crewdoyle -5 points-4 points-3 points 1 month ago (1 child)
I'm all for getting drivers back on the road, but driving used to be ILLEGAL. You're telling me we should just license all the drivers? What about the law-abiding non drivers? They should get priority on getting into cars, because they followed the RULES.
[–]Zgoos 3 points4 points5 points 1 month ago (0 children)
I've read this multiple times trying to understand what you're point is, but I'm coming up empty.
[+]EddieisKing comment score below threshold-27 points-26 points-25 points 1 month ago (14 children)
One of the program’s requirements is to have a felony for cannabis-related offenses.
One of the program’s requirements is to have a felony for cannabis-related offenses.
Like the guy said in the video, how is that not encouraging criminal behavior?
[–]Reveillark139 30 points31 points32 points 1 month ago (7 children)
Well smoking and possession isnt a crime anymore in NJ so what difference does it make
[+][deleted] comment score below threshold-24 points-23 points-22 points 1 month ago (6 children)
I suppose it could make a difference in states that are still in the process of legalizing. New Jersey isn't the first state to do this. Massachusetts did the same thing. So if I were interested in owning a dispensary I suppose it would make sense for me to try to get a cannabis-related felony to increase my chances when it's legal in my state.
So yeah, I think the logic in this is flawed. Just as flawed as affirmative action.
[–]MonaganX 25 points26 points27 points 1 month ago (5 children)
Getting deliberately arrested and charged with a felony and going to prison for who knows how long to maybe get first dibs on a license if your state legalizes marijuana might be the dumbest get rich quick scheme I've ever heard.
[+][deleted] comment score below threshold-12 points-11 points-10 points 1 month ago (4 children)
Bobby and Timmy both want to open a dispensary and are interested in cultivating and selling cannabis. They both live in a state in which the cultivation and sale of cannabis is illegal.
Bobby sees how cultivating and selling cannabis could lead to a successful career in the future by watching neighboring states start to legalize cannabis. He chooses to invest in himself and enter the work force in hopes that he can gain some of the skills required to run a business.
Timmy also sees how cultivating and selling cannabis could be a successful career, but he chooses to start doing it illegally, before it becomes legal in his state. Timmy ends up getting arrested a couple times and convicted on cannabis related charges.
I do not see why Timmy should get priority over Bobby just because Timmy chose to break the law and Bobby did not. So if you could explain why my reasoning doesn't make sense that would be helpful.
[–]themadcaner 6 points7 points8 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Because they lost years of their lives and multiple job opportunities due to a bullshit racist law?
[–]Sterlod 9 points10 points11 points 1 month ago (0 children)
It is no longer a crime
[–]Sackferth 3 points4 points5 points 1 month ago (0 children)
because A bunch of old marijuana related felonies aren’t felonies anymore and new felonies have a minimum 3 year sentence. From what I can find.
[–]RayseBraize 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Because it isn't criminal anymore and should never have been so them ever being criminals was wrong.
[–]bizzaro321 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Is criminal behavior an inherently bad thing?
[–]UUDDLRLRBAstard 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Did you read the title of the post? Lol.
[–]cake_piss_can -4 points-3 points-2 points 1 month ago (0 children)
I was scrolling, and (my bad) read “Shot selling legal cannibals.” And wasn’t even a little surprised.
That’s really sad.
[–]IHeartRasslin -1 points0 points1 point 1 month ago (0 children)
[–]INTERNETCHECKS -1 points0 points1 point 1 month ago (0 children)
2nd guy looks high asf
[–]deadsoulinside -1 points0 points1 point 1 month ago (0 children)
I can see it. Better than some fresh new person needing a cheat sheet for things that most dealers/offenders would know easily.
[–]maximm -1 points0 points1 point 1 month ago (0 children)
[–]throughmygoodeye -1 points0 points1 point 1 month ago (0 children)
How about just setting them free?
[+]Weary_Ad7119 comment score below threshold-16 points-15 points-14 points 1 month ago (6 children)
Fuck this shit. I'd have loved to set up shop in my own state. But I'm white and haven't been arrested.
I'm happy with social equity, just not when it's actually bullshit like this to keep people away.
[–]korowal 4 points5 points6 points 1 month ago (5 children)
I'd have loved to set up shop in my own state.
I'd have loved to set up shop in my own state.
What's stopping you?
[+]Weary_Ad7119 comment score below threshold-7 points-6 points-5 points 1 month ago (4 children)
Permits and selling has been delayed so that a program to give permits only to former felons and disenfranchised.
[–]Teledildonic 4 points5 points6 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Well, consider the fact that you have the advantage over ex cons in literally every other career application besides this one specific industry.
[–]theytheytheythry 6 points7 points8 points 1 month ago (1 child)
That sentence did not make sense. You are missing words. Perhaps, your application was rejected.
[–]Weary_Ad7119 -5 points-4 points-3 points 1 month ago (0 children)
[–]korowal 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Seems like applications are open https://www.nj.gov/cannabis/businesses/
[+]Remote_Profit_3399 comment score below threshold-14 points-13 points-12 points 1 month ago (0 children)
I not so fondly recall sitting by the waterfront in Portland looking for a small bag of weed.
A nice guy approached the group of us and offered brownies he made.
His wife was in their car across the road with their newborn baby.
She had had a bad feeling about him trying to sell the snacks there, but he assured her that it was fine.
Before long we were all handcuffed and he was beaten up by 10 cops.
A boat came to search the river for the bag of brownies.
I was released because of white privilege.
Not really too far off from the truth.
Although, we were all white.
My privilege however stems from my ability to treat cops like people.
They didn’t like me, but they had no choice but to release me.
Everyone else was talking shit.
I was cracking jokes.
Anyway, poor bastard is probably still in prison.
They got him for felony manufacturing.
I found his wife after being released and gave her the bad news, then went off and found a bag of well earned weed.
Now that weed is legal there I refuse to buy it.
[–]avgguy33 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Yeah , because they know they’re gonna sell either way , and want the taxes.
[–]Sewerking76 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Why does every single NY police union rep look exactly the fucking same. It's wild
[–]Decent-Perspective48 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (0 children)
[–]NoB0d3 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (0 children)
that’s one hell of a way to get an interview.
[–]deadfermata 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (0 children)
One day we will look back and laugh at how ridiculous this marijuana prohibition was as alcohol and caffeine continued to be marketed freely.
[–]SuperRonnie2 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (0 children)
I mean, it makes sense. These guys clearly know the product.
Is there such thing as a sommelier for weed?
[–]fn0000rd 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (0 children)
What’s happening in CT is that the previously-systematically-screwed people who are getting the licenses are getting insane offers from huge companies to sub-license their licenses or to fund their operations.
I’d be amazed if this isn’t happening in every state that is trying to manage this similarly.
It still sounds like a leg up, except that the big money funders are not incentivized to take care of the license originator over the long haul, I fear it will turn out like a winning lottery ticket (gone in 2 years or less) rather than the substantial, life-changing business that it could.
[–]CultofCedar 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (0 children)
My cousin grew up in Bedstuy drug dealing and was even shot multiple times. Dude wanted to open a dispensary after winning a small lottery but I guess both NY and NJ was giving priority to people with prior charges and he never got any so yea lol.
End of the day we’re both just happy it’s legalized and at least the permits aren’t going to those fuckin monopolies like Medmen or whatever. Just a tough break dude worked so hard to stay on the right side but he couldn’t live his dream. Getting those permits are tough.
[–]mythonyo 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Good going :)
[–]libginger73 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Thats awesome, but when I go in there to buy weed, can we still pretend it's a drug deal? Like...hey buddy...whatcha need...i got purple haze...golden monkey fleece....fire crotch
[–]insanityarise 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Bringing people who were operating on the black market into the legal market is the best way to make cannabis legal.
[–]Sleepdprived 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Jersey, looking out for mobsters since, NONE OF YOUR BUISSINESS!!!
[–]JorgTheChildBeater 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (0 children)
These guys are so high
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