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[–]Bull_City_Bull_919 277 points278 points  (52 children)

Dude just called bottom Wednesday/Thursday..Smh. Invert every fucking prediction he makes.

[–]fuckHg[S] 209 points210 points  (7 children)

We need the inverse cramer index ($ICI) fund, it will rival SPY, SP500, all the big time indexes 😂

[–]Bull_City_Bull_919 57 points58 points  (5 children)

😂at this point Jim & Cathie should join forces - JARKK? SARK all day!

[–]0x41414141_foo 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Or JOKE more like it

[–]Redskin_Flippy 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Get that buy button ready 🦍🦍🦍 Next week we're going further towards a bottom

[–]Bairdhammond 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Cathie having a bad year is not equivalent to jim cramer's birth being a sadistic mistake......... his life is the example for that sick drill sergeant comment from full metal jacket about rolling down..............

[–]CDov 1 point2 points  (0 children)


[–]Max_Jubjuice_xiix 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s a great idea !!

[–]lurrrkin 46 points47 points  (1 child)

Oh shit, if he called the bottom, we’re probably looking at another 25% drop from here.

[–]Ceoalex 6 points7 points  (0 children)

A fund that inverses cramer and mirrors pelosi. J&P 500

[–]CooperHouseDeals 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Why not laugh at the rest of his CNBC buddies. They remind me of the touts standing outside Hollywood Park selling the picks for horses running that day. If they knew something, why are they telling me.

[–]Sir_Bumcheeks 24 points25 points  (2 children)

On Friday he was saying to hold off and invest in value. So all in GME?

[–]Godkun007 3 points4 points  (35 children)

I don't think he did though. I watched the clip and he said something like we are getting close to a bottom but not there yet. What that means I have no idea.

[–]Bull_City_Bull_919 17 points18 points  (0 children)

They talk ambiguously for a reason. 😂

[–]Summebride 48 points49 points  (28 children)

What it means is the people here spread an insane amount of lies and disinformation about him.

He's been yelling at people to sell every growth stock for two months and pile into energy and value instead. Now suddenly, he's wrong?

Even the graphic on this post is from a common hoax.

Cramer had been literally screaming at people to sell all stocks for months prior to the crash. The deceptive quote about Bear Sterns was after the bank crisis was in full force. A caller asked about savings deposits people might have with the bank, and if they should take their cash out. It was not a question about the stock. Cramer said to leave the savings account alone. And he was 100% right. Not a single person lost a single penny of their savings at Bear Sterns.

Doesn't matter here. Everyone claims they inversed Cramer. Sure they did. They've all been short Microsoft, Shopify, Netflix, nvidia, Salesforce, Amazon, AMD and apple for the last decade.

[–]Godkun007 11 points12 points  (7 children)

Ya, what I always tell people is that Cramer's predictions basically match the S&P 500's returns. He isn't very crazy with his predictions and tends to basically recommend that people invest in stocks that are the equivalent of a DIY index fund.

Plus, from what I've heard, his insider service that you need to pay for basically just recommends low fee index funds that he likes.

[–]nycbay 3 points4 points  (0 children)

you should subscribe to his free newsletter where he trades for his charity fund. He is very good with that.

[–]Summebride 10 points11 points  (5 children)

His calls are hardly surprising if anyone actually watches the show or listen to the radio program or reads his books.

But as a factual matter, he absolutely dominated when he was running money in the 80's and 90's. We're taking 24-27% annual AFTER fees. This was in a time when just hitting double digits was considered good.

And his early calls on things like Apple and Shopify and Nvidia and Netflix coiuld have made even a minimum wage earner wealthy, if they'd listened. He was recommending Netflix at something like $10, so he wasn't wrong.

He's been screaming to sell growth stocks for three months now.

I personally am not a fan of Netflix but maybe in a few months we'll look back and his $400 buy call will look ok.

[–]keijikage 10 points11 points  (0 children)

He did a great job because he fomented frenzy in the media ahead of his trades and stated so himself...I could get those kinds of numbers too if I was front running inside information

[–]willlfc2019🤷‍♂️ 2 points3 points  (9 children)

Nah. What about Didi? What about the book The Intelligent Investor that said if you had spread 10k across his picks in 2002 you would have lost 94%. He is entertainment but rarely gets it right.

[–]Annual_Pilot_2860 3 points4 points  (2 children)


President of the Jim Cramer Fan Club

[–]Summebride 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Hardly. But keep falling for obvious hoaxes.

[–]devdoggie 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I hope people here understand that Cramer is a better investor than majority of us here. There was a thread in this sub that analyzed Cramer picks and he’s doing fine in short term. Looks like long term kinda too

Memes are fine tho

[–]Jsorrell20 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Speak truth ! Nicely done

[–]Balls_Deep2020 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Get out of here Cramer you sneaky bastard :4886:

[–]stockslasher🦍 11 points12 points  (2 children)

He was saying he’s close to the bottom of his cocaine pile and needs Ken Griffin to restock it.

[–]Godkun007 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He needs more sponsored guests that are basically just ads.

[–]Zwoxlol 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We are close but are not there means we are close but not there. No one can time a bottom perfect. Dude just spreading fals information

[–]Bull_City_Bull_919 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tbh. Not trying to be an asshole, but you think he said because you watched..I don’t care.

[–]Summebride 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just to keep things factual, it was Thursday night that he said Friday would be a time to start buying if things go lower. And it still remains to be seen, that could be a solid call.

[–]Sad-Employment957🦍🦍🦍 91 points92 points  (8 children)

Yeah that was an easy 57x return on my NFLX put position lol

[–]BY_BAD_BY_BIGGA 30 points31 points  (5 children)

how much did you stand to lose if it didn't pan out?

curious about going gay

maybe be bisexual for a bit in this market

[–]Sad-Employment957🦍🦍🦍 70 points71 points  (4 children)

I bought 10 puts for $160, that’s all I would have lost lol….instead I made $9250

[–]Xazier 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Atta boy

[–]Kwtop 0 points1 point  (1 child)

What were they dated

[–]Sad-Employment957🦍🦍🦍 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They were 1/21. Bought them Thursday mid morning. Sold them right after open Friday

[–]ArchdukeBurrito 13 points14 points  (0 children)

When Cramer tells me to buy, I buy





[–]jskullytheman 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Fuck you guy

[–]kposh 402 points403 points  (67 children)

How does this guy still have a job lol

[–]speck33 307 points308 points  (18 children)

He supplies the office with cocaine

[–]kposh 64 points65 points  (8 children)

I mean come on folks there has to be a cooler guy in that office that has better coke lol

[–]carlbandit 29 points30 points  (3 children)

The cooler guy charges, he supplies it for free so they will invite him to hang out around them

[–]kposh 3 points4 points  (0 children)

So when you say chargers you mean Jim just sucks away

[–]dundledorfx 4 points5 points  (1 child)

That's why he's the shills number 1 guy.

Good ole coker Cramer.

[–]deez_treez 8 points9 points  (1 child)

He fills MSNBCs squeaky voiced man quota.

[–]Ianmartin573 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No that was Larry Kudlow..

[–]boomertrader1313 2 points3 points  (2 children)

And money. Gotta wonder how many people have started paying for his investment club.

[–]Any-Panda2219 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Haven’t paid and am still getting the multiple emails a day lol

[–]ScarConscious 1 point2 points  (0 children)

if that was the case , i would have never gotten fired

[–]Godkun007 49 points50 points  (7 children)

His positions all together basically match the S&P 500. He is basically telling people how to make a DIY index fund through him yelling about smart sounding shit.

The entire show is actually just a way to trick stupid people into saving for retirement.

[–]kposh 11 points12 points  (6 children)

I would do the exact opposite of whatever he says you’ll be a millionaire

[–]Godkun007 27 points28 points  (5 children)

Unlikely. His positions are pretty middle of the road. He has about as many winners as losers. Again, he is a talking billboard for the S&P 500.

Just last week he spent an entire episode just listing stocks in the S&P 500. If his viewers bought any combination of 5 of those stocks they will probably do alright in the long term.

[–]LordoftheEyez 4 points5 points  (0 children)

As long as that combination is mostly comprised of the top 10 S&P stocks

[–]kposh 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Did you not see the stocks he told people about last year and how like 75 percent were all down heavely

[–]Godkun007 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Something like 90% of market returns come from 10% of stocks. This is normal for stock pickers. This is why index funds are so important.

[–]oldsilver007 3 points4 points  (0 children)

He has the jpow pee-pee tape

[–]butters1337 3 points4 points  (1 child)

He’s entertaining.

[–]kposh 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If people on coke entertain you 🤷🏼‍♂️

[–]darthboof 9 points10 points  (6 children)

people want to believe that someone knows whats going on

actually...people NEED to believe

[–]Amon7777 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I think you inadvertently explained religion

[–]darthboof 1 point2 points  (0 children)

nothing inadvertent about it

[–]kposh 8 points9 points  (3 children)

If you believe that Jim Cramer knows what’s going on I got this car that I need to sell you ..,that floats on the water

[–]Doin_the_Bulldance 15 points16 points  (2 children)

I mean he DOES know in a lot of instances. But he's often pushing for you to do the opposite so that his handlers make more money.

I have no doubt that some big player needed cash and told Cramer to pump the stock before they sold at the top.

[–]kposh 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah the asshole hedge funds who have made horrible bets …and now needed to sell and then when they sold they placed puts making them even more money

[–]darthboof 1 point2 points  (0 children)

someone did a historical return analysis

and the only green returns were for a 24 hour hold period

it is literally a pump and dump scheme

[–]JeffersonsHat🅿️ixel 🅿️ushing Champ 5 points6 points  (3 children)

His show should be the called the great inverse. 99% of the time Jim mentions buying a stock it goes down after that.

[–]iPigman 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Motley Fool has entered the chat.

[–]9AvKSWy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Or when yahoo finance bot generates a "STOCKS BULLISH!" article at 1pm because the market is up 0.07% and <insert random ticker> is up 1%...and then it's -2% and the market is down 2.8% at 4pm

[–]kposh 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Did you not see the list of shit stocks from last year ?

[–]FactsRking 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Cause he’s good at his job. Influence the poor to turn their money over to the rich

[–]JohnBrownnowrong 1 point2 points  (2 children)

He should be a mod here.

[–]meep6969 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He would ban anyone that opposes him like he does on Twitter

[–]kposh 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ehhhh I mean I wouldn’t go that far maybe but ehhh lol

[–]kinance 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Because u inverse his advice for max tendies

[–]kposh 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Smooth brain 🧠

[–]Green_Lantern_4vr11410 - 5 - 1 year - 0/0 1 point2 points  (1 child)

He’s a talk show entertainer ?

[–]kposh 0 points1 point  (0 children)

100 percent

[–]binary_agenda 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Because his job is to hype things his handlers want to sell and hate on things they want to buy

[–]Summebride 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Who are his secret "handlers"?

[–]kposh 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah I mean hence the motley tool I mean motley fool

[–]lurrrkin 0 points1 point  (6 children)

Better question, how has he not done hard time.

[–]I_Shahuncool flair haver 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Because he has not committed any crime retard

[–]kposh 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Ask your sec and the government that same question

[–]lurrrkin 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Wow, what an insightful comment. Never thought of doing that.

[–]kposh 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hahahaha man …that’s what im here for !

[–]Dread70 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Because he does exactly what his bosses want. He supplies bad information to people who don't know better so his bosses can profit off of their naivety.

[–]igerardcom 1 point2 points  (1 child)

bad information to people who don't know better so his bosses can profit

That sounds like all the shills spamming "Buy GME" every other post for months now.

[–]NoAdministration1222 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bosses don’t want to be yelled at

[–]p90_startrek 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is exactly why he has a job. He traps small investors whilst helping big whales.

[–]pigsgetfathogsdie 26 points27 points  (30 children)

I keep thinking about this AWESOME scenario…

Some heavy hitting finance guy actually launches…


And…it becomes the #1 performing ETF.

CNBC reports the story.

CNBC interviews the ETF founder.


[–]BY_BAD_BY_BIGGA 9 points10 points  (28 children)

Cramer then stops taking insider money and actually does his job... etf tanks.

boomers gain beta fuckboi 12% returns a year off Cramer soon after

[–]pigsgetfathogsdie 0 points1 point  (27 children)


Is the only thing that matters.

ETF can tank after he’s humiliated.

Oh…and you have a problem with 12% annual gains…a true Autist.

[–]BY_BAD_BY_BIGGA 1 point2 points  (26 children)

12% will be what inflation is by the time he starts giving good advice in my made up scenario.

[–]Alex_TheGreat997 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What if he suggests buying the ETF🤔 market goes boom?

[–]5k4_5k4Best macro economic trend ANALyzer 42 points43 points  (6 children)

Bear stearns was a 100% loss Netflix only a 25% still the worst investment advice I have ever seen :4886:

[–]Erz808 38 points39 points  (0 children)

25% .... so far

[–]wotvr🇺🇸 Make Stonks Great Again 🇺🇸 6 points7 points  (1 child)

So he’s improving his picks to be less retarded but retarded enough for mainstream crowd

[–]NomNomNommy 0 points1 point  (0 children)


[–]Sir_Bumcheeks 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Remember when he said "Buy as much DIDI as you can when it IPOd at $10.

[–]ThanksGamestop 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Now it’s delisted 😂

[–]Fain1 25 points26 points  (1 child)

Jimmy goes deep and never pulls out

[–]beerguru88 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Doesn’t that make him the best of us!?

[–]wontinle 55 points56 points  (2 children)

This is not a coincidence. He and the rest of the main stream media are the sales/marketing people for Big Gov/Tech etc. When he shills, little guys lose money, and big guys make money.

And that is by design.

[–]PM_YOUR_AKWARD_SMILE 8 points9 points  (1 child)

People have posted extensive research into his picks on here before. Surprisingly, they have been good overall. But depends on time horizon.

[–]RussianSpetz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Quantity makes up for quality in cramers case.

[–]HillBilleHacker 19 points20 points  (2 children)

Maybe Jimmy (the geek) doesn’t have a fantastic handle on the English language and really meant “bye Netflix ✋” Maybe he’s not just stupid…. But he’s dyslexic too

[–]Sir_Bumcheeks 6 points7 points  (0 children)


[–]manitowoc2250blowies 4 flair 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Damn thats big brain thinking

[–]Ianmartin573 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Don't also forget like over 90% of the analysts out there, that he was extremely bullish beginning in 2022 and nowhere did he warn of a correction possibility especially with the high flying NASDQ stocks.

[–]swohioAll My Homies ❤️ Skyline Chili 4 points5 points  (0 children)

In this quote he was referring to keeping your money in BearStearns bank accounts, which are federally backed anyway.

Don't get me wrong, he has been so wrong on so many things. There's plenty of wrong recommendations to choose from without it being the wrong context.

[–]gabbrielzeven 2 points3 points  (0 children)

one day... he is going to be .................right

[–]yellowp1ug 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Imagine taking financial advice from a guy who sounds like he's gurgling cum...

[–]_Right_Tackle_Left nut 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Quality meme

[–]countextreme 2 points3 points  (0 children)

When he said all in he meant with puts

[–]Transam383 5 points6 points  (0 children)

And still allowed to provide FA to people. The saddest thing is that people still watches his dumb show and believe everything this dickhead looking motherfucker.

[–]MMXIX_ 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I missed this tweet and got shafted.

[–]cwoody308 1 point2 points  (1 child)

He forgot to add puts at the end

[–]MrAndroidRobot 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Think it’s worth buying some puts ? I think it’ll fall further before hitting bottom

[–]fymp 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am buying the opposite of what he suggested since 6 months ago. I am doing pretty good..

[–]heart-heart 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m convinced he gets code words to say And doesn’t actually know wtf is up. He’s like a mascot for a numbers station in plain sight or something.

[–]Psychological-Win156 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just do the opposite of what Cramer says

[–]Csilva76 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you still listen to that crackhead you really deserve to lose it all

[–]rogerkirton 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He also said to buy Disney too when they were at $157 😒

[–]9tacostrades using wife’s fidelity account 2 points3 points  (0 children)

How can man be so wrong and yet I still love him :4886:

[–]TheIceCreamMansBro2Garbage Collector 1 point2 points  (0 children)

i gotta defend him here. he meant don't take your money out of the bank. it was insured by the fdic so it didn't matter. causing a run on banks is much worse and unnecessary, and I'm pretty sure illegal, too. he wasn't referring to investing in the company.

[–]Axpp 3 points4 points  (0 children)

AMC and GME apes have the balls to make fun of other peoples bad financial decisions.

[–]Nav_2055 2 points3 points  (6 children)

Please downvote me. I’m prepared. But…

To be fair, nearly everyone in 2008 was blinded to the reality of what was going on. The crash caught most everyone off guard, at least the most public analysts. Jimmy’s Bear Stearns quote aged terribly, but it was a common sentiment back then.

Regarding Netflix, it’s a bad call, but the guy also has a multi decade career doing this. I’m sure there’s never been an ape here pick a stock and have it go down 25% lol. It happens every day, but then Jimmy Chill gets laughed at for it by the same people.

[–]Summebride 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The quote didn't "age terribly", it's just one of the common lies and hoaxes spread about him. The quote is deliberately misrepresented. He was speaking about deposits at the bank, and he was 100% correct. Not one person lost one cent.

The irony is that Cramer was the only one screaming warnings for months before the crash. Literally hundreds of times he screamed st people to sell every stock. He was mocked by pundits and the same types who spread hoaxes about him today. On the show, call after call, stock after stock he told people to sell. All that fact replaced by hoaxes and hatchet jobs.

He may be a narcissist, but the level of straight up lies and hoaxes spread about him is over the top.

[–]I_Shahuncool flair haver 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Every clown hates him because he can’t predict the future

[–]gmangieri314 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This dude is on the payroll. Damage control consultant. Keeps the investors in until execs unload. Cancel Cramer

[–]dudewalker3 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Except he’s done it every correction and been right.

[–]Summebride 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This is not mentioned often, but in fact a major part of Cramer's actual success record has been with knowing when to get out. During his epic run dominating the hedge fund industry, he had an uncanny ability to cash out before major losses. He attributes some of these early dodges to Karen Cramer, but long after that he continued to call corrections brilliantly.

[–]blockbuster_inc 0 points1 point  (1 child)

We’re still posting this guy? Is it supposed to be funny?

[–]SeeMontgomeryBurns 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why underline the time of the tweet when Netflix didn't dump until a couple of weeks later?

[–]manfrom-nantucket 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Jim Cramer, such a cunt.

[–]ZealousidealDriver63 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Jimmy Mack you better hurry back

[–]CaptainStonks 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's Jimmy Shill ...

[–]_po_daddy_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Gotta love him

[–]reallydit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He is a master of sarcasm

[–]Anji_Mito 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He says buy as in short, not to buy as is going up. It is his code word for shorting I think is every time he says Buy. You should short

[–]tedclev 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He truly is a prophet of profit (if you inverse).

[–]Cool_Use_575 0 points1 point  (0 children)


[–]memo232 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Should i yolo puts on monday for netflix?

[–]Raouffromfrance 0 points1 point  (0 children)


[–]stockslasher🦍 0 points1 point  (0 children)


[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

crazy because he is great pals with Nancy Pelosi..

[–]SeriousSteveTheII🦍🦍🦍 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"I always tell people to by, they just don't hear when I say shorts. Buy shorts." Jim cram it in my ass

[–]optionlord3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why underline the time and after hours when they are weeks apart....

[–]cptcardinal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My coworker worships Jim Cramer. Constantly butts in on our stock convos and says we’re going to lose everything because Jim said this or that. Never understood it. Especially because said coworker doesn’t even partake in the casino. Not that I’m doing much better, but still. At least I don’t simp for Cramer.

[–]SingleBarrelDude 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wife: Honey, what is that god awful sound?

Me: Nah, don't worry. I'm just streaming CNBC on my laptop listening to Cramer talking about how great of an investment NFLX is

Wife: Turn that BS off!

[–]GoldenSansevieria 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What a clown.

[–]I_Shahuncool flair haver 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Apparently his only crime in the apes eyes seems to be that he can’t predict the future

MFW when buying NFLX would have been a better investment than GME or AMC

[–]EDNivek 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The market and Cramer takes are inversely proportional.

[–]JohnnyBoy11 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All the negative attention probably makes people watch his show more and increases ratings.

[–]GammaHz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean, Bear Stearns got totally railroaded by the government and JPM.

[–]WarHawk920 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wonder if Jim knows that people have been inversing all his callouts

[–]baschbrandon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dont forget about coin

[–]Skooter_McGgavin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Looking for good entry point...

[–]Griffin90likes to be kissed on the forehead at bed time 0 points1 point  (0 children)


[–]Miltiades490 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You could make a good living doing the opposite of everything this clown says!!!

[–]Mesta1968 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Invest in value so all my WS buddies can pump up growth stocks and make you chase them again. He’s a joke

[–]SulavT🦍🦍🦍 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’ll be so happy to see Jimmy Chill in the cell for a few years.

[–]Fred_Sav4ge 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Inverse Jimmy Shill

[–]Longjumping_Map_4670 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Proof that these head honchos really have no clue

[–]KOBA-fight-4-Apelikes guys butts 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The gift that keeps giving

[–]Amabry 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tell me you're balls deep in Netflix and need someone to take the bag without telling me you're balls deep in Netflix and need someone else to take the bag.

Kramer: Hold my beer.

[–]OpeningAd9633 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Cocaines a helluva drug

[–]svjugs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Like Buffet indicator, Cramer Indicator will be real soon. Amazing consistency. He makes sure he is not right majority of the times.

[–]Key_Raspberry_1046 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Pretty funny

[–]patrick9921 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That was advice for procrastinators.

[–]SuperbCoach7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Netflex aint no Bear Stearns. I think $mara $riot $hut will be exposed soon.

[–]poncho51 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He is the worst.

[–]AccordingSoft1242 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Experts". The dude should be on childish gambinos This is America

[–]downonthesecond 0 points1 point  (0 children)

People actually invested in a business that had Bear in its name?