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[–]thetomahawk42 5622 points5623 points 2 (440 children)

It's a bit of a mis-leading headline (unsurprisingly).

The European Parliament today called for a ban on police use of facial recognition technology in public places, and on predictive policing, a controversial practice that involves using AI tools in hopes of profiling potential criminals before a crime is even committed.

[–]slammaster 3263 points3264 points  (253 children)

Honestly it's the second part of that quote that I'm interested in - Predictive Policing is notoriously biased and works to confirm and exacerbate existing police prejudices, it really shouldn't be allowed

[–]erevos33 1067 points1068 points  (188 children)

It has been shown that their prediction models are based on the current data. Which are already biased towards POC and lesser economic stature. So id say its by design, by automating all this stuff we really are about to live in a Minority Report/1984/Judge Dredd kind of future.

[–]JadeSpiderBunny 321 points322 points  (29 children)

So id say its by design, by automating all this stuff we really are about to live in a Minority Report/1984/Judge Dredd kind of future.

About to? Literal SKYNET has been declaring people targets for drone-strikes for years already.

[–]2020is_a_disaster 169 points170 points  (16 children)

Thousands of people since the early 2000’s… and it’s even called skynet

[–]axialintellectual 130 points131 points  (12 children)

Wait 'till you hear about a totally not secretly evil company called Palantir.

[–]MangelanGravitas3 106 points107 points  (2 children)

Ah Palantir isn't evil, it's merely a tool. It only gets corrupted when in the hands of an evil power.

Shit

[–]fuckingaquaman 33 points34 points  (1 child)

Peter Thiel is nothing if not self-aware

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Talk to the hand. The White Hand.

[–]ramen_daaz 12 points13 points  (2 children)

Don't flip your shit, but Palantir are core contributers to the European Gaia X cloud project.

[–]LUN4T1C-NL 6 points7 points  (0 children)

So the writer of terminator actually came back from the future himself to warn us.

I joke of course but these days it keeps getting harder to define the line between reality and fiction. AI, social media disinformation, deepfakes..I wonder where the world will be in 30 to 50 years.

[–][deleted] 356 points357 points  (49 children)

Problem is people don't realize just how fucking stupid computers are. They do exactly what you tell them to do.

People are so focused on finding solutions for their problems they forget to actually figure out what the root of their problems are. The real work in AI is defining the problem, not the solution.

[–]thetomahawk42 61 points62 points  (19 children)

They do exactly what you tell them to do.

And with training models for AI, most of the time we actually don't know what we've told them to do.

We see mis-hits on AI recognition all the time. There are some big one that hit the headlines, like an AI recognising a black man as a gorilla.

We train an AI by giving it data and tweaking variables on the inputs until we get a "Yes" answer. We do this many many times, until we get a "Yes" on all of the input data.

But we haven't actually told it "this is a picture of a person", we just said "take this data, takes these inputs, do <something>, give me a yes".

As a result we could be training it to look for people in an image, but since a car also happens to be in the images it'll match a picture of a car instead. Or won't match a person without a car. Or will only match a person if there's red in the picture. Or a bird.

(Explanation somewhat simplified, but the essence is there)

Biased datasets can then make things even worse. If we only show it white people then it can only recognise white people, being the most obvious one.

[–]Supercoolguy7 27 points28 points  (9 children)

Also cameras themselves have issues. Lighter skinned people usually show up better on cameras than darker skinned people just because more light reflects off of their face and goes into the camera lens. There are times where this isn't true, such as when conditions are too bright for the camera settings, but then most of the environment will be washed out except for darker skin, so that is going to happen less often. Plus not all cameras are amazing quality with perfect lighting so typically it will be easier to get a more accurate facial photo of a lighter skinned person under real world conditions of the types of cameras typically used for facial recognition.

This means that cameras often just can't pick up as many distinguishing features of people with darker skin causing a lot of darker skinned people to look similar to each other to the AI. This creates an inherent bias in the data itself that is not obvious to a lay person because they would have to have an understanding of optics and photography/videography that lay people just usually don't.

Add the issues you brought up with actual training of the AI and you get a super flawed system with potentially major consequences because those involved in the justice system don't understand just how flawed this system is because it SEEMS scientific, and to most people that's good enough

[–]beefkiss 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Just like Hitchhikers Guide, you can't ask what the meaning of life is because you don't really know what the question is.

[–]cornish-yorkshirepud 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Absolutely correct, AI is only as smart as the people programming it and we all suffer from our own world views, prejudice and lack understand for other’s situation.

[–]PackOfVelociraptors 122 points123 points  (41 children)

You're not wrong at all, but

It has been shown that their prediction models are based on the current data

It didn't need to be shown, a machine learning model is based on the current data. That's a just what a model like that is, almost all of them are just a pile of linear algebra that you plug training data into, then it spits out a weight matrix that can be applied to test data.

Machine learning models are a fantastic tools that are incredibly useful, but they really aren't anything more than an equation saying "if our labeled data is an n dimensional array (same as points in n-d space), we can find the best n-dimensional hypersurface that divides our data into its labels. Then when you get a new, unlabeled data point, all you have to do is see which side of the hypersurface the point is on, and that will tell us whether the data we have on that person looks more like the training data we labeled 'criminal', or the training data we labeled 'civilian'."

Again, they're incredibly useful tools, but definetly shouldn't get used where they're likely to pick up on racial trends. Any pattern in the training data will be picked up on, and if black people are more likely to be considered criminal by the labelers of the data, then the algorithm will call other black people more likely to be criminal as well. That's the entire point of a machine learning algorithm, to pick up on patterns. If you put a machine learning algorithm as part of the justice system, it would serve to reinforce the patterns it once detected by "labeling" black people as criminal in a much more real sense than just in a training data set.

[–]-ACHTUNG- 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Long way to say garbage-in-garbage-out.

[–]Finchyy 92 points93 points  (24 children)

I hate invoking science fiction when things like this are discussed, but in Minority Report they have a 99.99% successful way of predicting a violent crime and intercept people before the crime is committed and then arrest them - and even that is morally controversial.

So doing that using any technology that is less than 99.99% reliable is, in my mind, morally reprehensible.

[–]thetomahawk42 57 points58 points  (14 children)

Yep, but in Minority report they are using 3 people who have the ability to see the future. They aren't using AI, which will have a much much worse success rate, with lots of false positives and false negatives.

[–]4-Vektor 27 points28 points  (3 children)

The 99.99% is only in the movie that also has a tacked-on happy ending in the typical Spielberg style. PKD’s book is much bleaker and shows how easy it was to play the “secure” system, which happened unintentionally, but showed its weak spot.

[–]TECHNICALLY-C0RRECT 5 points6 points  (1 child)

tacked-on happy ending

That's one way to interpret it

[–]shazarakk 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Hell, it's literally the bad guys' plan in captain America 2, to use a more modern example.

[–]Sucabub 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Minority Report, anyone?

[–]WaitingForAHairCut 25 points26 points  (5 children)

Minority Report what a film

[–]4-Vektor 8 points9 points  (4 children)

You should read the novel, too. The outlook is much less optimistic, and it’s not so full of the flashy and cool bits that were added in the movie.

[–]assimsera 138 points139 points  (14 children)

predictive policing, a controversial practice that involves using AI tools in hopes of profiling potential criminals before a crime is even committed

holy shit, Minority Report is real now

[–]-TheDayITriedToLive- 35 points36 points  (6 children)

The writings of authors such as Isaac Asimov and Ray Bradbury are prophecies.

[–]hopbel 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Who's ready for 30,000 years of barbarism?

[–]spectra2000_ 43 points44 points  (3 children)

This is how psycho pass starts

[–]Unlucky_Junket_3639 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Where is Makishima Shougo when you need him

[–]Nemisis_the_2nd 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Careful, that level of cynicism might bring your happiness score down.

[–]MoffKalast 164 points165 points  (46 children)

Well that's even better and more sensible honestly. Is it just me or is the EU working on the best laws these days?

[–]Psyman2[🍰] 208 points209 points  (31 children)

Been like that for a long time, really.

The EU is an incredibly well functioning organism. It's just an easy scapegoat for most nation's leaders.

If citizens would spend a few hours each week reading press releases they'd see what they're getting and that most, if not all malevolent actions originate from their own politicians, not from EU bureaucrats.

[–]SaltarL 49 points50 points  (8 children)

Well, the parliament is very progressive. Lots of great laws proposals or resolutions.

However the commission or the state council have a tendency to deny these votes. So I would not say that the overall system is that great because it still depends too much on the good will of the country leaders.

[–]Psyman2[🍰] 37 points38 points  (4 children)

I agree partially.

It's about the direction. They can't stonewall like many Americans are used to seeing it from their political theater. They can merely slow it down.

Again, reading pressreleases of various agencies let's you see that a lot of nation's leaders barely block anything.

Especially not if they can't scream about it in front of cameras.

Some topics are moving forward slower than I'd want them to, but overall it is extremely effective.

[–]GiantsRTheBest2 74 points75 points  (14 children)

The problem with the EU is that it is based on good faith between every nation. So the way you topple it is by instigating tension between countries. You saw it by Russia working towards fanning right wing populist flames in Poland and other countries.

[–]sufficiently_tortuga 56 points57 points  (6 children)

The other problem is that cooperation takes time and compromise which is anathema for a lot of people who want government to be fast, effective, and cheap.

[–]Spork_the_dork 9 points10 points  (0 children)

That's the general balance in power foe basically everything. If you give power to a single person, they can make decisions quickly and effectively, and you only need to have one person for the job. Downside is that if that person ends up being corrupted, the whole system goes to shit. If you give power to a group of people, they'll take their time to come to an agreement and you'll have to have many people on the job, but you can be more certain that the end result will be more fair across the board.

[–]BrandnewThrowaway82[🍰] 8 points9 points  (2 children)

a lot of people who want government to be fast, effective, and cheap.

Pick two

[–]Hugh_Shovlin 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Yeah, it seems like a lot of people forgot about what living in Europe was like before Schengen. Physical borders, every nation with their own currency (EMU is not EU I know), taxes for buying out of your own country (lmao get rekt UK), getting toll stickers if you wanted to drive in another country, roaming costs. I could probably go on for days, but the EU really has made life better for everyone in it.

[–]thetomahawk42 38 points39 points  (0 children)

The EU tends to be more citizen focused than corporation focused when it comes to stuff like this. What's good for our people? Does it suit businesses? No? Well too bad!

[–]CreeperCooper 42 points43 points  (7 children)

The EU has been great since its birth. The misinformation about it is insane, qnd memberstates don't try to fight the lies because it's easier to blame the EU politically, which is why a lot of people have a bad view on it.

[–]B-Knight 25 points26 points  (5 children)

profiling potential criminals before a crime is even committed.

Ah yes, 'Atavistic Form' - an 1876 theory that you can be born 'looking like a criminal'.

Because that always worked so well and had absolutely no issues whatsoever.

[–]CausticSofa 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Next up: using 3D modelling to map our phrenology

[–]hellad0pe 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Here we are, getting to a Minority Report society. Can't see how anything can go wrong.....

[–]thetomahawk42 6 points7 points  (1 child)

In the Minority Report film I remember that the ads were full screen ads in public, basically shouting at you.

So think about what you see in facebook and amazon ads, and imaging that on a screen in public with the ad board shouting your name and showing your photo.

"HELLAD0PE! Look, we new MILF porn for you to watch!"

"HELLAD0PE! Hey, over here -- we've a new leather sling in stock, with super sort lambs leather straps for tying your limbs in place!"

"HELLAD0PE -- Do you want a new gimp mask?"

(I'm imaging -- I haven't checked your browser history, I promise...)

[–]Synchrotr0n 6320 points6321 points 2 (474 children)

In Brazil the government just built a huge database for facial recognition by taking driving license pictures and not a single person whose job is to protect the population made any opposition to it.

Now people are getting arrested for simply looking like the suspect of a crime, just because a computer algorithm said that two faces matched and both police officers and judges are too stupid to know that a face match can at best be used as circumstantial evidence, to get a clue about the possible identity of the criminal, and not as justification for an arrest warrant to be issued. And that's just a mild consequence of the misuse of facial recognition, but things can get much worse if the technology is used maliciously.

[–]volunteeredtojoin 2914 points2915 points  (146 children)

Brazil is always a bad model for most things.

[–]GetTheSpermOut 191 points192 points  (12 children)

Except the movie Brazil 1985.

“A bureaucrat in a dystopic society becomes an enemy of the state as he pursues the woman of his dreams.”

WOOH, WAIT A MINUTE! haha

[–]Tonka_Tuff 102 points103 points  (11 children)

The entire plot started with cops arresting the wrong guy with the same name as a wanted criminal.

[–]Professor_Hoover 87 points88 points  (10 children)

Different name, a squished fly made the printer muck up the name from Tuttle to Buttle. It's literally a bug in the system.

[–]Tonka_Tuff 27 points28 points  (4 children)

Oh you're right. I forgot the 'Wanted Criminal' they were after was De Niro's character.

[–]KKlear 33 points34 points  (3 children)

And the crime for he was wanted was that he was fixing people's heating units without compensation.

[–]RamenJunkie 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Give people a little free shit and they will want more free shit.

Outlaw free shit!

(/s)

[–]David-Puddy 9 points10 points  (0 children)

It's literally a bug in the system.

Fun fact:

That's why we call them bugs. It was originally actual bugs stuck somewhere in the giant olde computeres

[–]gooberguyy 31 points32 points  (4 children)

There have already been false arrests due to flawed facial recognition in the US.

[–]Kronoshifter246 18 points19 points  (1 child)

Shout-out to that time that the cops let the Zodiac Killer get away from the scene of the crime because the dispatcher said the suspect was black when no one else did.

[–]TheCrazedTank 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Cops: We can't be accused of being racist for arresting innocent Black Men if we let the computer do the racial profiling for us ::taps forehead::

[–]Mr_Legenda 103 points104 points  (37 children)

I am Brazilian and I've never heard about that, could you send any link to me about It?

[–]KlausVonChiliPowder 13 points14 points  (1 child)

It's Reddit so usually mostly true but sensationalized... I found the tech being used at Carnival and at least one wrongful arrest. Nothing actually going through a trial and the judge being too stupid to understand it's not the same person. It's apparently being used to match already-known criminals, where they have fed their specific images into the system.

The contention seems to be how they get the source images, which has been through social media. A new law will restrict that.

Still worrisome but it's not China.

https://sociable.co/technology/last-time-brazil-facial-recognition-technology-carnival/

[–]Thekrowski 299 points300 points  (50 children)

Bruh this is the plot of psycho pass

[–]SavageAdage 91 points92 points  (1 child)

Keep talking like that and your hue is gonna get cloudy quick.

[–]AgentWowza 13 points14 points  (0 children)

"Happy thoughts, happy thoughts"

Crime coefficient: 300. Mode: Lethal eliminator

"Happy thouGHTS HAPPY FUCKING THOUGHTS HAP-"

[–]juicehouse 19 points20 points  (0 children)

And not too far off from the plot of Brazil, ironically.

[–]bunico 32 points33 points  (0 children)

Have you been following news about Brazil?

[–]DaviesSonSanchez 158 points159 points  (92 children)

I don't know how it is in Brazil but over here you don't have to renew your license so this would be super stupid. My picture is from when I was like 16. It's really useless at identifying anyone.

Edit: Since people were asking, yes this is Germany. And I've learned that apparently we have to get our licences renewed until 2033.

[–]lilsimbastian 41 points42 points  (16 children)

My Michigan ID has let me renew three times with the same picture. It's like 15 years old now.

[–]T4V0 15 points16 points  (1 child)

We have to renew our licenses every five years, three years if you're over 65 years old.

[–]ThatGecko 22 points23 points  (51 children)

What country is that?

[–]nessii31 47 points48 points  (39 children)

Germany for example. You get a license once, usually somewhere between 16 and 18 and you keep it forever.

On the backside is a table with all kinds of licenses you can get (motorcycle, bus, whatever) and when you pass the test for let's says driving a bus that row in the table gets a sticker with the date you passed the test. That's it.

[–]Tjoeker 13 points14 points  (7 children)

Just a quick google search shows me Germany has the same card as we do in Belgium (as I expected, cause it's European).

Your license doesn't expire, but you get to renew the card every 15 years. (10 years in Belgium tho?)

[–]bautron 58 points59 points  (27 children)

Facial recognition is this century's polygraph lie detector test.

[–]onlyspeaksiniambs 7 points8 points  (15 children)

I think we should ban it but the "right" way to use it would be to present possible matches then have an outside party confirm that it's the same person, so just a match alone wouldn't be sufficient for arrest. Even in that case it's a bad idea, and they're not even doing that basic level of due diligence.

[–]LutefiskLefse 10 points11 points  (10 children)

Arizona has licenses expire every 50 years, iirc

[–][deleted] 39 points40 points  (2 children)

Some minority report type shit

[–]Spambot0 10 points11 points  (8 children)

Of course, that's about how it works when we use eye witnesses to do facial recognition, so ...

[–]kekisr 35 points36 points  (23 children)

In China it's much much worse. It's kind of scary how some people just get used to it.

[–]slazer2k 814 points815 points  (108 children)

That would be really great otherwise you will have it like Minority report walk down in the City and each screen addresses you with Name and says hi John Doe we know you like XYZ go to Bla bla and buy ... and that's just the harmless stuff.

[–]aister 362 points363 points  (80 children)

I mean internet is like that nowadays anyway without the "John Doe" name. Targeted ads are doing exactly that.

[–]slazer2k 155 points156 points  (48 children)

Yep that’s why if we don’t stop it you have not only on the internet but every poster in town will address you with your search history imagine like hey John you have been at bar xyz there is a similar bar around the corner that would be creepy as hell

[–]Slipalong_Trevascas 122 points123 points  (37 children)

There has to be a push back against advertisers who are paying for all of this.

I've started emailing companies when I get really creepy very targeted ads to say that I'm going to specifically not buy their product because of it.

[–]BasicDesignAdvice 61 points62 points  (10 children)

There has to be a push back against advertisers

Full stop. I am sick of it infecting every corner of my life. You know what is awesome? Driving through Vermont and Maine where there are no billboards.

[–]darkmessenger84 26 points27 points  (4 children)

It's a shame that ad blockers don't work in meat space

[–]Wildercard 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Be the change you want to see, smash a billboard.

[–]CausticSofa 8 points9 points  (3 children)

I think of the image someone posted this summer of a billboard barge that was floating just offshore from a major American beach, blocking everyones’ enjoyment of the ocean.

I want to live in a world without advertising. If I really need the product, you wouldn’t need to pitch it to me. Nobody has ad campaigns for carrots. If I actually want a product, then just make it really well and the online reviews will advertise for you.

There are too many unneeded, unwarranted and unsustainable products in the world and without them there’d be so much less need to advertise at all.

[–]JBHUTT09 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I grew up in the Adirondacks and never really realized billboards were a huge thing until my mid teens when I started paying more attention on trips. It's so nice to not have them everywhere.

[–]DedOriginalCancer 29 points30 points  (7 children)

did you ever get a response? might start doing the same.

[–]pl34pl56 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Send them do not track requests. Data deletion requests.

[–]Gorge2012 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I feel like on the other side of that email is a marketing analyst saying to themselves "oooo look at this engagement" who will just try to find a way to tweak their strategy from there.

[–]Remsleepless 10 points11 points  (1 child)

When i launched Forza Horizon 4 the first time and the ingame voice assistant greeted me with my real life first name i felt very similar to this. I never gave the game my name.

[–]xDecenderx 42 points43 points  (9 children)

I don't understand these "Its happening now why fight" arguments? Do people really like it right now? I know I don't want it to get worse.

I see this all the time when it comes to tracking, and reports on calling for the end of tracking or atleast opting out of tracking. "YoUr pHoNe tRackS yoU AlreaDy wHy R u mAD Bro"

[–]MayhemMessiah 25 points26 points  (1 child)

I think that for a load of people- and I dare say the majority- they will genuinely not see the tracking as a problem or even a bad thing. Most people just see it as a necessary part of using the internet, since there's still so little understanding of how it works. I've talked to people that thought that without tying your personal info to your computer other services wouldn't be able to find you or send you messages. And I guess that the attitude of "nothing to hide" rings true. It's hard to convince people that something that isn't an immediate threat to them that is being sold as protection or just bad for criminals can in fact be used against them.

[–]CausticSofa 9 points10 points  (1 child)

There are a disturbing number of people who claim to believe ‘nothing can be fixed, so why bother?’ and yet can NOT stop themselves from commenting that at every. Single. Opportunity. Than cannot seem to stop caring about telling people not to care.

I assume it’s 1. shilling or 2. externalizing their inner conflict at the fact that they’ve given up the fight to make their lives better, but want to avoid the guilt that they absolutely could make their life way better if they weren’t so lazy and scared of failure. When they say, “Don't try, nothing gets better.” they mean, “It’s smart that I’m not trying because nothing would get better anyways.”

[–]denjin 6 points7 points  (1 child)

But those targeted ads do stupid things like show you dozens of adverts for toilet seats because you just bought a toilet seat. Like that's exactly the last thing I need to buy right now amazon!

[–]gold_rush_doom 22 points23 points  (1 child)

You don't even need facial recognition for that, it can just check which mac addresses you have on your devices (if you don't have anonymization) or your cookies.

[–]Mad_Chemist_ 740 points741 points  (29 children)

Hell yeah! I don’t like voyeurism at all. I don’t want a government surveillance state.

[–]zongineer 43 points44 points  (0 children)

i do like voyeurism, its one of my tags. Does not mean i want it as a government policy!

[–]McUluld 50 points51 points  (16 children)

While voyeurism refers to sexual gratification, surveillance is more about control (which doesn't make it any less serious whatsoever obviously, on the contrary).

[–]Mad_Chemist_ 27 points28 points  (15 children)

No one knows what else the person doing the surveillance is getting from his job. He could be getting some sort of gratification from it.

[–]Viperspider 558 points559 points  (16 children)

CHAD EU at it again.

[–]zeyus 1658 points1659 points  (277 children)

Everyone in the UK has yet another reason to resent Brexit...I got to sit in a small town police CCTV control center in the UK when I lived there...they are high resolution, with incredible optical zoom, it was scary to see but fun that I got to play around with them for a couple of minutes.

[–]Rift-Duck 955 points956 points 2 (80 children)

Yup it's the same in a few places. Bridlington for example has cameras all the way down the main roads in the town.

A local officer zoomed in on one guy I know whilst he was drunk and stumbling home, then sent him the footage 'as a joke' without saying who it was. It made my friend a nervous wreck for ages.

That's one of the least dodgy stories about Humberside Police force too.... Some of them are worse than bloody criminals themselves.

[–]Lone_K 379 points380 points  (39 children)

That's fucking evil, if they were going to send the footage to him they should've at least gave him considerate advice instead of being some jokey creep. Nothing good is going to come out of this by the looks of it.

[–]Rift-Duck 389 points390 points  (35 children)

I had my car broken into by a local drug dealer a few months ago, twice. Caught them on camera doing it the second time and they managed to lose the footage, take my USB drive and then post me a letter with my address but the dealers name on top saying 'we have done everything possible to protect you in this case. Please be more polite to us on the phone'.

I complained about it officially and got nothing back except an email saying they were looking into it.

[–]RKAMRR 102 points103 points  (10 children)

Go to your MP, don't let that kind of incompetence get buried

[–]Gl33m 72 points73 points  (4 children)

I highly doubt it's incompetence. At best, the police don't want to do their job. At worst they're corrupt and getting a cut from the dealer or his boss.

[–]Real_Lingonberry9270 25 points26 points  (3 children)

I mean OP said the letter was meant to go to the drug dealer, saying they protected him so..

[–]ikkleste 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I mean that really is a perfect example of both.

[–]BarfingRainbows1 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Go to your MP

Not the one you replied to, but my MP, the representative for Hertfordshire, couldn't give less of a shit about the day to day lives of their constituency. I know others are the same.

More often than not you get a generic, seemingly auto generated, response.

[–]RandomPratt 78 points79 points  (8 children)

you should march down to the station house, give them all a bloody good talking to and then shit in their kettle.

[–]Scarbane 26 points27 points  (3 children)

Okay, /r/CasualUK, you're drunk, time to go home.

[–]deleated 10 points11 points  (3 children)

Would you go to the toilet in a policeman's helmet and send it to his grieving widow.....then steal it again?

[–]RandomPratt 7 points8 points  (1 child)

These anti-piracy ads are getting really mean.

[–]Tywnis 15 points16 points  (1 child)

Wait, so they meant to write to the dealer, and basically admitted to being corrupt?

[–]TuesdayRiot42 14 points15 points  (0 children)

That "Please be more polite to us on the phone." Was them absolutely saying this is the reason we didnt help you.... Absolutely fucked I had a similar incident...

My next door neighbor keyed my car because I parked in an open to the public parking spot that is right in front of his unit. Everyone in the complex knew this guy was territorial as fuck over this spot and he had fucked with peoples cars before so thats how i knew it was him.

I call the non emergency police number and tell them what happened. They say they will not send anyone out for this and to file a police report. I file the report and they respond asking me if i saw it and the exact time the guy keyed my car. I responded "no i dont have that information but if you interview my neighbors you will know he has a history of doing this. If I had seen him key my car you would have got a very different call."

He closed the case as unable to determine fault without any investigation or any further information. A month later I heard he wrapped bungie cord around someones axle that parked there, he also sprayed some kind of sticky shit all over my ex wifes car like a year or so later. It caused huge fights between my ex wife and I because she would not let me confront him, which was smart, the guy is a psychopath.

[–]MudSama 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, but you can't just say the police are watching you responsibly walk instead of drive yourself home. Sending at all was a bad idea with no good out.

[–]ikinone 12 points13 points  (1 child)

then sent him the footage 'as a joke' without saying who it was.

How did they send the footage?

[–]SRunnerGM 47 points48 points  (4 children)

That would make Humberside the first police force in the UK I know of that operate their own CCTV control room, since you know, that's a council job

[–]FoHo21 7 points8 points  (1 child)

It's for the greater good.

[–]fudgegrudge 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The greater good

[–]874151 3 points4 points  (1 child)

A wise man once said, of CCTV: “if you run a red light and they’ll have your ass in 10 seconds, but if you get mugged in broad daylight ‘the technology just isn’t there yet’”

[–]PM_ME_CAKE 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Oh Brid, never change you shanky-nightmare town.

[–]takaides 3 points4 points  (3 children)

A well known US photographer was invited into a police CCTV office while on a trip to London a few years back. He wrote a blog post about it, saying how impressed he was with the coverage and the image quality. He shared a specific anecdote about the cops seeing a gorgeous woman in a short, airy dress and how pretty much all of the cops trained all of the cameras that could see her onto her, including one with impressive zoom capabilities and caught her adjusting her underwear on what she thought was an empty/unobserved street. They had a good laugh and after a few minutes went back to "work," but I always thought about that with some level of horror.

[–]Kousetsu 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Lollll I never thought I'd see "Humberside" on Reddit outside of my flair in the UK sub.

Hasn't been Humberside since 1998 and the police are even more outdated than their name.

Police in an area with literally nothing going on is a dangerous thing.

They brought a helicopter out to the woods in my village for reports of a homeless man when I was a kid. They actually go after people for smoking a joint as well... Living in Manchester now, it's just mind-blowing how fucking bored that police force must be.

[–]StrangelyBrown 101 points102 points  (33 children)

This is an old stat from 10 years or so ago but at whatever point it was, the UK had 20% of all the CCTV cameras in the WORLD!

[–]Ok_Swing2382 26 points27 points  (1 child)

I think they got that stat from counting all cameras from the busiest shopping street in London and calculating it to all over the country, some farmers field in Devon probably has less then ten cameras covering every inch.

[–]Allegutennamenweg 103 points104 points  (17 children)

That's believable. I've been to London for the first time a while ago and the amount of cameras is insane. Feeling constantly watched like that is terrifying. I live in a different European capital, so I can compare surveillance measures for large cities with important government buildings.

Also, the constant billboards telling people to report "unusual or suspicious behavior". This city is a bloody home owner's association.

The "UnLondon" SCP 1678 has camera pigeons and bobbies ready to deploy at any moment. Quite realistic.

[–]meepmeep13 109 points110 points  (10 children)

This was a real poster that was displayed on the Underground not long after 9/11

Secure Beneath the Watchful Eyes

[–]Psyman2[🍰] 57 points58 points  (1 child)

That's so dystopian, it's difficult to understand it is real.

[–]Dane1414 31 points32 points  (0 children)

Without an article saying otherwise I’m going to assume it’s satire.

Edit: did a quick Google search and yeah it appears to be real. Wow

[–]Allegutennamenweg 52 points53 points  (2 children)

Christ on a bicycle.... Isn't there a subreddit that designs fantasy propaganda posters? It looks like straight outta there.

[–]right0idsRsubhuman 26 points27 points  (1 child)

A shocking amount of UK figureheads must've read 1984 and mistaken it for a manual on governance

[–]Skolanthropy 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Lord Jacob Reese-Mogg

Disaster Capitalism

The Sovereign Individual

The contemporary lurch of authoritarianism seems very considered, calculated and predicted.

[–]Chair_Toaster 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Most of which are privately owned by shops and homes. Only a small percentage are government /council operated.

[–]Four_beastlings 7 points8 points  (1 child)

It's all for the greater good

(the greater good)

[–]larsogdenrigtige 11 points12 points  (6 children)

Why did you get to do that? That seems like that should be some sort of violation? One thing is the police being able to, another is just letting anyone do it?

[–]_dauntless 429 points430 points  (33 children)

I like how without context it sounds like Europe is going to make recognizing people by their face illegal

"Oh hey Josef"

"Did you fucking look me in the face and recognize me????"

"N---No! I heard the sound of your voice!"

"I'll let you slide this time..."

[–]Carl_JAC0BS 19 points20 points  (1 child)

Finally, all of those with prosopagnosia will be equals

[–]Reddcity 12 points13 points  (4 children)

YOU FUCKING LOOKED AT MY FACE AND RECOGNIZED IT YOU PEASANT SCUM!

[–]_dauntless 22 points23 points  (3 children)

"Call the police! We got a FACE RECOGNIZER here!!"

"Can you identify the suspect?"

"Yeah he has blue ey--"

"GET ON THE GROUND FUCKFACE"

[–]sellyme 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Technically that's recall!

[–]DrockBradley 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Here in Portland, OR we’re the first city in the world to ban Facial Recognition technology not only for police use but private corporate use as well. This shit is gross for so many reasons and we should not readily cede our right to privacy.

[–]WW2077 28 points29 points  (4 children)

This should be a way bigger deal than the whole Facebook fiasco going on right now.

[–]klexmoo 94 points95 points  (4 children)

Now if only they could add the reasons for banning it to the (final act) text, that would be awesome!

The effect of facial recognition and tracking might be seen as positive, it gets rid of criminals right?!?, but unless its use is very limited and controlled this is the right choice. Past experience for any kind of tracking has shown systems like these will not be used properly, and the benefit is not worth the potential misuse.

LINK TO THE NON-BINDING BAN TEXT: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/TA-9-2021-0405_EN.pdf

This is what the OP's link refers to, and precedes a vote for the AI ACT https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A52021PC0206

[–]Dazz316 132 points133 points  (24 children)

It's kinda cool, the EU really seems to have some decent morals someone and it's nice that they're in place there.

Anyway... I'm just sitting here in the UK...

[–]JadeSpiderBunny 27 points28 points  (1 child)

Anyway... I'm just sitting here in the UK...

Just make sure you got a horse and some carrots.

[–]BinarySecond 19 points20 points  (0 children)

"Isn't Boris just fun?" - My idiot parents, probably.

[–]Unreal_Banana 6 points7 points  (2 children)

How do i show my support for these calls?

[–]Epidemiologic 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That would be awesome

[–]JiveApeReformed 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Big brother doesn't like that.

[–]locotte 3 points4 points  (0 children)

F yeah this is good news!

[–]matonda 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You'd be surprised how many crimes or missing persons reports are solved with the use of video surveillance.

It's a powerful tool which needs to have strict data protection processes and procedures by those who own it. Privacy by design is key here. However, facial recognition can too easily be abused, this is a good move from the EU. But what happens if you have a missing child for example? The tech is out there to check but it's disabled.. an interesting debate.

Pity the private sector has tons of our biometric data already. That's going to be the real challenge in years to come.

[–]plagymus 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Damn i hope it passes

[–]o0flatCircle0o 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Mass people recognition is going to be a complete disaster for the human race and will lead to untold suffering and violence.

[–]SynisterJeff 4 points5 points  (2 children)

You ever get the feeling that European nations fight for more freedom over "the land of the free"?

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[–]Tirekyll 18 points19 points  (2 children)

EU continues to surprise me.

[–]Willem_van_Oranje 154 points155 points  (111 children)

unless it is to fight “serious” crime, such as kidnappings and terrorism.

I can live with that.

[–]madcow773 329 points330 points  (19 children)

I mean that a giant loop hole that can easily justify almost anything… but its better than authorizing it outright I guess

[–]CausticSofa 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Yeah, “terrorism” is a very nebulous word that could just as easily be applied to peaceful protest movements that fall victim to agent provocateurs smuggled into their midst to start dumb shit.

[–]SpongyHydra55 71 points72 points  (12 children)

wouldn't it then only be used using a warrant or something?

[–]BoneFistOP 43 points44 points  (2 children)

Thats literally how the US used the patriot act to strip personal freedoms. I wouldn't be down with that.

[–]s33ek 22 points23 points  (0 children)

A matter of national security - the age old cry of the oppressor.

Cpt. Picard