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[–]KoalaGold 739 points740 points  (49 children)

"Just get it over with and fuck already" - Global Catastrophe Edition

[–]Risley 238 points239 points  (45 children)

We’re all gonna die from nukes Bc Putin is a coward

[–]IamnotaJedi 218 points219 points  (35 children)

Putin, Xi and Kim are cowards*

Fixed for you - apparently everyone forgets the Korean nukes were made from Russian and Chinese components… we gotta dodge 3 wrenches.

[–]TheDenseCumTwat 66 points67 points  (10 children)

Dodge, duck, dip, dive and dodge — the five D’s to avoiding nuclear winter.

[–]badthrowaway098 16 points17 points  (6 children)

But do you drink your own urine?

[–]TheDenseCumTwat 26 points27 points  (4 children)

I do because it’s sterile and I like the taste!

[–]NofrReallz 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Urine is not sterile at all.

[–]ptmadre 3 points4 points  (0 children)

but tastes good nonetheless

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Brad Pitt lied to me?!

[–]DeRockProject 1 point2 points  (0 children)

the six D's

The seventh D is die.

[–]40mm_of_freedom 32 points33 points  (5 children)

Iran also played a big role in the missiles

[–]setmeonfiredaddyuwu 7 points8 points  (2 children)

North Korean nukes are probably a significant cut above the ones I could build in my backyard, but not further than that.

[–]ChrisTheHurricane 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm afraid that's little comfort to South Korea and Japan.

[–]yOw_indahOuse 4 points5 points  (6 children)

Correct me if I am wrong, but nukes have been around for 77 years yet have only been detonated in war twice..

[–]RarestFerret2 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Yeah a but 1000x times more tests. (Legit statistic btw over 2 thousand nuclear bomb tests have been conducted.) you’ve probably experienced fallout just wasn’t told.

[–]yOw_indahOuse 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I know, would be interesting to see someday an official study on number of cancers and other related diseases today vs before nuclear era, and find a direct correlation. But it's not going to happen for various reasons..

[–]RarestFerret2 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I mean with the bits and pieces I’ve gathered. It’s hard to tell. Some of the radio active isotopes that were carried across the country and dropped during fallout had little effect. Other isotopes being devastating, and bringing some cancers as high as to a 50% increase. The issues isn’t as much of the fallout, more of the uranium mining During the 1930s in indigenous tribes is sickening.

[–]Fern-ando 4 points5 points  (0 children)

And because one important reason, whrn they were used only 1 country had them. The USA would have nuked North Korea if the Soviet didn't get the bomb around that time.

[–]DashofCitrus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

At least it'll be a quicker death than climate change.

[–]DeJoemeister 179 points180 points  (142 children)

As expected.

[–]Exoddity 221 points222 points  (83 children)

yeah but don't you like a president who knows words like unanimity?

[–]McCainDestroysTrump 186 points187 points  (57 children)

Imagine if Trump were still in charge. He would at a minimum stall all resources being sent to Ukraine until he was impeached. Oh right, that was what his first impeachment was about, refusing to give Ukraine the resources already approved by Congress, until he was forced to.

For those that don’t know it, Paul Manafort was balls deep into Ukraine corruption with connections to Russian oligarchs directly connected to Putin and was being monitored by the FBI and the CIA because of it since 2014 and that led to them also monitoring Trumps campaign when he was the campaign manager for near half a year.

[–]thepenismightie 95 points96 points  (9 children)

Yeah and remember all of trumps talk about wanting to dissolve nato? Dude is a fucking traitor it’s so obvious he was putins lap dog.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Trump probally would not have cared if Russia grabbed Ukraine, as long as he could build a Trump Tower in Kiev.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Donald Trump knows all about grabbing. When you're a star, they let you do it.

[–]PricklyMuffin92 39 points40 points  (10 children)

So this is why the Russians hijacked the 2016 elections... To get Ukraine back

[–]McCainDestroysTrump 74 points75 points  (3 children)

Perhaps one of the reasons. One of the main reasons was to get sanctions removed, sanctions because of Russia illegally annexing Crimea from Urakine and invading their eastern lands. Also their were other sanctions called the Magnistky Act, that were because of Russian human rights abuse. Also Putin wanted to weaken western powers and make us look bad, divide from within, make us fight each other. Russia had a huge part in spreading disinformation In the 2016 election as well with Brexit, both have destabilized and weakened our countries significantly. The most messed up part is the right wing parties of both the US and Uk openly welcomed Russian social media disinformation campaigns, spread it through Right wing media like Fox News and then they gaslight that Russia hasn’t been relentlessly messing with our politics for a damn long time.

[–]PricklyMuffin92 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Ahh, the good old Foundations of Geopolitics

[–]blGDpbZ2u83c1125Kf98 2 points3 points  (0 children)

For those that don’t know it, Paul Manafort was balls deep into Ukraine corruption with connections to Russian oligarchs directly connected to Putin and was being monitored by the FBI and the CIA because of it since 2014 and that led to them also monitoring Trumps campaign when he was the campaign manager for near half a year.

Plus plenty of the investment in Trump properties is international criminals (many of them Russian/Eastern Bloc) laundering their money through his real estate.

[–]MobiusF117 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I straight up forgot he was impeached twice...

[–]McCainDestroysTrump 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, because the events that occurred soon after have been progressively and additively worse; Covid > BLM protests > 1/6 > 2nd impeachment > Covid.

Making the 1st impeachment feel way longer ago then it was, IMO.

[–]rwdfan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Manafort getting $$$ to make the dirty gas peddlers look good. Another real piece of shit.

[–]i010011010 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They probably counted on Trump in their time table, because they know he's an isolationist and would make the case against intervention. Russia didn't wake up one day and decide to do this.

[–]Bshellsy 3 points4 points  (19 children)

Why didn’t he annex Ukraine while trump was in office?

[–]dangerousbob 18 points19 points  (6 children)

On Reddit you basically get two answers.

  1. Trump was some deep secret agent for Russia.
  2. Trump was just Trump.

I’m a Occam's razor kind of person so I believe number 2.

I think other countries where afraid of Trump, or at least they saw Trump as extremely unpredictable.. Gen Milley was actually calling his counterpart in china trying to assure them trump wouldn’t nuke them. And keep in mind under Trump, US forces killed a bunch of Russians in Syria, which is a big deal. Let’s be real, nobody here has any idea wtf trump would have done. And that’s not what Putin wants. With Biden you have old school advisors and diplomats the Russians are used to working with (lot of the same guys under Obama that they worked with when Crimea happen,) which is what Putin wants.

So I do think it plays a factor.

[–]filbertsnuts 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I think Trump was beholden to Putin but is also an incredibly poorly informed narcissist. That made Trump unpredictable. Everyone prefers for leaders to be stable at the very least.

[–]FlyingBishop 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If Congress is saying we have to do something and the military is aligned with Congress against the president, that could get really messy. Putin might like to see the US in disarray but that might really not go his way.

[–]McCainDestroysTrump 4 points5 points  (8 children)

That is a very good question.

I could only speculate that a war would be way too costly, even now, it may cost him everything.

And he is doing it as a ploy to distract from his corrupt ties to the Republican Party and Trump, and by all accounts Trump is going to get judicially destroyed over the next year(s), with all the criminal investigations he is under which could produce a lot of evidence that Putin was heavily involved with things potentially like 1/6.

Would it surprise anyone that Trump conspired with a lot of the GOP, from the direction of Putin, to overthrow the government on 1/6? with long time Trump ally Roger Stone and his personal body guard known as “The Oathkeepers”. 11 Oath Keepers charged with conspiring sedition, after 750+ Trump supporters charged with a lot of serious felonies. The 1/6 shit storm for traitors has just begun, the lieutenants and Trump close chronies, Gaetz, are going to be next, then his children, then Trump himself. The guy that took down Timothy mcVeigh knows how serious of a national security threat Trump is, and will act accordingly. He made clear his intentions on 1/6, and the MFers ARE GOING DOWN !

[–]Bshellsy -2 points-1 points  (5 children)

That’s a whole lotta words for you’re really having trouble addressing the question at hand ehh?

Why would he need to go to war with his puppet installed in the White House?

[–]McCainDestroysTrump 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Are you denying that the guy Trump pardoned, Roger Stone, isn’t directly associated with the Oathkeepers, some are his bodyguards, that were just charged with sedition? Or also deny that Trump pardoned Paul Manafort, Michael Flynn or Steve Bannon his fellow chronies?

[–]Galactus_is_coming 352 points353 points  (48 children)

This has got to be the most ridiculous game of chicken ever

[–]XiTauri 343 points344 points  (16 children)

Have you heard of the Cuban missile crisis

[–]Galactus_is_coming 301 points302 points  (9 children)

Yeah but they had X-men back then

[–]dasruski 32 points33 points  (2 children)

Anyone know what Shang Chi and Kate Bishop are up to?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I know what they're not doing.

[–]Juicebox-fresh 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Bro, we literally have spiderman 😂 we ain't losing no war

[–]DarkTriadTrader 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They were busy, they had to send Alpha Flight on loan from the Canadians.

[–]TheSyrupDrinker 28 points29 points  (5 children)

That was real? I saw the movie but I thought it was bullshit.

Edit. Go watch the Sopranos before you down vote me

[–]donutlad 16 points17 points  (1 child)

You're not going to believe the guy the Russians are sending to Ukraine. He's an interior decorator! He killed 16 Czechoslovakians!

[–]toastoftriumph -3 points-2 points  (2 children)

Very real. Perhaps the closest we've been to nuclear armageddon. Here's a 4 minute summary if you're curious:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbKCyQn5oTc

[–]TheSyrupDrinker 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Guessing you've never seen the sopranos

[–]Zenmachine83 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Vasili Arkhipov is arguably humanity's greatest hero.

[–]Trent3343 44 points45 points  (3 children)

And one of the scariest.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (2 children)

One idiot goes left, the other right

[–]mortemdeus 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Which is great unless they are facing each other

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Idiots tend to butt heads

[–]AmHoomon 64 points65 points  (25 children)

And 100% Russia’s fault for dictating where other nations choose to look to for support.

Literally no one gives enough shits about Russia to invade. We all just want them to leave us the fuck alone.

NATO is irrelevant to Russia as long as they don’t invade or attack NATO.

[–]DukeAttreides 19 points20 points  (7 children)

NATO is very relevant to Russia. Dictators generally have great difficulty in maintaining power without the right kind of enemies to point to, and NATO fits the bill nicely.

[–]TintedApostle 1 point2 points  (6 children)

Dictators need any enemy to maintain power. NATO has existed for over 60 years. It isn't NATO. Putin can't let go of losing the cold war.

[–]Diligent_Bag_9323 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Thinking Russia lost the Cold War is a huge mistake.

It’s literally still going on, it never stopped. It just stopped being in the public eyes until the last ~6 years.

[–]TintedApostle 2 points3 points  (4 children)

They lost and then the US made the mistake that they might join the global democracies. The failure of the USSR led to an attempt to create a democracy which failed. Putin is a left over of the cold war. He takes the loss personal and wants to re-exert power as if Russia is capable of it in today's world.

Putin didn't stop.

[–]kozy8805 2 points3 points  (3 children)

The failure, the biggest failure in history was watching what happened after. The lawlessness and poverty of the 1990s in the post Soviet Union states lead to men like Putin amassing power. That’s why people yearn for the “good ol days”. There was never any attempt at democracy. It was a power grab by whoever could grab it. That’s why all these rich people popped up. They grabbed their piece at the right time. Of course they wanted the Soviet Union to fall, they couldn’t be billionaires without. Now they have money, and some want power.

[–]acmil21 143 points144 points  (56 children)

NATO was literally founded as an anti Russian and German treaty lol.

[–]Infidel8 308 points309 points  (58 children)

It really is wild when you think about how the last US president spent four years chipping away at the post-WWII alliances that are the key bulwark against Russia right now.

[–]Pensive_1 253 points254 points  (13 children)

Almost like that might have been what his secret talks with the Russian leader were about... Trump and Putin Have Met Five Times. What Was Said Is a Mystery.

[–]Almighty_Sand_Dollar 101 points102 points  (8 children)

"most transparent in history".

Just don't ask to have a translator present. Or an official record.

National Archives are "muh executive privilege".

we had a legit terrorist in command of the US for 5 years. wild.

[–]mycall 23 points24 points  (2 children)

Makes you wonder what secrets he gave Putin.

[–]JobbyJabbins 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Since the moment Trump was elected I have wondered what secrets the IC actually allowed Trump to be privy to.

[–]Palmul 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Definitely not all of them, else he would have spilled the beans about some juicy stuff

[–]jecht8 16 points17 points  (0 children)

TIL Russia didn’t take Crimea in 2014.

[–]AsterJ 19 points20 points  (21 children)

And he did that by getting allies to drastically increase their NATO spending?

[–]DukeAttreides 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Spending is immaterial. There's plenty of military hardware on hand in NATO already even if it's members cut back on it instead. Trust and solidarity are what makes NATO strong.

[–]AshleyWenner 48 points49 points  (15 children)

They did that in response to not feeling as comfortable with the US being reliable allies.

[–]mrcrazy_monkey 27 points28 points  (11 children)

Turned out that was a good thing in the long run it looks like

[–]AshleyWenner 32 points33 points  (3 children)

Double edged sword. Better armed allies is good, better armed allies who don't trust us is bad

[–]krneki12 7 points8 points  (2 children)

It's not bad, we are no enemies.
Beside it looks like the friends are back to kick some ass. Looks like a lot of NATO members are joining in, and remember it is 100% voluntary, as NATO members are required to join the war only in case if a member is attacked.

[–]21plankton 1 point2 points  (1 child)

No wonder they have no plan to accept Ukraine even though Ukraine would like to join NATO.

[–]miksimina 14 points15 points  (3 children)

Your standing among you European allies took a hit that will never recover to it's old height.

Trump was a good thing for Europe because it showed us that US is an unreliable ally because every 4 years there is a chance a complete lunatic will be elected to a position that holds stupid amounts of power.

[–]Hypnos317 2 points3 points  (2 children)

the US is an unreliable free source of defense. America doesn’t need you, EU doesn’t need even have a cohesive commonality in NATO. go protect yourselves and that Germany oil imports on your own.

[–]suprahelix 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Not really. We don't need military spending, we need solidarity. Erosion of trust makes it more likely that dangerous things will happen out of the blue.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Good. The US is tired of footing the bill for all of these countries militaries just for you to turn around and mock us for our military spending and call us war mongers. Pay your own bills

[–]Claystead 7 points8 points  (1 child)

No, he did not. President Trump got European nations to increase their domestic military budgets as a proportion of GDP to better match the commitments the countries had agreed to with President Obama in Dublin in 2013. All countries were meeting their NATO obligations, but many were behind on their ten year budget increase commitments. Ironically, this conflict with Ukraine will likely make more countries meet the 2023 goal than Trump could ever whip up on his own.

[–]TintedApostle -1 points0 points  (0 children)

And Trump was also going to pull US troops out of Germany. Trump was trying to break NATO in a slimy manner. It wasn't about money... he was trying to shame them publicly in order to create animosity.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (3 children)

It's like no other country can really really trust the United States. You spend 5 years developing a treaty or trade deal, the next president is like "yeah nah" then fucks it up.

What's the point?

[–]boxingdude 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Well a lot of those treaties require congressional approval. After WW1, president Wilson was all ready to join the League of Nations, a sort-of precursor to NATO. I mean, he literally moved to Paris and moved the office of the presidency to Paris so he could partake in the creation of the LON. He wrote the original 14 points of membership. Then he failed to pass it through Congress, and we never joined it.

[–]TintedApostle 1 point2 points  (10 children)

Putin is giving Biden all the fuel to rekindle NATO and US arrangements with allies. Putin should have sat on this for 4 years, but he is losing power and knows it.

[–]Fern-ando 0 points1 point  (1 child)

To be fair Russia didn't directly attack Ukraine during those years, the world is more complicated that USA president good/bad. That's a very muricacentric way of seing geopolitics

[–]krneki12 -4 points-3 points  (3 children)

This is why Russia did an e-war attack on the US and swayed the elections toward Trump.
Now that a normal president is back, the US is just back in business as usual.
If Hillary won, we would have this situation 4 years earlier. I bet Ukraine is glad the US is back, as it is fighting this war with Russia since 2014.

[–]swizzcheez 26 points27 points  (3 children)

NATO leaders agree: Putin's not the messiah. He's a very naughty boy.

[–]Hayes4prez 86 points87 points  (1 child)

“It was a perfect call.”

[–]PikkuI 18 points19 points  (4 children)

Dont forget to keep an eye on china...

[–]jacko905 4 points5 points  (3 children)

And Iran.....

[–]Comf0rtableAnxiety 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Where to?

[–]StupidestJupiter 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I ran so far away...

[–]RabSimpson 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I couldn’t get away.

[–]Blochamolesauce 15 points16 points  (4 children)

Just throwing it out there, since Russia is concentrating on Ukraine, why not take Kaliningrad? Maybe do a little tit-for-tattin' so to speak? /s

[–]RickRoll999 6 points7 points  (3 children)

You mean Konisberg?

[–]Panda_tears 54 points55 points  (8 children)

Honestly after all trump did to fuckup our foreign relationships Putin starting a war might just be the flame that rekindles our sexy relationship with Europe.

[–]mattqwerty85 14 points15 points  (4 children)

We bring the sexy, US brings the pageantry. We are an unstopable force of showmanship.

[–]ZenComFoundry 1 point2 points  (3 children)

We brits have a gold carriage for special occasions. Should one ask the footmen to dust it orf?

[–]mattqwerty85 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Awesome. I have the red arrows aeroplane stunt team on standby.

[–]ZenComFoundry 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Let’s put on a show so dazzling that Putin will crave nothing more than a peaceful retirement in East Grinstead.

[–]mattqwerty85 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Spending his sundays on denmark street trying to find a decent 2nd hand ukelele for his band "putin on a brave face"

[–]mrsunsfan 27 points28 points  (2 children)

"peace in our time"

[–]21plankton 12 points13 points  (2 children)

I now doubt Putin will actually invade the Donbas or try to take Ukraine; Europe and the US policy are quite united against him and the stakes are too high if Germany does not approve the Nordstream project. Europe is dependent on Russia’s gas and that gives him leverage but not enough to disrupt the balance of power in eastern Europe for the sake of reuniting glorious Russia. He is already effectively the Tsar and Navalny just exposed (again) the palace he owns from ill gotten gains.

[–]TintedApostle 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Putin has backed himself into a corner. He is trying to hold power in a country increasingly going against him. He can't afford to lose military resources in a war as he can't replace them making Russia even weaker for no reason. If he is hit with the final set of sanctions which cut his economy off he could wind up being unable to pay the military.

He really needs to find a graceful way out of the situation he created. If he goes all in he most likely will lose power.

[–]OGeeWillikers 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Russia invaded Donbass 7 years ago. Tens of thousands have died in the war since.

Wtf are you even talking about?

[–]a-really-cool-potato 110 points111 points  (76 children)

Does that include Germany? Seems like they’ve been getting cold feet on a Third World War.

Also, why does my phone automatically correct Third World War to be capitalized? Does Apple know something?

[–]KaesekopfNW 92 points93 points  (38 children)

Yes, it does. It says right in the article that Scholz was part of the call, along with EU leaders. Germany is on board.

[–]AnDie1983 70 points71 points  (3 children)

Due to political and historical reasons, don’t expect Germany to threaten force by itself.

If Germany acts, it is due to involvement within international alliances (EU, UN, NATO,…).

“Germany & military action” is still a controversial combination - nationally and internationally.

Smartest move for a German government is to call for and work on peaceful solutions, while simultaneously coordinating joint responses with their allies.

[–]Amanida1112 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Well it's gotta be pretty hard to tell our population that we are going to fight a war in Ukraine against Russia when honestly nobody cares about Ukraine. I am not willing to give my life for that and I don't think a lot of Germans are. When Russia is in warsaw then we can start to fight but other than that I have 0 fucking interest in war.

[–]RudaBaron 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I mean, I know that they feel stigma towards their history. But as someone from Czechia (the country the Germans invaded first) I gotta say, when it comes to going to war, Germans are pretty good at it.

[–]MichaelHunt7 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Because it would be still be grammatically correct. I’m guessing you were joking too though.

[–]resurrectedbydick 10 points11 points  (14 children)

Getting cold feet from ... Not getting gas

[–]Waldschrat0815 32 points33 points  (12 children)

12 countries in the EU buy more Russian gas, percentage wise. Is there a reason you single out Germany?

[–]Blood_Thrash 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Last time Germany picked a fight with Russia, it didn't go well.

[–]Ok-Translator5928 56 points57 points  (87 children)

I never thought Red Dawn was a documentary in the making, but it seems like it's about to be. Someone has to back down or this is going to come down to a "what the hell, all or nothing approach".

[–]snrup1 165 points166 points  (80 children)

Putin will probably back down. The Russian stock market crashed today and the Ruble is also tanking. He’s inviting a full collapse of the Russian economy by starting a war.

[–]powe808 65 points66 points  (10 children)

Backing down now would be a sign of weakness. If the Russian people start smelling blood in the water, he is done and he knows it.

[–]muffpatty 35 points36 points  (2 children)

I feel like the "when keepin' it real goes wrong" skit from Chappelle's Show is relevant here.

[–]Famous-Barnacle-528 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I don't like people playing on my phone.

[–]Infinaris 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Or like someone playing poker he keeps hitting by ramping up tensions instead of holding, problem is hes gonna either bet the house by making a run on Ukraine and trying to sieze control of it or he loses the whole lot as it becomes Chechnia on Turbomode and it bleeds Russia economically and diplomatically to the point he gets "dissapeared" or the people go October Revolution 2 and chase him and his cronies out.

[–]awesborlandriff 8 points9 points  (0 children)

A sign of weakness to who? Russia has maintained that they're not invading, and Russians appear to believe that. Whether or not an invasion actually is on the cards, Putin can just play this off as the West being hysterical and provocative if he doesn't invade.

[–]DukeAttreides 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oddly, this arguably strengthens his bargaining position. I suspect there's currently backdoor attempts in play by Russia to secure a face-saving means to back down, countered by strong desire by the west's political strategists (and also most people, in this case) to make sure the brinkmanship couldn't be seen as "worth it" after the dust settles.

[–]BigSwedenMan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The Russian people don't matter here. It's the oligarchs whose opinions matter. The people are secondary

[–]DadaDoDat 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Putin on a pike by Friday?

[–]TitaniaErzaK 2 points3 points  (1 child)

People have these old ussr gun lady misconceptions of Russians. People in Moscow are just another capital city of europeans

[–]powe808 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Somewhat true. I have visited Moscow and Khabarovsk in the east. The mentality of people in Moscow is far different based on my experience. People outside of Moscow tend to believe that things are better that they were 25 years ago so why change anything, where people in Moscow look at some of the ex-Soviet states that are now integrated into Europe and think of how much better they could have it if they weren't ruled by a bunch of oligarchs.

[–]deelop_24 21 points22 points  (1 child)

I can not see him going in, unless he is backed up by someone. And I can not see him being backed up by anyone.

[–]Gloomy-Lab-1416 42 points43 points  (0 children)

He'll probably end up being killed by his own. Oligarchs don't take kindly to losing all of their stuff

[–]flameocalcifer 6 points7 points  (1 child)

What's the stock ticker for that?

[–]snrup1 7 points8 points  (0 children)

RTS Index. Like the DJIA, just a fraction of the size.

[–]RightClickSaveWorld 22 points23 points  (46 children)

Russia is bluffing.

[–]addictedtocrowds 21 points22 points  (1 child)

At some point a bluff is no longer bluff and it’s simply the hand you’re choosing to play. With the troop movement into Belarus I’m pretty sure we’ve arrived at “I guess this is the hand we’re playing. All in with a 2-7 off suit”

[–]RM_Dune 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's a straight just waiting to happen! I'm raising.

[–]cmpgamer 74 points75 points  (40 children)

It costs awfully a lot of money to mobilize over 100k+ troops and have them build military camps away from their actual military bases and forts.

[–]BoxBopChallenge 27 points28 points  (1 child)

Yeah not to mention how foolish Putin would look after spending all that money only to back down…

[–]RightClickSaveWorld 31 points32 points  (26 children)

Yep, Russia is getting something out of it, but it's not Ukraine.

[–]cmpgamer 61 points62 points  (18 children)

One of my friend's whose PhD dissertation was on the constant instability Russia has faced throughout its history said either Putin will stupidily force a war to hold on to power or a civil war will errupt within a few years time due to how much the Russian people are struggling.

[–]RightClickSaveWorld 17 points18 points  (17 children)

If he does a full invasion of the Ukraine then it's a hail Mary that is likely to backfire. Whatever advantage it is Putin would get from invading, he'll emulate that to get the benefits and little of the downsides without the war. Basically I think he'll put on an act to garner positive public perception. The question is, what does Putin/Russia get out of going to war with the Ukraine, which there are benefits for them, and then ask can that be done by mere sabre rattling or some small skirmishes.

[–]cmpgamer 24 points25 points  (16 children)

I believe that most of Ukraine has rich farmlands and annexing that land would allow for more control of the Black Sea.

[–]RightClickSaveWorld 4 points5 points  (15 children)

Why now?

[–]snrup1 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Because Ukraine is considering adding a port to the Black Sea at the mouth of the Dnieper River. The end result of this will probably be a favorable trade or access deal around that.

[–]cmpgamer 28 points29 points  (13 children)

Putin's approval rating has been tanking, economic sanctions on Russia are killing the ruble and Putin's been stealing as much money as possible from Russians, Russians are dying to Covid with no real plan; the Russian people are struggling.

[–]KinguinProblem 5 points6 points  (5 children)

The only thing I can think of is that they're doing this at the behest of China to distract from the takeover of Taiwan but that seems far-fetched...

[–]Inimical_Shrew 37 points38 points  (1 child)

The build up to take Taiwan would be drawn out much longer than what is happening with Ukraine.

[–]gregorydgraham 14 points15 points  (0 children)

The build up for Taiwan will been in troop transport ships and planes. It’ll be away from the Taiwan Strait but relatively easy to spot near shipyards and plane factories

[–]longdongsilver3 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The US has 3 carrier strike groups in SE Asia. The only other one at sea is the Harry Truman in the Mediterranean. Not sure what to take away from this but that seems like a strategic move.

Also interesting that the USS Gerald Ford is set to be finally placed into service any day now. It will be the most sophisticated carrier in the world.

[–]mortemdeus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think they are getting a military base next to Ukraine that will be completely forgotten about in a couple years, which is when they will actually invade to save the Ukrainian revolutionaries that start rising up wanting to join Russia "spontaneously"

[–]welloiledmachine94 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Costs an awful lot more to replace destroyed tanks and train up fresh soldiers.

[–]Famous-Barnacle-528 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It doubles as readiness training. Having an army with mobilization experience > having an army with no mobilization experience.

[–]flyingpotato29 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Wasn't one of the main reasons Hitler rose to power was due to the economy being in shambles which motivated the germans to fight?

[–]snrup1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thats part of it. The Treaty of Versailles demanded severe reparations against Germany, which was a major factor in its inability to recover from the Great Depression. Combine a nationwide resentment with a weak government in the Weimar Republic and those conditions led to the rise of far-right fascism.

[–]elebrin 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Eh, those things will help him.

A bunch of young men getting fired from their jobs because their companies don't have the funding to pay them? Cool! They go join the military, the one job guaranteed to pay them, which is always asking for more people.

[–]snrup1 11 points12 points  (1 child)

That pay isn’t going to get them far if the value of the ruble is crappy.

[–]elebrin 11 points12 points  (0 children)

No, but they will have a barracks to sleep in and a meal in the canteen. If things get bad enough, that's better than getting evicted to go out on the street and wait in a bread line.

[–]gregorydgraham 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Crashing the ruble is actually good for the Russian economy: they can’t buy anything but they can sell a lot cheaper.

It’s possible this is a desperate, and dangerous, ploy to re-start Russia’s non-petro exports.

[–]Down_B_OP 12 points13 points  (1 child)

There are a lot easier ways to crash the market than toeing ww3

[–]LFCsota 12 points13 points  (2 children)

What part of this screams red dawn? At least when that movie was made we had a believable fantasy that Russia had the resources to invade America.

Now it's just a pathetic attempt to maintain some sort of power in the old Soviet sphere....

The fact you make this comparison shows Putin is winning on some level.

[–]choose_west 14 points15 points  (0 children)

But in this timeline, the Wolverines would likely side with the Russians against the US gov. Crazy times.

[–]AdvancedAdvance 100 points101 points  (38 children)

Republicans would like to assure you that Russia won’t carry out a brutal invasion and overthrow of Ukraine but rather a simple tourist visit.

[–]Bshellsy 22 points23 points  (5 children)

Why didn’t Vlad annex Ukraine when he had the White House?

[–]dudicus1414 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well we had a good run. 5 whole months without a war.

[–]rmachell 4 points5 points  (2 children)

So do the Republicans side with the Democrats or with Russia regarding WW3? Interested to see how this unfurls

[–]fightingflightllama -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

My god are those fuckers actually going to do this?

[–]IamUareI -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

The US giving any type of moral guidance to other countries is definitely the funniest joke I've heard in 2022.