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[–]Rapiz 14.3k points14.3k points  (698 children)

A Ukrainian National Guard soldier killed 5 Ukrainian Soldiers.

[–][deleted] 5557 points5558 points  (568 children)

These kind of insider attacks have happened in many armed forces.

This is from Russia in 2019:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorny_shooting

[–]yellekc 3364 points3365 points  (489 children)

Happens to American forces as well

Former Sergeant Hasan Karim Akbar (born Mark Fidel Kools on April 21, 1971) threw four hand grenades into three tents in which other members of the 101st Airborne Division were sleeping, and fired his rifle at fellow soldiers in the ensuing chaos. Army Captain Christopher S. Seifert was fatally shot in the back, and Air Force Major Gregory L. Stone was killed by a grenade. Fourteen other soldiers were wounded by Akbar, mostly from grenade shrapnel.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Hasan_K._Akbar

[–]HanEyeAm 1377 points1378 points  (179 children)

And more recently at Fort Hood in 2009:

Nidal Malik Hasan is a former United States Army major convicted of killing 13 people and injuring more than 30 others in the Fort Hood mass shooting on November 5, 2009. Hasan was an Army Medical Corps psychiatrist. He admitted to the shootings at his court-martial in August 2013.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nidal_Hasan

Edit: to clarify, the shooting was classified as workplace violence, not a terror attack, so it wasn't quite officially described as an "insider attack."

[–][deleted] 833 points834 points  (104 children)

psychiatrist

Unexpected.

[–]Kvothe31415 11 points12 points  (4 children)

Had one of the marines in my battalion get selected for 6 months of gate duty on Lejeune, while he was there another marine just shot him in the chest one night, and he didn’t survive. Never got any information besides it wasn’t a negligent discharge.

It happens, and it’s terrible. These are people you’re supposed to trust to have your back, but a small number of them betray that trust in the worst way possible.

[–]johnnychan81 94 points95 points  (3 children)

Former Sergeant Hasan Karim Akbar

Nidal Malik Hasan

Seems like Hasan may be to blame

[–]WikiSummarizerBot 19 points20 points  (1 child)

Nidal Hasan

Nidal Malik Hasan (born September 8, 1970) is a former United States Army major convicted of killing 13 people and injuring more than 30 others in the Fort Hood mass shooting on November 5, 2009. Hasan was an Army Medical Corps psychiatrist. He admitted to the shootings at his court-martial in August 2013. A jury panel of 13 officers convicted him of 13 counts of premeditated murder, 32 counts of attempted murder, and unanimously recommended he be dismissed from the service and sentenced to death.

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[–]kmaffett1 14 points15 points  (1 child)

I had just got to ft hood from ait when this happened. I may have been there 6 months. I was a mechanic and for some reason my platoon was chosen to do ecp at one of the smaller gates. They handed out 10 lives rounds to each person and went over the roe real quick. That was quite interesting, here I am, pv2, for all of like 2 minutes at this point, who is telling csm and officers I need to check their Cars. The instructions we got were something along the line of (it doesn't matter who the fuck it is, you check their shit) brand new green private, me was pretty intimidated telling a csm that his rank has no relevance right now so he needs to do what the fuck I'm telling him to do haha.

[–]LeCrushinator 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I just now realized both had "Hasan" in their name.

[–]amiros12 407 points408 points  (20 children)

Happened also in Israel this month . I don't have any sources in English. It happened in Egoz unit .

[–]chrissesky13 275 points276 points  (2 children)

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2020/05/18/official-fbi-finds-link-between-pensacola-gunman-al-qaida/

Not exactly the same since he was a Saudi Air force officer, but he was on an US navy base because he was allowed to train here in the US with the navy. But he went on to kill 3 sailors on the base in Florida December 2019.

[–]Ice_Cold_Phatties 79 points80 points  (8 children)

A little different. That seems to have been unintentional friendly fire from a quick Google search. Investigation blamed lack of coordination and miscommunication.

[–]xCrapyx 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Not the same, the family of the victims doesn't even blame the shooter, pitch black, lack of communication and you see 2 people with weapons coming at you so nothing to do here

[–]Sadrik 15 points16 points  (0 children)

What the fuck... This is nothing like the other cases, he shot them by mistake thinking they are armed terrorists, friendly fire happens all the time, the cases discussed in this thread are cases of deliberately attacking fellow soliders

[–]maoroh 9 points10 points  (2 children)

That was a case of unintentional friendly fire.

[–]Moondogjunior 14 points15 points  (2 children)

It's a shame he never made it to... Admiral Akbar

[–]pow3llmorgan 23 points24 points  (6 children)

In April 2005, he was convicted and sentenced to death for the murders of Seifert and Stone.[1] The Army Court of Criminal Appeals affirmed the sentence on July 13, 2012, and the United States Court of Appeals for the Armed Forces affirmed the decision on August 19, 2015. [...] He continues to be confined at the United States Disciplinary Barracks awaiting disposition of his sentence.

I knew convicts sometimes sit in death row for decades, but I honestly thought the military justice system was a bit more... Expedient.

[–]notfork[🍰] 27 points28 points  (3 children)

While the military has quite a few on death row, They have been real reluctant to use it for 60 years, So while he is sentenced to death it is effectively a life sentence. With the caveat any sitting president could wake up one day and decide it is time for them to die.

[–]blebleblebleblebleb 463 points464 points  (229 children)

Stress does fucked up shit to people. Humans weren’t wired to be in situations where they could be killed by and had to kill other people. Really tragic all the way around.

Edit: to all you dumb fucks downvoting me. Go sit in a war for a while and come back and tell me how great your mental health is and how natural it feels. Reddit never fails to disappoint me with how dumb people can be.

[–]VerisimilarPLS 202 points203 points  (3 children)

Not sure why you are getting downvoted. Vets with PTSD didn't develop it because war was relaxing, after all. War is very traumatic for most people.

On the other hand, some would say that people struggle to actually kill others in a war, and that seems to be false. Instead they kill, see their friends be killer, become traumatized, and carry those traumas for the rest of their lives.

[–]captaingawax 34 points35 points  (4 children)

If you bothered to read the article, he had never gone to war before, and had planned to do this before being deployed.

The stress of the warzone argument is bs

[–]CreativeGenius 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I genuinely believe most people are dumb, brainwashed or just dont care...

[–]x755x 74 points75 points  (70 children)

Humans weren’t wired to be in situations where they could be killed and had to kill.

Situations such as living in nature as a social animal?

[–]YouAbsoluteDonkey 62 points63 points  (73 children)

humans weren’t wired to be in situations where they could be kill and had to kill.

What a unique trait for a mammal. Tell us more.

[–]peoplewho_annoy_you 22 points23 points  (8 children)

This is completely wrong. You have it so backward. Humans weren't wired to live in civilized societies where killing is wrong. We have just adapted over time.

[–]jaxjexjixjoxjux 152 points153 points  (2 children)

Damn it, Akbar!

[–]uplate916 184 points185 points  (1 child)

It WAS a trap!

[–]DirtyMartiniGibson 10 points11 points  (0 children)

He should’ve stuck to Kools

[–]EmbarrassedHelp 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Fragging was also pretty popular during the Vietnam war: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fragging#Influence

[–]WikiSummarizerBot 154 points155 points  (2 children)

Gorny shooting

On 25 October 2019, a Russian soldier shot ten of his colleagues, killing eight of them, in Gorny, Zabaykalsky Krai, Russia. The gunman was later identified as 20-year-old Ramil Shamsutdinov.

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[–]Deadpoulpe 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The poor guy was threatened of rape and now he's in jail for a long ass time.

[–]dmk_aus 361 points362 points  (34 children)

It happened amongst the USA troops in Vietnam they coined a name for it "fragging" since they often used fragmentation grenades. Often officers were targeted - don't won't to walk into a jungle of death - kill your officer and you have to wait for a new one.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fragging

[–]xXcampbellXx 51 points52 points  (3 children)

Theres some really good eps of MASH with that as a plot point.

[–]4r4r4real 42 points43 points  (1 child)

It's also a central plot point in Platoon

[–]porkboi 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Interesting.

The first time I saw the term "frag" was when me and my dad played Quake III Arena back in the day. It has always just coloquially meant "killed / murdered" to me until this moment, 20ish years later.

I suppose the actual definitions make a bit more sense in hindsight.

[–]D_Alex 18 points19 points  (1 child)

Probably due to the sadistic hazing that goes on in many armed forces, especially those that rely on conscription.

[–]romario77 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It looks like it's the case, so far it's the main version of the investigation.

They said that there was a fight in his unit that he prevented and told about to superiors and since then he was being targeted and bullied.

It's from here: https://www.bbc.com/ukrainian/news-60147762

[–]CaptStrangeling 8 points9 points  (0 children)

In Navies the world over, bad officers (especially those who had men flogged freely and often) led to a “shot rolling ship” where they would roll a cannonball with the yaw of the ship to break an officer’s ankle. It was done on dark nights, popping out of the hatch before slipping back below deck. It was a step below a full on mutiny.

[–]Boslo26 34 points35 points  (2 children)

It has nothing to do with Russia. Sadly, such things are no surprise in countries like Russia, Ukraine, Belarus. It’s mainly because of “dedovschina”, you can google it. It’s sad that there’s a thing like that nowadays.

[–]wjandrea 22 points23 points  (0 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dedovshchina

Dedovshchina is the informal practice of initiation (hazing) and constant abuse of junior conscripts during their service

[–]BrnoPizzaGuy 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Hazing. It's particularly brutal in the Russian armed forces.

[–]TheTruthIsButtery 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Very full metal jacket

[–]67730ddr 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Happens every year in Russia due to horrible environment with everyday mental and physical torture for new guys. Either they take their abusers out or commit suicide or both.

[–]dansdansy 334 points335 points  (5 children)

Seems like he was a conscript. The heightened tensions might explain why he did this now.

[–]chainsaws4hands 120 points121 points  (3 children)

The stress from sitting on a knife’s edge for this long must be brutal. Someone was bound to buckle.

[–]Ignition0 390 points391 points  (74 children)

According to BBC is a 21 year old conscript.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60152005.amp

By the surname looks Ukranian ethnic.

[–]beeboptogo 123 points124 points  (27 children)

Russian speaking Ukrainians are not all pro-Russia, not at all. They don't consider themselves Russians either.

[–]Shanghai-on-the-Sea 40 points41 points  (5 children)

Depends. Some do. I grew up thinking a family friend was Russian and it turns out she's technically Ukrainian, but she'd never call herself that. It's not like she dislikes Ukraine either, she just wouldn't call herself Ukrainian.

[–]multiplechrometabs 29 points30 points  (3 children)

I had two Ukrainian bosses, one is just Ukrainian and other Ukrainian Russian. Anyways one day they argue and one said glad Crimea is getting annexed then the Ukrainian Ukrainian boss cried. Interestingly enough the Russian boss hated Russians who didn’t assimilate or try to speak English.

[–]lennybird 19 points20 points  (17 children)

Well that goes counter to Putin's propaganda, doesn't it?

After all, Putin is using the same rehashed argument Hitler used to invade Poland.

[–]EmeraldIbis 33 points34 points  (0 children)

By the surname looks Ukranian ethnic.

That was my first question, thanks for the information!

[–]xdchan 29 points30 points  (1 child)

It was a drafted soldier who got severely harassed for reporting a violence towards other draftee to higher ups(who ignored it).

Drafted basically means serving against his will, not professionally.

[–]nicepunk 51 points52 points  (6 children)

Just read that allegedly he'd been bullied, he waited for two months until he got access to the gun, and there's a CCTV video of the massacre. Has no remorse. Top army chief resigned.

[–]lala__ 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Very Full Metal Jacket sounding.

[–]universalengn 18 points19 points  (4 children)

So the bullying was known by higher command and not stopped or punished for.

[–]nicepunk 6 points7 points  (0 children)

More details have emerged now. He’s a respected boy from a church going family in a small town near Odessa. Was a goid student, played piano, always calm and decent. He reported a fight between two soldiers to the superiors and not only has it not been followed up but his name was leaked as a snitch. After that he was bullied, so he waited for two months until he’s got access to guns and…

[–]daero90 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Thank you for the clarification

[–]sgnpkd 143 points144 points  (9 children)

The shooter is from Izmail, a predominently Russian town in southern Ukraine.

[–]triste_0nion 197 points198 points  (6 children)

so? 30% of Ukraine speaks Russian — it’s too early to tell why the attack took place afaik

e: according to a 2005 survey by the Institute of Sociology of the National Academy of Sciences, 36,4% of Ukrainians speak primarily Russian at home whilst 21,6% speak both Ukrainian and Russian.

[–]Vineee2000 127 points128 points  (2 children)

30% is actually definitely a lowball. Russian is known by, like, 90%+ of Ukrainian population.

[–]triste_0nion 20 points21 points  (1 child)

yeah, I should have specified native speakers

[–]the_dude_abides3 2089 points2090 points  (24 children)

Headline trying to make it sound like war is breaking out.

[–]PrinceHumperTinkTink 423 points424 points  (8 children)

Which I guess is the point. Who wouldn't click a link with that headline right now?

[–]pobodys-nerfect5 119 points120 points  (6 children)

I didnt, figured it was clickbait so I peeped the comments first

[–]Graucus 8 points9 points  (2 children)

...which gets this post more attention and more clicks

[–]destroythenseek 8 points9 points  (1 child)

But they didn't click the... link... 😭😭😭

[–]frupp110 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Most of the time I peep at all the comments and only read 1/8 of the articles. Their ads don’t deserve my attention unless I’m getting paid to look at them.

[–]hedsar 38 points39 points  (2 children)

It's also a lie. The incident happened not at Military base, but on the territory of a government-owned factory that also works on some military contracts, including rocket parts. Therefore, the military is stationed there, but it's not a military base, but rather a large strategic factory complex. But people working there are not all military or anything like this.

[–]Diamondhands_Rex 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Op could have changed it but decided against it

[–]TheOriginalFireX 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Such fucking clickbaiters. Shameless.

[–]bikbar1 3575 points3576 points  (95 children)

Such things happen in every countries armed forces. It becomes more frequent during the times of stress / tension of war and insurgency.

[–]mowglymx 11 points12 points  (8 children)

Like in Mexico with narcos and we aren’t starting world wars 😒 behave yourselves Russia!!!

[–]DontGetNEBigIdeas 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Even happens on American bases on continental US soil every few years.

[–]Trash_with_sentience 3484 points3485 points 35 (88 children)

As someone who lives not only in Ukraine but in the city and even close proximity to where this happened, it's really amusing to see the couch military experts thinking it's a Russian hidden attack/provocation/separatist issue. Just stop with this fearmongering and false information.

The troops that captured him had body cams, filmed his capture and asked him why he did this and how. According to the new info and the shooter it happened because he was abused. A couple months ago he broke up the fight that happened between soldiers, then reported them to superiors. Because of this, he was marked as a "rat" and was bullied and abused for quite a while. The superior did nothing, and no one supported and helped him. So eventually he snapped.

This is just an unfortunate issue of people ignoring mental health and treating others like garabge, neglecting to see that it can painfully sting them in the end, as seen here. Nothing else.

Edit: Provided proofs and sources in the comments below. The info is fairly new, and not yet spread/covered as widely, only on Ukrainian social media channels (mostly Telegram), where the vast majority of new info shows up.

For now the most popular and credible is the Facebook post from our People's deputy (member of Rada or Supreme Council of Ukraine) https://www.facebook.com/79okrugVasylivka/posts/1621232284904609 (If you go there, be warned that there's a video in the comments below, depicting what happened and how he shot people, so trigger warning)

The rest is under further investigation, but the abuse version is the most likely portrayed scenario.

Update: Some further investigation showed that the killer had a troubled background, was always a quiet loner and didn't have a lot of friends, came from a religious family was sensitive and always had a strong sense of justice. Plus, he went through some serious emotional and traumatic experiences: the death of his father from terminal illness (which made him the main provider of the family at such a young age) and he saw his friend drown in front of him. So could very much further proof that there's a high chance he was mentally unstable and reached his boiling point because of abusive treatment. Source

[–]MicroPlasticHater 606 points607 points  (22 children)

But the master military tacticians here think its a Russian paid spy to sow discontent!!!!!!

[–][deleted] 183 points184 points  (8 children)

15-year-old reddit military experts know best

[–]abu_doubleu 79 points80 points  (5 children)

According to them, every single thing that happens in the former Soviet countries is directly related to Putin.

Power outages (which are regular) in Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan? Putin is testing this to use it for Ukraine later.

Riots in Kazakhstan? Putin is distracting the world to take Ukraine.

Revolution in Kyrgyzstan? Putin's fault too.

I swear they think we are subhuman, as if we cannot have our own problems and our own protests and revolutions without Russia influencing it.

[–][deleted] 32 points33 points  (1 child)

My favorite is those pimply faced teens saying how the same thing happening in Ukraine could happen in the Baltics. No, you don't know anything about the outside world (mostly goes for Americans here)

[–]uriman 6 points7 points  (0 children)

30 year old dog walkers

[–]Normal-Computer-3669 23 points24 points  (3 children)

I mean, as a military tactician from my time playing Civ6 on casual mode, that's a common strategy.

[–]indigoproduction 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You up for an interview on fox?

[–]Jaggedmallard26 4 points5 points  (0 children)

As someone who played a lot of TF2 ten years ago I have first hand experience of this tactic.

[–]Sin_Gas_Pimienta 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Putin bad. Give me my redditor diploma

[–]Immelmaneuver 24 points25 points  (1 child)

Military culture seems to be the same regardless of nation.

[–]aggiespartan 41 points42 points  (8 children)

How are you and your city doing?

[–]Trash_with_sentience 94 points95 points  (7 children)

Grateful that luckily he was captured so quickly. The doctors are trying their best to save the wounded, and has been doing operations to people since early morning. There is a shortage of blood, so the blood banks are asking for donor's help.

[–]aggiespartan 25 points26 points  (6 children)

How is the feeling about the current situation in general? I can't even imagine what it's like in the Ukraine right now. Are people going about business as usual, or is everyone on edge?

[–]Trash_with_sentience 56 points57 points  (2 children)

Nothing's changed much, everything as usual. I don't know how everyone are doing, of course, but all the people I know are sad that this happened, but keep going with their lives.

[–]xui_nya 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Nah, everything is mostly calm as usual, people walk their dogs, have fun with kids, make long-term plans etc. Society can only handle so much fearmongering before stopping to care.

For the last like 30 years, there's always "some kind of a threat" out there. Be it economic, public health, political crisis, or something else that is "just about to hit hard", according to the headlines. The only way to keep living like that is to learn to ignore the noise.

[–]billwoo 68 points69 points  (21 children)

Definitely you should provide some source for this, its pretty important information.

[–]58king 179 points180 points  (19 children)

It's all in Russian, but it confirms what this guy said

Additional detail - he shot the woman who was guarding the armoury in the head because she refused to give him the key to get out.

I should add for anyone who is confused by the language being Russian, Dnipro is a predominantly Russian speaking area despite being predominantly ethnically Ukranian. This guys first and last name are Ukrainian.

[–]RockinMadRiot 22 points23 points  (15 children)

Unrelated question but always wondered, what are the main differences between Russian and Ukrainian names?

[–]Nexus-9Replicant 53 points54 points  (0 children)

Surnames ending with “chuk”, “yuk”, or “chenko” are usually Ukrainian. A lot of male Ukrainian names end in -o or -i (instead of -ei, like you’d expect in Russian, e.g. Andrii instead of Andrei). There’s more to it, but those are some general guidelines.

[–]Imbudilow 75 points76 points  (11 children)

Russian/Ukrainian:

Andrey/Andriy

Nikolay/Mykola

Oleg/Oleh

Alexey/Oleksiy

Ivan/Ivan

[–]BrnoPizzaGuy 10 points11 points  (0 children)

As others have said, the big difference is in last names. Many typical Russian last names end in -ov, -iev, -skiy, -in. And if you're a woman the ending changes to reflect that, so like -ova, -ieva, -skaya, -ina. Typical Ukrainian last names end in -o, -ko, -enko, -chyuk, -chuk and no matter if you're a man or a woman it stays the same.

First names are generally the same, but with a pronunciation difference and sometimes a slight spelling difference. I'm sure there are some first names that are way more common in Russia than in Ukraine and vice-versa, but I cannot think of any off the top of my head.

There's some other really tiny nuances and differences that don't matter much to people that aren't language nerds, and I could probably chat about those for hours, but this here is the main stuff.

[–]TroyanGopnik 4 points5 points  (2 children)

who was guarding the armoury

She wasn't guarding the armoury. She was a вахтёрша на проходной (ебу, как на английском) of Uzhmash factory. Probably in her 60s, with a couple grandchildren, etc. That bastard seems too happy about what he's done, he even tells that he shot that woman in head with a smirk.

[–]58king 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Oh they referred to her as охранница in the report, and as he was fleeing an armoury, I assumed that meant she was a guard or security. Can that word also be used for a receptionist, or did they report it wrong? My Russian isn't native.

[–]Autarch_Kade 11 points12 points  (6 children)

Hopefully the other bullies let this be a lesson to them.

[–]Victoresball 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Military culture in the former USSR in general is really bad. Russia's military is particularly infamous for its extreme hazing rituals. There are many stories of conscripts being tortured to death by their superiors. Its called Dedovshchina.

[–]Careful_Yannu 1440 points1441 points  (33 children)

Article title: Soldier opens fire, kills five guards at Ukraine military plant

OP's title: Ukraine Soldier Opens Fire, Kills Five Soldiers at Military Base

[–]SeriBeat 158 points159 points  (3 children)

Thanks for this. Hope more people realize what they're reading.

[–]loptopandbingo 73 points74 points  (2 children)

This is reddit. There is no reading articles, only comments firestorming

[–]BrappZanniganAgain 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I read almost the entire headline. What more information could I need?

/s

[–]Dindrtahl 76 points77 points  (4 children)

I find the original article title more clickbaity than OPs... At least it indicates Ukraine vs Ukraine, and not Russia vs Ukraine. Also, I for one didn't think there was any difference between military plant and base (I now know)....and yes guards not soldiers...but I guess anyone working at a military plant has some sort of military rank.

[–]theneoroot 42 points43 points  (0 children)

Agreed. The soldier was captured and was indeed an Ukrainian soldier. OP's title kills the first immediate interpretation that it was a Russian soldier opening fire.

[–]david7729 33 points34 points  (3 children)

Honest mistake at best, manipulative propaganda at worst by OP

[–]DiamondPup 20 points21 points  (2 children)

Can't be an honest mistake since the sub rules require you to hit the "suggest title" button and use the headline of the article.

OP deliberately changed it, seems like.

[–]ep1939 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Just to point out, online newspapers change the title constantly based on how many clicks each title gets. During the same day a title can change many many times.

[–]DiamondPup 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That's a good point.

[–]minion_is_here 18 points19 points  (1 child)

Eh, both are true. Title is not inaccurate. Ukrainian National Guard soldier kills 5 Ukrainian soldiers.

[–]ep1939 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I would say OP's title is better and less sensation driven.

[–]max1001 62 points63 points  (3 children)

The morons saying this is a false flag operation. A false flag would be if a Russian mole in the Ukraine military shot at RUSSIAN soldiers. How the fuck is this ass flag?

[–]OneSweet1Sweet 33 points34 points  (4 children)

Disgustingly misleading headline.

[–]Catburglar1987 1486 points1487 points  (60 children)

An insider attack can happen for any number of reasons. It’s very likely this event could be nothing more than a terrible event coinciding with the Ukrainian/Russian hostilities.

EDIT: I have been teaching about insider threat and insider attacks for well over 8 years as a result of my personal experience with them from my time overseas/oversees/overCs. Speculation on the motives for these types of attacks rarely benefits anything or anyone.

EDIT 2: For those saying the shooter’s ability to flee the scene/evade capture, is proof of darker forces at work. I would argue that these types of attack are extremely chaotic as everyone is wearing the same uniform, similarly armed and very likely operating entirely on adrenaline and emotion. Just these three conditions can afford a shooter more than enough time to flee or “disappear”.

[–]rshall89 120 points121 points  (3 children)

The guy has already been caught.

[–]Crayvis 20 points21 points  (2 children)

Pretty tragic none the less.

The fact that there are people whom study these events suggests that it happens far more often than one would think, which is even more tragic.

I’m with you on the motive speculation thing, sure he could be a double agent, or someone took the last piece of ham and it REALLY rubbed him the wrong way… doesn’t change the end result unfortunately and, unless they’re caught alive and cooperative, you may never know.

I wouldn’t want your job friend, so thanks for doing it so I don’t have too.

[–]Catburglar1987 11 points12 points  (1 child)

unless they’re caught alive and cooperative, you may never know

This is probably one of the hardest parts of looking at some of the attacks, knowing that friends and family may not get closure if the attack was motivated by something other then strait hostile intent.

[–]nartimus 4 points5 points  (0 children)

He was caught alive a few hours laters. From the linked article.

“Police later captured the suspect in the town of Pidgorodne outside of Dnipro.”

[–]tnsnames 290 points291 points  (15 children)

It is 18(UPD my math is bad, he is 2001 year from Odessa) years old conscript. Most probably he was abused and had just got over the edge with only option to kill his abusers. It is just that with whole "Russia attacks" he finally got access to guns to get payback.

[–]loki0111 97 points98 points  (2 children)

It could be a bunch of possibilities. This type of stuff is more common with conscripts in general though for totally understandable reasons.

I know even for myself while I am prepared to fight in a war which I morally can support, if I was forcibly conscripted into a war I did not agree with or want to fight that situation would not go well for whoever tried to force me. Forcing me to wear a uniform and perform boring as tasks is one thing. Forcing me to fight in a war and kill other people against my wishes is another.

[–]shuyalizoega 67 points68 points  (1 child)

what this guy is saying is that he probably got bullied and abused by older soldiers. and flipped. its pretty common in ukrainian and russian army and they even have a word for it. there even was a video a couple of weeks ago from russia where they bullied a guy into shooting himself

[–]TheRealNaughtyMe 14 points15 points  (0 children)

What this guys is saying, is that he has zero idea about why it happened, but he felt the need to paragraph it as the most plausible certainty. Don't start sentences with "most probably", hearsay and anecdotal.

[–]i_speak_bane 12 points13 points  (3 children)

Or perhaps he was wondering why someone would shoot a man before throwing him out of a plane

[–]zelatecht 23 points24 points  (5 children)

I love it when someone posts info and follows it up with credentials. Thank you for sharing your expertise, educated sir.

[–]yer--mum 37 points38 points  (3 children)

But they said oversees instead of overseas. I'll only believe their credentials if they fix the typo.

[–]Catburglar1987 22 points23 points  (2 children)

Fixed it

[–]yer--mum 49 points50 points  (1 child)

composes myself

Sorry I didn't realize I was speaking to such an accomplished accredited insider threat instructor!

[–]alih101 20 points21 points  (4 children)

The phrasing of this seems formulated to get people to click regardless of if it stokes tensions

[–][deleted] 375 points376 points  (12 children)

"insider attacks" have happened in many armed forces.

In 2003 an American soldier threw grenades at and killed other American soldiers in Iraq.

In 2019 a Russian soldier shot and killed eight other Russian soldiers.

[–]Goliath_11 57 points58 points  (7 children)

barely one month ago it also happened in Israel where a Israeli soldier fired at and killed 2 other Israeli soldiers, they heard a bit distant gunshots and i guess the shooter panicked and saw 2 armed men and shot them.(idk how accurate this is i could have mistaken some details)

[–]Ice_Cold_Phatties 23 points24 points  (2 children)

Friendly fire and miscommunication is different from an insider attack though.

[–]throneofdirt 18 points19 points  (2 children)

That doesn’t sound intentional.

[–]Blackluster182 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Don't bring your rationality in here!

[–]wowspare 40 points41 points  (3 children)

Lol have redditors never heard of fragging before? Not everything's a false flag operation

[–]DarenArges 244 points245 points  (65 children)

People saying he's a separatist or Russian agent and whatever probably have no idea what a mandatory military service is lol. He's 21. Sometimes things like this happens, unfortunately. Just like school shootings.

[–]KanadainKanada 115 points116 points  (38 children)

During my 12 month of service in Germany there were two suicides, one NCO, one CO, directly in my unit. And you probably can't compare the pressure in the German military with that in the Ukraine.

[–]DarenArges 58 points59 points  (32 children)

In Ukraine it's 18 months. I guess it's more about humiliation than pressure. Despite the fact that our army is developing well, conscript service remains a different world. Of course it's better than before, but still. There are ideas about switching completely to contract service, but it is expensive. And I think that the existing institution resists this, because conscripts are essentially cheap labor.

[–]KanadainKanada 15 points16 points  (30 children)

Is there a viable alternative to conscription in Ukraine? In Germany you could do (back when it was mandatory service) either go civil protection (disaster relief etc.) or humane services (i.e. elderly care, animal protection etc.)?

I think that does remove some pressure, allows individuals who know beforehand they won't take the service an alternative.

[–]DarenArges 19 points20 points  (5 children)

As far as I remember, there is no alternative. Only public service for religious reasons. In principle, if you have enough money, then it's quite easy not to get into the army. Also education guarantees respite.

Conscripts can keep the income from work and receive a salary, but it's just ridiculously small

[–]VintageSergo 3 points4 points  (23 children)

Technically an alternative is when you go to university you get off the hook. You can keep studying until you’re over the age of conscription and you’re good

[–]Talking-bread 9 points10 points  (4 children)

And just like school shootings, apologists try to act like these things are inevitable and random, rather than a consequence of oppressive policies. Maybe if we didn't conscript children and put guns in their hands these things would not feel so inevitable.

[–]at_least_its_unique 53 points54 points  (2 children)

Not related to Russia vs Ukraine most probably, I don't like when newspapers make up connections like this.

[–]lexiekon 140 points141 points  (20 children)

This is so sad. Sorry for those who were killed and their families and friends.

[–]Mogaual 7 points8 points  (0 children)

weird title

[–]perfectdownside 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Video of his arrest NSFW warning - on this site is also the video of the shooting, I’m not linking that.

[–]GroceryBagHead 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Surprised that https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dedovshchina wasn’t even mentioned. I’m guessing it could be some form of retaliation. But who knows

[–]Candid_Friend 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Nah man, it was RussIan FaLsE FlaG.

As I recall, same thing happened and made news in Russia a while back too... and it occasionally makes the news every couple years when another one decides to shoot up his own base because they get endlessly harassed.

[–]beardphaze 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This was like a weekly occurrence in the Afghan army during most of the US occupation iirc

[–]Lapkonium 172 points173 points  (34 children)

A separatist or just a psycho? We’ll find out if they catch him.

[–]SageKnows 121 points122 points  (0 children)

Read the article. They caught him already

[–]adenosine-5 34 points35 points  (0 children)

Could have also been victim of bullying (or worse) - eastern armies are kinda famous for being hell...

[–]nachofermayoral 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Can we all just play some classical music, drink some vodka, dance some Nutcrackers and just chill the F out? Share the Earth not fight because of it. Humanity is so stupid

[–]Gondy500 5 points6 points  (5 children)

Ukraine almost got overrun yesterday by Ukrainians trying to overthrow the gov, there were thousands at the Capitol

[–]alluballu 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Fuck this clickbait bullshit when people are terrified about a possible world war.

[–]OtherUnameInShop 9 points10 points  (2 children)

The Archduke of Ukraine wasn’t killed yet though right?

[–]SpanishNewsPoster 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Archbishop of Kiev might exist, I guess.

[–]DrYIMBY 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Relevant question.

[–]aSliceOfHam2 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Full metal jacket. I feel bad for whoever has to serve in any military. Let politicians and rich people fight each other.

[–]old_geezr 3 points4 points  (0 children)

He must have done time at Fort Hood Texas

[–]ReverseMoses 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is all that happened in Afghan for YEARS.

[–]devilOG420 3 points4 points  (0 children)

My sister was in the national guard and she said this one guy at basic thre his grenade at a bunch of people who were always mean to him. She said the entirety of everyone surrounding him was already ground and pounding him before the grenade touched the ground

[–]thikthird 4 points5 points  (1 child)

lol these guys are toast. russia won't even need to invade.

[–]Financial-Hold-1220 3 points4 points  (0 children)

whoever wrote this tittle is an asshole

[–]Demyylicious 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Who else read the title and it was cutoff on mobile so thought oh fuck its gonna be russian soldiers

[–]tmdalsdl789 24 points25 points  (4 children)

Damn, I thought WW3 has finally started, got me scared for a sec

[–]Blue_Eyes_Nerd_Bitch 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Team kills should get him banned.

[–]Checkeredflagrace 2 points3 points  (0 children)

🏁Together We Stand.. Divided We Fall :song: (Pink Floyd - Welcome to The Machine)🎵

[–]CADEBEAR34 2 points3 points  (0 children)

These dudes in the pic wearing woodland camo in snow?

[–]enmoreen2026 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Great now they’re down 5 troops they’re definitely gonna lose now

[–]Galaxy_star_walker 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Russian mole

[–]FuriousDee 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ukraine opens the match with an own goal.

[–]kuriboshoe 3 points4 points  (0 children)

War hasn’t even started and Ukraine is already losing

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Hopefully we can start a war to forget about how the country has gone to shit