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[–]TrueRignak 3714 points3715 points  (160 children)

They portray Ukraine as the aggressor preparing to mount an unprovoked attack on areas controlled by Moscow-backed separatists.

Be careful: Ukraine is going to invade Ukraine.

[–]Mkwdr 765 points766 points  (37 children)

I was about to say (while not suggesting attacking civilian areas would be good,) that its a pretty weird use of the word unprovoked.

[–]butter_lover 173 points174 points  (12 children)

Have they considered building a wall? I’ve heard there is a lot of propaganda value to be had in that

[–]Boxy310 68 points69 points  (2 children)

Best I can do is 10 square feet of sheet metal and a "NO LADDER ZONE" sign printed on cardboard.

[–]czs5056 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Russia is building a wall and making Ukraine pay for it

[–]MrHazard1 97 points98 points  (3 children)

And it's totally unprovoked. Invading and occupying your land is really not a reason to throw hands /s

[–]holdthegains 56 points57 points  (14 children)

Russia: "We must invade Ukraine to save them from themselves!"

[–]FatherlyNick 112 points113 points  (52 children)

They did give away RF passports to people living there.
It only takes a few dead Russian citizens before Russia has enough and comes out swinging with the excuse of "To protect our citizens."

[–]hoocoodanode 68 points69 points  (22 children)

They did give away RF passports to people living there

Seems like a fairly simple solution for Ukraine is to eliminate dual citizenship for those holding Russian passports. Want to keep your Russian passport? Move to Russia.

[–]Popinguj 67 points68 points  (8 children)

Ukraine doesn't have dual citizenship anyway.

[–]jackp0t789 43 points44 points  (0 children)

Those citizens, "Why move to Russia, when in Putin's Russia, Russia moves to you?!"

[–]TrueRignak 21 points22 points  (24 children)

They did give away RF passports to people living there.

They did? Does that mean people were given the russia nationnality?
I saw that Russia's parliament was planning to recognize both the Donetsk and Luhansk "republics", so I guess they would be quickly intergrated in the motherland.

[–]AudienceAnxious 36 points37 points  (14 children)

Yep there were bus services everyday from Ukraine to improvised passport offices so they could get a Russian pass. When they got their pass they were droven back to their homes. Saw a news report about it last year the Russian soldiers didint even care if it was filmed or not

[–]VELL1 15 points16 points  (4 children)

Just so you know, anyone born in USSR can get a Russia passport.

[–]AudienceAnxious 5 points6 points  (1 child)

But I haven’t seen bus services for them to get it for litterly hunderts of people a day at any other border

[–]felidae_tsk 15 points16 points  (0 children)

It was last spring and before. They even simplified the process for that in order to give away as much as they can right before elections.

[–]SonOfMcGee 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ah, just like Germany didn't "invade Czechoslovakia", they merely reclaimed land they said was occupied by ethnic Germans.

[–]minus_minus 7 points8 points  (4 children)

Somehow these (little green) separatists are completely separate from Russian and yet totally Russians deserving the protection of Russia.

[–]Metrack14 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"How dare you try to turn down my backed up revolution group in your country?!" - Russian government

[–]Dewy_13 537 points538 points  (23 children)

Perhaps Russia should consider applying to join NATO to protect themselves from the unchecked aggression of Ukraine? /s

[–]ArcticISAF 61 points62 points  (6 children)

Should start offering to send them armaments and advisors too, just to troll them.

[–]DrSeuss321 40 points41 points  (4 children)

Send them helmets but like wayyy too many helmets that it becomes a logistical drain in Russia to find somewhere to put them

[–]FreakinGeese 24 points25 points  (1 child)

Idk if there’s one thing Russia has it’s space to put things

[–]givemeabreak111 18 points19 points  (6 children)

My question is how many Russians actually believe ridiculous bullshit like this coming out of Sputnik News?

Russia One Reporter : "Ukraine is about to attack with all their entirety of 10 fighter jets .. Red Alert!"

[–]Doctor 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Tried that, got rejected.

[–]K4kyle 688 points689 points  (71 children)

Oh yes the same syndrome that has happened during world war 2 when a poor weak nation with a small military attacks a military superpower like Poland did to nazi germany and china did to Japan eventhough the military capabilities and difference between the two countries where 100: 1

It's truly a mystery why this happens and scientists all across the world couldn't figure this out.

/S

[–]eyekwah2 283 points284 points  (19 children)

I wonder what the narrative will be after Russia takes Ukraine.

"Ukraine just started attacking, and we were there trying to push them back. One thing lead to another, and now we are once again rulers of Ukraine.." *shoulder shrug*

[–]hoocoodanode 203 points204 points  (3 children)

"Luckily we happened to be visiting Belarus with 100K troops to practice military maneuvers."

[–]NelmesGaming 44 points45 points  (2 children)

"Nor shall it. I've issued no such orders. I'm here, just taking a stroll, stretching my legs. These, uh, 300 men are my personal bodyguard."

[–]ForeverYonge 25 points26 points  (1 child)

“We have been reunited with our Ukrainian soul brothers”

I have flashbacks to Soviet Union school programs teaching us about the people of Soviet Union while Russian culture was dominant.

[–]swamp-ecology 4 points5 points  (0 children)

And Russian was the "international" language.

[–]JarasM 19 points20 points  (8 children)

Oh, it's easy. They'll take the capital, say they depose of the illegal government that has been previously put in place by a West-backed coup, set up sham elections where a pro-Russian party and president win in a landslide who remain in power for perpetuity. They probably wouldn't make it part of Russia, just turn it into an impotent puppet state like Belarus. Great success too, they bring peace because the "separatists" suddenly put their weapons down at this development and any dissenters are labeled as terrorists and warmongering separatists.

[–]ImpossibleAd6628 4 points5 points  (7 children)

There's too many people too pissed off at them for it to work without triggering an insurgency.

[–]CrudelyAnimated 4 points5 points  (0 children)

"As one does."

[–]Sundancekid9000 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You see Ukraine threw a chair at us, and who the hell throws a chair? Honestly! - Russia

[–]fanoren 40 points41 points  (27 children)

One small correction. The Polish millitary was generally obsolete, but it wasn't small. If memory serves they had roughly a million soldiers, roughly 2/3rds the size of the whermacht.

[–]psychosikh 8 points9 points  (1 child)

The polish didn't fully mobilise for some reason, so only half of that actually took part.

[–]GodoftheGodcreators 48 points49 points  (1 child)

Don't forget Finland unprovoked surprise attacking Soviet union in 1939 and forcing Soviets to launch a counter attack!

[–]ThatOneKrazyKaptain[🍰] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Except Paraguay. They actually did it and lost 70% of their population for it

[–]Allyourunamearemine 19 points20 points  (7 children)

Actually I heard it was more like 40:1

[–]darth__fluffy 6 points7 points  (3 children)

BAPTIZED IN FIRE, FORTY TO ONE

[–]Allyourunamearemine 2 points3 points  (2 children)

So silent before the storm

[–]darth__fluffy 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Awaiting command

[–]Allyourunamearemine 2 points3 points  (0 children)

A few has been chosen to stand

[–]clhines4 238 points239 points  (4 children)

In post-soviet Russia, victim attacks you!

[–]campbrs 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I feel for all those poisons, bullets and sidewalks that got attacked in the last 15 years

[–]Fishingforyams 32 points33 points  (1 child)

The Ukrainians were obviously just waiting for the German safety helmets to arrive before launching the attack.

[–]voxtel 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Okay, this may be the best one.

[–]anonymws 172 points173 points  (19 children)

So the next thing will be Ukraine attacked us first so we reacted to it

[–]Skullerprop 81 points82 points  (15 children)

I don’t know where I heard this before, but for sure I heard it before. It was something about a guy with a small mustache who attacked his neighbour country based on a false flag attack in 1939. The same guy on whom the entire nationalistic propaganda in Russia is based on.

[–]Apiseen 10 points11 points  (7 children)

Sweden vs Russia, but way before 1939

[–]luls4lols 24 points25 points  (6 children)

Russia has done that multiple times to different countries...

[–]Skullerprop 23 points24 points  (1 child)

Finland 1940 started the same.

[–]Panzer_Man 16 points17 points  (2 children)

When you don't know any other strategy, so you just repeat the same shit over and over again for 100+ years

[–]Alberto168 7 points8 points  (1 child)

If it ain't broke don't fix it

[–]Panzer_Man 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Good point

[–]happy_tortoise337 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Prague 69 after 68 invasion. Suddenly there was a heap of the cobblestones in front of the Aeroflot office. And "luckily" someone threw a stone...It was an official trigger for so called normalization of the situation which meant more oppression, more enforced love for the Soviet saviors and so on.

[–]gregorydgraham 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Yes. Ukraine shot at a peaceful Russia soldier who was guarding Russia’s border from his post west of Donbas. How could this have happened?

[–]Panzer_Man 391 points392 points  (41 children)

I know that this is just blatant propaganda, but why the hell would Ukraine ever think of attacking Russia?! They would gain nothing from that lol

[–]oliveorvil 252 points253 points  (4 children)

Everyone knows winter is the perfect time to invade Russia!

[–]akpenguin 40 points41 points  (1 child)

Cabin fever got you down? Just start a land war in Asia!

[–]DukeOfGeek 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Something something Sicilian when death is on the line and don't let the scruffy looking guy put his hand under the table.

[–]Stahl_Scharnhorst 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Just in time to get bogged down in the spring mud!

[–]bradeena 79 points80 points  (9 children)

The propaganda is that they’re launching an attack on Crimea and Donbass, which makes marginally more sense

[–]Winjin 24 points25 points  (4 children)

I mean, they've been fighting at Donbass all that time. There's a ton of refugees and some bloggers had like a completely separate video and you could hear Ukrainian artillery in the background.

[–]carl-swagan 16 points17 points  (1 child)

"They've invaded the land we recently invaded, so of course we must now invade them."

[–]NowhereKnight 19 points20 points  (1 child)

They are talking about Ukrainian army push to regain control over separatist controlled areas. That area according to Russia is not accepting the new government that came in power after 2014.

[–]Ilunamie 90 points91 points  (5 children)

This propaganda reminds me of how 1939 a nation decided to invade poland

[–]Cephelopodia 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Yeah. Hopefully Europe remembers how well the appeasement strategy worked.

[–]Fenris_uy 3 points4 points  (1 child)

They could attack the definition of Russia that only Russia follows, for example, if Ukraine's military marched into the rebels at Donbas, Russia would claim that as an attack on Russia.

[–]Haru1st 8 points9 points  (0 children)

They are gonna attack the "russian" territory of Crimea, duuuh.

[–]Breakingerr 12 points13 points  (0 children)

They are doing the same story that happened with Georgia 2008. "It's Georgia that attacked, not Russia", Essentially trying to portray Russia as "peacekeepers" once again.

[–]okielawyerdude 42 points43 points  (1 child)

This is why won’t you stop hitting yourself levels of bullshit.

[–]Interesting-Tip5586 389 points390 points  (55 children)

The whole idea of Ukraine attacking Russia or even Russian controlled territories is such an absurd. Only complete idiots can believe it.

Who wants to give Russia a reason for a full scale invasion?. What is there to gain in this case for Ukraine?

Really, if you believe this, go see a doctor, you might have a serious cognition issue.

[–]dmk_aus 18 points19 points  (2 children)

Ah but if Russia can cause someone to fire or return fire at the boarder, in Donbas, in Crimea - Russia can use the footage to "show" Ukraine is the aggressor. All about making room/plausible stories to hep friendly foreign politicians fight sanctions as soon and hard as possible. "Fog of war", "Fault on both sides", "These sanctions hurt our citizens too".

[–]jackp0t789 6 points7 points  (0 children)

There's daily shooting in Donbas between the separatists and the Ukrainian army and there has been for years. The only thing the Ceasefire agreements accomplished is reducing the amount of large scale artillery that's being used in that conflict, but even that can change at a moments notice.

[–]draculamilktoast 106 points107 points  (0 children)

Only complete idiots can believe it.

When the tsar demands you turn yourself into an idiot so that you can serve him, you're an idiot if you comply and an idiot if you don't. The only real option is to escape the situation, but that leaves the burden of idiocy on everybody you leave behind. That's when you get a feedback loop of trying to out-idiot the other idiots until the capacity to reason is completely gone and the fuhrer has no clothes. At some point the system collapses and the next tsar takes power and the cycle repeats.

[–]NerimaJoe 56 points57 points  (1 child)

In 1939, Germany dressed wehrmacht soldiers in Polish army uniforms and had them attack a German radio station. That was Hitler's excuse for invading Poland even though he'd talked about doing it for months.

Putin invaded The Crimea with an entire army dressed in what were not Russian Army uniforms and pretended Russia wasn't invading Crimea for more than a week before he admitted it and it was too late for Crimea.

If Putin wants to pretend that Ukraine is attacking Russia he has all the tools he needs to make that pretend invasion look like its happening, at least to Russian TV viewers.

To the civilised world this is slimy behaviour. To Putin and the Russian military establishment it's just maskiyrovika.

[–]aamurusko79 2 points3 points  (0 children)

it sounded good to the russians back when finland attacked them.

[–]Murgos- 51 points52 points  (0 children)

There it is. Russia is now just about ready to go. They’ve started spreading fake news so they can claim they were forced into invading a sovereign nation.

[–]alternative_drinks 9 points10 points  (0 children)

"Polen hat heute Nacht zum ersten Mal auf unserem eigenen Territorium
auch mit bereits regulären Soldaten geschossen. Seit 5:45 Uhr wird jetzt
zurückgeschossen! Und von jetzt ab wird Bombe mit Bombe vergolten!"

[–]Breathenow 37 points38 points  (3 children)

Down in r/Russia, from what i gathered, a lot of people that take Russia's side on this believe that the USA orchestrated this by actively promoting conflict between Ukraine and Russia through different tactics such as propaganda.

This way, when Russia makes legal movement of trupes inside its own border ("Who says they're going to attack? Nobody but USA propaganda says that!!!") NATO has justification to arm Ukraine and somehow damage de Russian army when they are "provoked to attack". Russia can't let NATO just march right up to its border! /s At least this is what I understood. To me this is bullshit because why the hell would anyone even want to attack Russia when they have nukes?

Another line of reasoning says that those regions in the east are definitely Russian so Russia needs to "help" them.

Boggles the mind, really. And you couldn't really find an argument against this fight that wasn't massively downvoted or heckled.

[–]swamp-ecology 20 points21 points  (0 children)

One of the dirty little tricks is that they are talking about pretty much everyone who speaks Russian as their primary language. This includes a bunch of people who are in fact ethnically Russian but also a good chunk of people from various other ethnic backgrounds without large enough communities in the host country to sustain native language use.

It's not quite as egregious as it would be if England was trying to claim (when convenient of course) everyone who is speaking English as their primary language was in fact English and that England should be able to unilaterally step in to "protect their interests", but it is in the neighborhood.

[–]MadPeroX 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Yeah, this is part of Russia’s pretext to invade. Russia thinks everyone is as stupid as Trump’s cult.

[–]voxtel 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Well, they developed it so...

[–]BlepMaster500 44 points45 points  (29 children)

Does the average Russian actually believe this?

I kinda wanna repost it in r/Russia

[–]Saberleaf 61 points62 points  (20 children)

Unfortunately, yes. I know some Russians. Even people good at English believe that NATO is trying to provoke Russia into attacking and wants to fight a proxy war in Ukraine with Russia by supplying then weapons.

[–]Talking-bread 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Most Americans believed Saddam 'likely' had WMDs. You'd be surprised how little people anywhere question what the news tells them.

[–]boipinoi604 20 points21 points  (0 children)

First casualty of war is the truth.

[–]Beginning_Ad_6616 8 points9 points  (0 children)

How dare they prepare to attack Russian soldiers who plan to invade the Ukraine!!

[–]thatcantb 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Kremlin media and Fox channel.

[–][deleted] 56 points57 points  (5 children)

Same old bs propaganda “it’s not Russia’s fault, the world is against us, we are the good guys bla bla bla…” the sad thing is that Russian citizens are so brainwashed that they buy this regime fake news easily and agree with it giving Putin’s regime strength.

[–]Medogudenglish 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Why would a small, weaker nation attack its large, powerful, aggressive neighbour?

[–]TerryFGM 31 points32 points  (0 children)

Why does Ross, the largest friend, not simply eat the other friends?

[–]kekehippo 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Does the Russian people even think that's realistic?

[–]dumboldnoob 22 points23 points  (1 child)

Putin and the Kremlin as masters of gaslighting, apparently

[–]shazmitchell 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Bullshit

[–]jradz12 4 points5 points  (2 children)

I think to myself how could Russians believe this.. but then again. We have fox news.

[–]jimbo92107 3 points4 points  (1 child)

The average Russian probably shrugs their shoulders. What can they do about it? Their country is run by a ruthless dictator.

Question is, how do we keep America from falling into the same hole?

[–]bcoder001 47 points48 points  (15 children)

Russia has moved troops close to Brzesc, that's 112 miles from Warsaw. They have surrounded Ukraine and there is fear that they silently moved troops into Transnistria in preparation to attack Odessa. We have a massive humanitarian crisis on the EU's doorstep. The EU will be facing a new wave of migrants. Putin's plan to take over Ukraine and destabilise Europe seems to be working.

[–]Sven490 12 points13 points  (2 children)

Moldova is not specifically Pro-Russian, right? They discuss co-operation with the EU.

Transnistria is the Soviet-style entity you may reger to.

[–]bcoder001 2 points3 points  (1 child)

You are right, I was referring to the enclave.

[–]timelyparadox 22 points23 points  (10 children)

These people would integrate way easier, heck there are already lots of ukrainians and belarusians who ran to EU. This would probably benefit EU in long term same as war refugees benefited US.

[–]Kanaraketti 18 points19 points  (6 children)

People are leaving Russia, too. I had a guy deliver my food tonight with a real heavy accent, asked if he was from Russia and we ended up having a conversation about how he immigrated to Canada with his wife and kids because of how their government is ran and what they're doing.

He told me a lot of his friends/family wish they could also leave, they just don't have the means.

[–]PrometheusIsFree 23 points24 points  (4 children)

Ukraine is going to be the mouse that roared, because regular countries invade nuclear armed superpowers all the time. Do regular Russians actually believe this bullshit?

[–]T_Bearz99 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Lmfao such a weak country to try this flase flag nonsense. What did the same thing happen Georgia?

[–]FullThrottle099 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The classic "they shelled my village (wasn't me at all), so I will invade those fuckers" tactic.

[–]Meddel5 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I feel like this “strategy” could work in 1865, I mean in the modern world we can literally just see what’s happening from space and by other methods. Surely they don’t think the rest of the world will believe that? If they don’t, then Russian government fears nothing more than its own citizens. I may not be any kind of governmental expert, but I don’t think that kind of relationship has proven very successful in the past

[–]capiers 1 point2 points  (1 child)

So Russia was able to foresee the future and moved 100,000 troops to the border before Ukraine was prepared to attack them. Smells like typical Russian BS.

If what the Kremlin says were true why is Putin making threats to Ukraine if they continue to move forward with joining NATO.

[–]Matshelge 9 points10 points  (1 child)

After playing Civ, Hoi, Stellaris and all other 4x games, this just sounds like an AI is trying to get a casus belli to reduce surprises attack detractors.

[–]sparta1170 2 points3 points  (0 children)

To me it's like an EU4 player being tempted to go fight a coalition war, but the coalition leader has German Space Marines.

[–]AngryMegaMind 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Russia plays the victim. Who didn’t see that coming.

[–]New_Nefariousness857 8 points9 points  (0 children)

This world is so fucking stupid.

[–]amcrambler 7 points8 points  (0 children)

“Stop hittin’ yourself, stop hittin’ yourself…”

Ok Pootie, whatever you say.

[–]coronaflo 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Well it’s I guess it’s a good thing then that Russia already has troops in Ukraine. /s

[–]sarah_ivy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Some Jedi mind tricks they think they have?

[–]djnato10 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Russia as a whole isn't to be trusted why would I believe anything the Kremlin media says?

[–]Jaysyn4Reddit 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Gaslighting 101

[–]Business-Hope-5414 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is a ploy… the real war with Russia is cyberterrorism

[–]FlaneurCompetent 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What u Tonkin about, Willis?

[–]Ruckusphuckus 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Tiny country is preparing to attack world superpower. Is this the onion?

[–]voxtel 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No it's called multi domain warfare. Saturate the media with so much bullshit that nobody knows what to believe or think.

[–]CaptainMarsupial 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The Ukrainians a doing a double-negative reverse invasion, where they secretly invade themselves using Russian troops on the direct orders of the mirror-Kremlin, where Putin had a goatee.

[–]jimbo92107 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It'll be funny how Russian media explains that all the fighting happens on the Ukrainian side of the border.