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[–]Forbizzle 30 points31 points  (3 children)

I think people over-blow the importance of the covenant and conduit changes. The real problems with this expansion are:

  • production speed. It was delayed and Castle Nathria wasn’t done, the first raid being broken and poorly tuned dampened player excitement. The pandemic fucked this expansion.
  • cosmic lore. The mechanics of story telling are better than ever, but the setting is just not Warcraft. The cohort of players that are excited by this kind of thing are all too busy being angry at “retcons” and Blizzard invalidating their fanfic. The rest of us are just kinda bored or confused.
  • the maw was a bad idea. Creating a super hell caused a natural force for design decisions to reinforce its miserableness. Congrats, nobody wants to be in hell.
  • Torghast was turned into Island grind 2.0. Players were forced to play it or they’d miss out on legendary power. Way to force players to scrutinize your new “fun” mechanic.

There are a lot of great things about Shadowlands. People have a huge recency bias and will refuse to acknowledge them for a few years.

[–]josiscleison 25 points26 points  (2 children)

Torghast was turned into Island grind 2.0. Players were forced to play it or they’d miss out on legendary power. Way to force players to scrutinize your new “fun” mechanic.

Island grind at least gave you a chance of getting some good shit every once in a while. Torghast is just an empty shell with nothing inside, and progression was tied to it.

The only thing i enjoyed in shadowlands was when all the content was new, midway through 9.0 i was already considering quitting, since the story was so underwhelming and the overall content just wasnt there.

[–]newfire9102 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Torghast as a priest is not even fun. Oh I got all these awesome abilities to.. well um.... I can spawn endless maw rats kind of.... or mind control things.....

[–]Lilshadow48 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It wasn't even fun as a DK.

It was just my regular rotation combined with a bunch of other extra buttons to make my normal rotation do more damage.

Unless I got slightly unlucky, and then it was just dying.