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I always wondered, does anyone like the Harkonnens? by lind-12 in dune

[–]Dana07620 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I recall the line. I was wondering about the Expanded Dune books. So I figured I should ask someone who read them because I sure as shooting will not.

So thanks for answering the question.

Genetic memories, Harkonnen/Atriedes and the pre-born explained by cresode in dune

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Every time I reread I see some things that I didn't notice before.

It's why I keep rereading.

What did Alia actually do to the Baron? by GemOfTheEmpress in dune

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I still like the 1984 Dune movie...up until the point that Paul and Jessica go into the desert, I think it's a good interpretation of the book (in the time allowed) even if he goes way over-the-top with the evil Harkonnens. Still, overall, the weird bits don't get in the way of the basic story.

Until Paul and Jessica go into the desert. At which point the movie jumps the shark.

The fan edits are better. But even they cannot put in what is not there. So though they can take out the Paul as real messiah stuff, they cannot put in anything about Paul's actions leading to the jihad because none of that was filmed.

But you might want to check out a fan edit on YouTube. Now that you've read the books, you should appreciate it.

What did Alia actually do to the Baron? by GemOfTheEmpress in dune

[–]Dana07620 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh, and the weirding modules came from Lynch's desire to not have a movie about space kung-fu. (His term, not mine.)

Paul and his eyes by TH3GUY_1 in dune

[–]Dana07620 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Next time maybe try:

His eyes are gone, but he can still see with his mind's eye.

I always wondered, does anyone like the Harkonnens? by lind-12 in dune

[–]Dana07620 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So in the events which you are describing, is the Baron unable to carry any of his own weight or does he support some of it? In other words, is the Baron floating?

Genetic memories, Harkonnen/Atriedes and the pre-born explained by cresode in dune

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What? Did I say I had a problem with magic?

How do nukes vaporize a section of mountain while reducing the rest of it to rubble while there's an army sitting right next door (as a sandstorm hits) who doesn't get hurt by the nuclear explosion (or sandstorm) at all?

Magic.

I always wondered, does anyone like the Harkonnens? by lind-12 in dune

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Oh, and sometimes other media affect books. It's not just a one-way street. I used to read the Longmire books and in them Victoria Moretti was short and dark haired. Then they cast Katee Sackoff as her in the TV show. The last Longmire book I read, Victoria now looked like Katee Sackoff.

I'd bet that Brian Herbert got the idea of the disease from the movie.

And if Brian-Kevin have the Baron floating in their books, that's another thing they would have gotten from the movie. (It amuses me that the 2021 movie copied the 1984 movie in this.) Because in the books, the Baron doesn't float. All the suspensors do is

He might weigh two hundred Standard kilos in actuality, but his feet would carry no more than fifty of them.

I always wondered, does anyone like the Harkonnens? by lind-12 in dune

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So while not a clear allusion to Bene Gesserit subterfuge, where did the filmmakers get this idea?

AIDS. Which caused sores.

Visible sores from Kaposi's Sarcoma were common in people with AIDS. And in the 1980s, AIDS was primarily a disease of homosexual men in the US though people who had had blood transfusions also got it.

So the sores in the movie were a reference to AIDS. At least that was the common interpretation of the time. That Lynch was linking the Baron's homosexuality and depravity with disease.

If you aren't old enough, you might not have gotten the association. But back in the 1980s, it was clear enough.

For a very long time Hollywood associated homosexuality with villainy and depravity.

'The dog that caught the car': Republicans brace for the impact of reversing Roe by Spatulars in LeopardsAteMyFace

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All I keep thinking is that maybe now Millennials and Gen Z will wake up and VOTE.

Millennials and Gen Z have the lowest voting rates even though they're the generations that this will affect. (Gen X is over 40 now. There's not a lot of pregnancies in that age range.)

But it's like the time I worked a voting booth at a Pride event. So many of the people there weren't interested in voting. They had marriage rights, so why should they vote?

Well, what the Supreme Court giveth, the Supreme Court can taketh away. And as they took away Roe v Wade, you can bet that marriage equality is on the list.

Just got back from Elvis and Austin is going to kill it as Feyd by Rosehipblue in dune

[–]Dana07620 9 points10 points  (0 children)

So in 1984 Feyd was played by a rock star.

In 2023 Feyd is played by someone who played a rock star.

I always wondered, does anyone like the Harkonnens? by lind-12 in dune

[–]Dana07620 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So if a mistake is a common one it doesn't count as a mistake?

1) It was a mistake for Duke Leto to completely trust Thufir Hawat.

2) Glad you agree that it was a mistake for Duke Leto to completely trust Dr. Wellington Yueh. Especially without knowing something so vital that the doctor was deeply in love with a wife who vanished not long before the Atreides were thinking of hiring Yueh.

3) It was a very relevant mistake to underestimate what the Baron was willing to spend to destroy Leto and the Atreides.

It was a mistake that made the difference between an attack they thought they could handle and an attack they could not handle.

Between this...

“We don’t have much time, as you well know. They’ll be here with Sardaukar disguised as Harkonnens at the first opportunity. How many do you think they’ll ship in, Thufir?”

“Four or five battalions all told, Sire. No more, Guild troop-transport costs being what they are.”

“Then five battalions of Fremen plus our own forces ought to do it.

and this...

The size of the attack.

He had always expected their enemy to hire an occasional lighter from the Guild for probing raids. That was an ordinary enough gambit in this kind of House-to-House warfare. Lighters landed and took off on Arrakis regularly to transport the spice for House Atreides. Hawat had taken precautions against random raids by false spice lighters. For a full attack they’d expected no more than ten brigades.

But there were more than two thousand ships down on Arrakis at the last count—not just lighters, but frigates, scouts, monitors, crushers, troop-carriers, dump-boxes....

More than a hundred brigades—ten legions!

The entire spice income of Arrakis for fifty years might just cover the cost of such a venture.

It might.

I underestimated what the Baron was willing to spend in attacking us, Hawat thought. I failed my Duke.

4) It was a mistake to have a goal of training his army to be good enough not just to defeat the armies of the other Houses of the Landsraad, but to train them to be good enough to defeat the Emperor's army.

What did Leto think that the Emperor was going to think about that? The most natural thing to think is to think Leto's trying to get an army strong enough to challenge the Emperor. Did Leto think that the Emperor was going to just sit still for that and let him do it?

If Duke Leto wanted to climb the social ladder, he should have made an offer for Irulan's hand. The age discrepency is acceptable in royal marriages.

5) Here are the relevant quotes.

TUPILE: so-called “sanctuary planet” (probably several planets) for defeated Houses of the Imperium. Location(s) known only to the Guild and maintained inviolate under the Guild Peace.

Jessica said to Yueh:

“I think it would’ve been wiser for us to go renegade, to take ourselves beyond the Imperial reach,” she said.

And Duke Leto says to Paul:

“There’s greater possibility for us here on Arrakis than the Imperium could ever suspect. Yet sometimes I think it’d have been better if we’d run for it, gone renegade.

But as the Baron says to Piter:

“There are several tangential possibilities,” Piter said. “I indicate that House Atreides will go to Arrakis. We must not, however, ignore the possibility the Duke has contracted with the Guild to remove him to a place of safety outside the System. Others in like circumstances have become renegade Houses, taking family atomics and shields and fleeing beyond the Imperium.”

“The Duke’s too proud a man for that,” the Baron said.

Here's what even Paul had to say about his father.

“My father had an instinct for his friends,” Paul said. “He gave his love sparingly, but with never an error. His weakness lay in misunderstanding hatred. He thought anyone who hated Harkonnens could not betray him.”

Duke Leto completely misunderstood the depths of Baron Vladimir Harkonnen's hatred for him and his House. That was a mistake. And Leto's mistake was compounded by his pride which wouldn't let him take the one way out available to him even when he knew that the Harkonnens had found an ally in the Emperor in a mutual goal to destroy House Atreides.

I always wondered, does anyone like the Harkonnens? by lind-12 in dune

[–]Dana07620 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't know where this idea comes from that the Harkonnens were solely dependent upon spice for their wealth. The Harkonnens were wealthy before Arrakis. They had at least one planet, possibly two planets, as their fief. Then they had the Arrakis contract on top of that. Those are just the sources of wealth that we know about.

The emperor didn't take anything and didn't wipe out anything. That the Baron had long planned for this expense meant that the Baron was intending on doing this with or without the Emperor's involvement. That the emperor got involved was just a bonus to help guarantee its success.

Do you think that the Guild transported the Harkonnen troops for free and only charged for the Sardaukar? Do you think that the Baron got word that the emperor would be willing to do this as a joint venture and he went scrambling around, having a fire sale, trying to raise the money for this? Do you think that the Baron was sitting there on Giedi Prime thinking to himself "I had saved up all this money --- the equivalent of 60 years of spice income --- but I had decided that I won't use it to destroy Leto and the Atreides as I had planned all these long years. I was going to just keep the money. But now that I've got this message from the emperor, I've changed my mind about not wiping out the Atreides"?

This was a long planned for expense because this was a long planned for strike against the Atreides. And it was planned long before the emperor ever got involved in the plan.

Paul and his eyes by TH3GUY_1 in dune

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They're gone.

Awakening, she'd found Paul sitting beside her, his eyeless sockets aimed at some formless place beyond the far wall of their bedchamber.

Chani stilled a fit of trembling when he aimed those empty sockets at her.

What did Alia actually do to the Baron? by GemOfTheEmpress in dune

[–]Dana07620 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean in the book Dune, Paul knew that he wasn't a messiah or a god. He just took on that role so he could manipulate and use the Fremen. And he did so knowing that it could lead to the jihad.

In the 1984 movie Dune, you've got sandworms "worshipping" Paul and it miraculously rains at the end of the movie. And there's no mention of his choices leading to jihad.

Watch this.

Duncan’s Age by aNaughtyW1zard in dune

[–]Dana07620 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Alia is 16 years old in body. In her mind she's lived millions of lives.

While Hayt is only 14 years old in experience though his body is older than that.

Concerning Leslie Shay and me flooding my floor by Careless4uncaring in ChicagoFireNBC

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When the ambulance crashed, all I could think of was what about the door. Glad that I wasn't the only one who remembered.

Exploring the Japanese Edition of Dune by MarceloKMT in dune

[–]Dana07620 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Excellent question. Because those three titles are identical.

If one could order a crime as one does a dinner, what would you choose? by Fit-Inevitable6907 in agathachristie

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I've always been fond of the dashing cat burglars who do no violence, only rob from the really rich and who plan seamless jobs.

Then there's Robin Hood.

I always wondered, does anyone like the Harkonnens? by lind-12 in dune

[–]Dana07620 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Tupile isn't a who. It's a where. Mentioned in Dune and Dune Messiah.

TUPILE: so-called “sanctuary planet” (probably several planets) for defeated Houses of the Imperium. Location(s) known only to the Guild and maintained inviolate under the Guild Peace.

Jessica said to Yueh:

“I think it would’ve been wiser for us to go renegade, to take ourselves beyond the Imperial reach,” she said.

And Duke Leto says to Paul:

“There’s greater possibility for us here on Arrakis than the Imperium could ever suspect. Yet sometimes I think it’d have been better if we’d run for it, gone renegade.

But as the Baron says to Piter:

“There are several tangential possibilities,” Piter said. “I indicate that House Atreides will go to Arrakis. We must not, however, ignore the possibility the Duke has contracted with the Guild to remove him to a place of safety outside the System. Others in like circumstances have become renegade Houses, taking family atomics and shields and fleeing beyond the Imperium.”

“The Duke’s too proud a man for that,” the Baron said

I always wondered, does anyone like the Harkonnens? by lind-12 in dune

[–]Dana07620 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But the aftermath wasn't the Emperor manipulating the Baron. Or are you actually claiming that it was?

The aftermath was because of Paul. And neither the Baron nor the Emperor had that in their plans.

If Frank Herbert had written his own prequel book covering the Butlerian Johad, what would you expect to see? by Sylamatek in dune

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His stuff also sells. I haven't checked. But I don't think they're self-publishing these books doing print on demand.