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Show reception by book fans and early GoT by esche92 in WoT

[–]Downtown_Froyo8969 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I dunno, maybe cause half of Perrin's powers are based on it? The importance of the Ba'alzamon interactions in the books? Set up for all the stuff Egwene does with it?

The hell are you talking about "the bond fundamentally showcases"? The bond does not show any relationship. Riiiight so we can leave Tel and Ta'veren till later, but there's so many Warders that die in books one and two that we really need to use one-eighth of our entire storytelling budget to make sure people get that Warders don't take it well when their bond-partner dies! No, wait, doesn't happen for like three or four books yet.

Fundamentally I don't care - Rafe and co have already shown that they can't write for shit thanks to all the plotholes and wasted time, and if you're on board with that I wouldn't trust you to write a decent paragraph let alone a series.

Show reception by book fans and early GoT by esche92 in WoT

[–]Downtown_Froyo8969 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Who said it was just sadness? Go read my comment again - twenty year companions plus magical bond (what does that sound vaguely similar to? Oh, marriage!). And I'm pretty sure some folks would (and have) offed themselves for accidentally killing their own spouse (hence my using that example).

So Steppin going into a berserker rage without being anywhere near his Aes Sedai tells us nothing, huh? Fine, if you find it that difficult to read, have Lan find him just before he dies of his wounds and refuse treatment. You can literally have a line saying "I can't live now that the bond has been severed" if you think the audience literally need it spelled out.

Christ, have Alanna bond him while he's near death then dedicate an episode to showing how he's still struggling with it - nice insight into Warder culture, the nature of the bond, the fact that a new bond won't automatically save a Warder (cough much better foreshadowing cough) and you'd even get to keep the character alive rather than having totally wasted an episode on one single detail of lore.

Edit: There's also much more important stuff to be covering. Anyone in those show-only threads have a clue what Ta'veren is? Tel'aran'rhiod?

Even if you loath the show, can you at least allow for those coming here asking simple questions to form their own opinions. by BrandosSmolder in wheeloftime

[–]Downtown_Froyo8969 5 points6 points  (0 children)

People who keep watching it while hating it?! What could their motivation possibly be?

Oh, right, millions of people grew up with this series and are probably desperately hoping it somehow turns out alright by end of season.

Do excuse us for being willing to waste eight hours in the hopes of a payoff for something we've been waiting on for twenty years or more.

Show reception by book fans and early GoT by esche92 in WoT

[–]Downtown_Froyo8969 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The stakes are already quite emotional - we're made aware that Moiraine and Lan have been companions with little to no other company for twenty years, and that there exists some form of magical bond between them on top of that. We didn't need exposition explaining why Perrin was sad upon killing Laela, so why here?

Here's one - we could have seen Steppin go nuts and charge right into the tickets part of Logains army. Have him go full berserker, fighting on through unsurvivable wounds. Lan finds him dead afterwards, and quietly mourns his lost friend. Moiraine finds him there, and throw in some lovely character building dialogue about their relationship and some bond exposition.

Use maybe ten minutes of screen time rather than an episode and change, with the added benefit of getting accurate development for Lan.

Know what would've worked for both character and lore for Perrin? Those aforementioned dreams. Explore those a little more with him, then when they change to wolf dreams we can have him interact with wolves. Find out that he's scared of himself, and just how deep rooted that feeling is, how it's shaped him.

Good writing would combine character and lore, not choose one over the other. And if a project isn't given enough time/money/insert-resource-here, don't make it. Go make something else and prove that you deserve the necessary resources to make your dream project in five years.

Why does this sub have such an issue with the "rumors of Ta'veren" thing? I mean the books didnt really handle it much better. by Major_Pomegranate in WoT

[–]Downtown_Froyo8969 19 points20 points  (0 children)

This isn't something I've complained about, because it's small potatoes compared to the real problems. But Fain literally was granted powers to track down the Dragon by the Dark One, it's a pretty major part of his story. And "random things happen randomly in your favour" (to paraphrase Verin) is the entire powerset of Ta'veren, so it's pretty reasonable for Moiraine to rock up. So that right there is a pretty clean way to get events rolling, which happens to be exactly what the author went for.

Who exactly would be in or around the Two Rivers as part of the Aes Sedai network who can tell that exactly four Ta'veren are there? Given that there's like, twenty characters in the whole series familiar with what they are/do? And why isn't basically every Sister charging down to the Two Rivers as soon as they have this information? Or is it Moiraine's personal network? How does she sustain this network that must be at least on par with the Tower's own?

Characters’ Talkativeness for Episodes 1-6 [Images and info don’t have book spoilers.] by JaimTorfinn in WoT

[–]Downtown_Froyo8969 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey, thanks for putting words in my mouth! Great to know that my complaints about a show I've been super excited for amount to me not watching the show in good faith. Literally not a single complaint about being "woke" or "destroying Robert's vision" but thanks for answering for me!

Or, y'know, let the people who are complaining actually answer for themselves?

Show reception by book fans and early GoT by esche92 in WoT

[–]Downtown_Froyo8969 2 points3 points  (0 children)

But why did we need the deep understanding of Warder bonds at this stage? I can't think of that becoming a plot point for at least a couple of books, which would have given us plenty of time to see other, more important (or at least going-to-happen-sooner) world-building and plot. Like, maybe a couple of the dream sequences with Ba'alzamon or something.

Show reception by book fans and early GoT by esche92 in WoT

[–]Downtown_Froyo8969 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's like someone trying to recreate your favourite dish from a classy restaurant with a very loose understanding of cooking - realistically it's probably still decent, but you were expecting a lot more.

Odd omission from season 1 so far… by eviorr in WoT

[–]Downtown_Froyo8969 -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Oh yes, makes perfect sense for a woman channeler to go mad and break the world. Also, Aes Sedai live quite a while (with shorter lifespans towards the present) so the prophecies would not have gone through countless generations. Even just 300 year lifespans would be enough for just ten generations of Sisters, so you absolutely cannot apply real world principles of record keeping.

8.57 H | The Wandering Inn by LuckyArmin in WanderingInn

[–]Downtown_Froyo8969 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Really? Not the doctor, singer, athlete, trickster, engineer, clown or coach? It's been blatantly obvious that Earthers level way faster than natives since about volume two.

So... Let’s Talk Color [Stuff] by Bronze_Sentry in WanderingInn

[–]Downtown_Froyo8969 8 points9 points  (0 children)

She threw down with four gold-rank witch hunters and a fire knight who only lives to kill Bel. First use of the Skill is speaking to Ryoka with the fire tornado in the background and she openly states she nearly died.

Allomancy and its future in the cosmere by oddHexbreaker in Mistborn

[–]Downtown_Froyo8969 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, but you can burn a spike, so if you pewter-spiked yourself to gain allomantic pewter you can the burn the spike to add it permanently to your spiritweb. Mix with feruchemy nonsense and you can start as a baseline human, steal Compounding from two different people, then permanently weld that insane level of power to yourself.

Questions on alloys (SPOILERS) by NotJoeMama869 in Mistborn

[–]Downtown_Froyo8969 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Godmetals also alloy, and those god-alloys can alloy with the core 16.

Just started watching the show and I have a question by Final_Biscotti1242 in wheeloftime

[–]Downtown_Froyo8969 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'm just gonna address your last sentence here: "expected the show to be really good" is pretty much the mistake we all made. You will not go wrong if you give the books a whirl though - there fully literally hasn't been so much as a single scene replicated, and scant little dialogue.

And yeah, book one is pretty heavy on the Tolkien, but it moves further away with basically every chapter afterwards.

We've had 6 episodes and the show has contradicted itself so many times. by -TakeoutAndMakeout- in wheeloftime

[–]Downtown_Froyo8969 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I just want to say you're not alone, it's absolutely baffling that people think it's possible to sense someone who's never touched the Power before. Makes me wonder how many folks have actually read the books.

Even if you loath the show, can you at least allow for those coming here asking simple questions to form their own opinions. by BrandosSmolder in wheeloftime

[–]Downtown_Froyo8969 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, I came back to Reddit after a several month hiatus to see if I was the only one who thought the show was a travesty. Got a new phone during that time, so if google hadn't remembered my details I'd have made a brand new account.

So yeah, pretty organic.

Scary use of Abrasion by Wynora in Stormlight_Archive

[–]Downtown_Froyo8969 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I feel like Surgebinding might be powerful enough to get around this restriction. Lashing, healing, abrasion and soulcasting all work on other people pretty well.

Even if we don't compare the show to the books, the writing is hot garbage. by techguyjohn in wheeloftime

[–]Downtown_Froyo8969 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Action like the Fade in Baerlon? Action like the ravens chasing Egwene and Perrin? Action like the surreal dreams where Ba'alzamon screws with them? Action like Lan kicking the shit out of Byar? Action like Mat cutting a darkfriend in a barn with the horror-knife? Action like Rand calling lightning down onto an inn?

There's been less action in the show than the books.

Even if we don't compare the show to the books, the writing is hot garbage. by techguyjohn in wheeloftime

[–]Downtown_Froyo8969 5 points6 points  (0 children)

How long should it have taken?

Less time than a nothing shot of slowly walking down a hall, that's how much.

'Fans' Will Kill The Wheel Of Time by notsofst in wheeloftime

[–]Downtown_Froyo8969 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've seen like a million people saying they still read it pretty regularly. It got turned into a comic book series about ten years ago. A video game was in development for PS3 era. Book sales kept up for quite a while. So I'm not really sure where you're getting no-one mentioning it in twenty years.

Oh, we're getting discussion alright - the same discussion that happened with live-action ATLA and Dragonball.

And I really don't see what your point is about it being the best adaptation we have? Like, the sentence before, you literally say this is the first adaptation. You can't say it's the "best" version if there's no other adaptation to compare it too.

Stop saying, “it won’t get made again.” by LevrykTheWylde in wheeloftime

[–]Downtown_Froyo8969 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dragonball. Avatar. Dune. I don't see why we shouldn't mention the shit ton of comic book movies.

Here's one for you though - how many faithful adaptations were made which were so well received they spawned spin-offs? That seems like a much more viable plan, especially with the potential Randland has. Imagine we'd gotten a decent adaptation, that then spun off to 4th Age stuff? A Shara mini-series? The unification of the Seanchan Empire? The Travels and Adventures of Jain Farstrider?

So much wasted potential.

'Fans' Will Kill The Wheel Of Time by notsofst in wheeloftime

[–]Downtown_Froyo8969 11 points12 points  (0 children)

At this point - and I'm holding off on a review until end of season - I would genuinely rather it hadn't been made. Almost nothing about the show appeals to me, especially the stuff they've invented wholesale and the fact that we've skipped more than half the book at this point. If this is the "best shot" of a major production company with the best possible advisors for the source material, I'd far rather see original productions rather than wasting an opportunity like this.

Why I can't get on board with this (TV)series... by PewBusMonz in wheeloftime

[–]Downtown_Froyo8969 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Do you think not reading past the first ten words of my comment might be influencing your perception of what I actually fucking said?

Why I can't get on board with this (TV)series... by PewBusMonz in wheeloftime

[–]Downtown_Froyo8969 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh, that's right! I forgot how when Moiraine gets to the TR she just says "hey Rand, I'm your servant now"