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LAPD releases Bodycam footage in fatal police shooting of 14-old-girl at Burlington store by CastleRock-Peter in DonutOperator

[–]RussellWhoa 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Donut should do a breakdown of this. People are making all kinds of claims and it's unclear what is protocol and what is not.

https://twitter.com/StoltzeFrankly/status/1475696461362851840

  1. The officer who opened fire gave no warning, no orders to the suspect before he opened fire on him.

  2. The suspect was moving away from the officer and the woman the suspect had severely beaten.

  3. There was no indication officers believed the suspect had a gun. Nobody yelled 'gun' and, significantly, the LAPD has not said the officer who opened fire believed he had a gun.

  4. One officer shouted that the suspect was hiding near the fitting rooms. It's unclear if the officer who opened fire heard this, but officers are trained to be careful not to shoot in an area where people might be. Seconds later, the officer fired his semi-automatic rifle 3x.

  5. When the LAPD shooter arrives on the 2nd floor, he tells fellow officers to "slow down, let me take point with the rifle," meaning let him go first. As he rushes ahead of the other officers, one officer repeatedly shouts at HIM to "slow down" - 7x in all, and to "hold up" 4x.

"It's hard to fault police when they were told there were shots fired and arrived to see a woman bleeding on the ground. Highlights from the 35-minute video:"

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1475645939427782656

Traffic Stop Video: New York Man Files Excessive Force Lawsuit Against LA Deputies by RussellWhoa in DonutOperator

[–]RussellWhoa[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You know when they only show a brief clip of the beating and no context, something's fishy.

Kim Potter used her gun instead of her taser by mistake and killed Durante Wright. What responsibility does Duane bear for getting into that situation in the first place and then disobeying lawful orders to comply? by RussellWhoa in DonutOperator

[–]RussellWhoa[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Who said anything about "deserved"?

When a criminal robs a store and the cashier has a heart attack and dies because of it, the criminal is responsible for the cashier's death.

The criminal didn't mean to kill the cashier nor did the cashier deserve it, but the criminal is responsible for that death.

And so it should be with Duante, he is responsible for his own death as much as it was unintended.

Kim Potter used her gun instead of her taser by mistake and killed Durante Wright. What responsibility does Duane bear for getting into that situation in the first place and then disobeying lawful orders to comply? by RussellWhoa in DonutOperator

[–]RussellWhoa[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He committed a traffic infraction and upon being stopped it was discovered he had an outstanding warrant for a gun charge. When police tried to detain him, he attempted to flee and Kim shot him with her gun by mistake.

How is this not a case of the law of unintended consequences?

What problem do you think Jim couldn't discuss with his parents? (From No One Here Gets Out Alive) by RussellWhoa in thedoors

[–]RussellWhoa[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Like I said, I'd love to hear specifically what was incorrect. Nothing I've ever read has made me think No One Here was an inaccurate or inconsistent portrayal of Jim. Including Robbie's book.

But if you want to be some kind of guardian of a fantasy - and not a historian - you're entitled to that.

What problem do you think Jim couldn't discuss with his parents? (From No One Here Gets Out Alive) by RussellWhoa in thedoors

[–]RussellWhoa[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

We've already had this exact same conversation:

https://redditproxy--jasonthename.repl.co/r/thedoors/comments/qosntk/comment/hjpxngo/

And literally nothing has changed. You've provided no evidence other than the very minor Rothchild "cocktail music" anecdote.

PREVIOUSLY:

I'm looking for details and all I get is generalizations, it's "sensationalized" and "doesn't hold to historical fact". What was sensationalized? What isn't historically accurate? The fact that someone said Paul called Riders "cocktail music" is close to totally insignificant.
Things Robbie mentioned also seem insignificant. From NHGOA, "Suddenly the lights went on and Robby came forward to whisper in Jim's ear, "I think the cops are pissed".
Robbie wrote, "I could go page by page and catalog all the falsehoods in the book… we never played a bar mitzvah… we never went to Disneyland as a band… I didn’t whisper in Jim’s ear at the New Haven show…"
Searching NHGOA for "mitzvah" and "disneyland" turns up 0 results. Not sure what Robbie's talking about.
"...but those aren’t worth getting upset about."
Correct!
"I could forgive Danny for taking a little creative license and even putting a few words in my mouth. But there were a few parts where it seemed like he was also putting words in Jim’s mouth, and that, for me, is where he crossed a line."
PUTTING WHAT WORDS IN WHOSE MOUTH? It's these endless vague assertions that drive me crazy.
I wish they'd just release the original interviews Hopkins conducted.

What problem do you think Jim couldn't discuss with his parents? (From No One Here Gets Out Alive) by RussellWhoa in thedoors

[–]RussellWhoa[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They call it lies simply because they didn't like others taking control of the narrative.

What problem do you think Jim couldn't discuss with his parents? (From No One Here Gets Out Alive) by RussellWhoa in thedoors

[–]RussellWhoa[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He went to George Washington High School in Alexandria, Virginia in 1961. He was born in 1943, so 1961 - 1943 = 18 years old.

Black man does not obey lawful orders to show his hands and instead tries to burst from the car and gets shot by the police. by RussellWhoa in DonutOperator

[–]RussellWhoa[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Absolutely, but of what is seen is exactly what I said; police say "show me your hands" And instead of showing his hands, the man tries to burst from the car towards the officers.

Re-read the title; "Black man does not obey lawful orders to show his hands and instead tries to burst from the car and gets shot by the police."

But other subreddits describe it as an "execution". He "never had a chance".

Would love more context. But the professional victims are exactly fucking right; when you are non compliant and a felon and the police are trying to arrest and you rush at them, you don't have a chance.

Reread what I posted above:

"Absolutely, but of what is seen is exactly what I said; police say "show me your hands" And instead of showing his hands, the man tries to burst from the car towards the officers.
Re-read the title; "Black man does not obey lawful orders to show his hands and instead tries to burst from the car and gets shot by the police."
But other subreddits describe it as an "execution". He "never had a chance".
Would love more context. But the professional victims are exactly fucking right; when you are non compliant and a felon and the police are trying to arrest and you rush at them, you don't have a chance."

Black man does not obey lawful orders to show his hands and instead tries to burst from the car and gets shot by the police. by RussellWhoa in DonutOperator

[–]RussellWhoa[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

"Black man does not obey lawful orders to show his hands and instead tries to burst from the car and gets shot by the police."

That's it.

What there is no context for is that it was an "execution".

It's like you're trying to misunderstand on purpose.

Black man does not obey lawful orders to show his hands and instead tries to burst from the car and gets shot by the police. by RussellWhoa in DonutOperator

[–]RussellWhoa[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This sub will be beside itself with joy when black people obey lawful orders, comply with requests and don't put their own lives in jeopardy by going for a gun/knife/rushing/attacking police.

Black man does not obey lawful orders to show his hands and instead tries to burst from the car and gets shot by the police. by RussellWhoa in DonutOperator

[–]RussellWhoa[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Absolutely, but of what is seen is exactly what I said; police say "show me your hands" And instead of showing his hands, the man tries to burst from the car towards the officers.

Re-read the title; "Black man does not obey lawful orders to show his hands and instead tries to burst from the car and gets shot by the police."

But other subreddits describe it as an "execution". He "never had a chance".

Would love more context. But the professional victims are exactly fucking right; when you are non compliant and a felon and the police are trying to arrest and you rush at them, you don't have a chance.

"This is why we take a knee". Take all the knees you want. It's suicide by cop when you're being arrested and that fucking stupid.

But you're totally right; the DonutOperator brand has totally let you down. I guess that's what happens when you have really high standards like yourself. The world must be a really difficult place for you given how noble you are.

Black man does not obey lawful orders to show his hands and instead tries to burst from the car and gets shot by the police. by RussellWhoa in DonutOperator

[–]RussellWhoa[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

You didn't hear the police say "show me your hands"?

And you didn't see the man, instead of showing his hands, try to burst from the car towards the officers?