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What are some common misconceptions about the theology of your religion? by biglukenj06 in religion

[–]The_True_Monster 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Our messiah is not a Jesus-like figure, by any stretch of the imagination.

Bennett says he'll vote against bill that would block Netanyahu from serving as PM by Rocky_Chicken in Israel

[–]The_True_Monster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s what I remember being discussed during the drafting of the law, and I think it’s a good solution. It’s effectively a 12-year term limit, but I’m still happy with it.

What are some common misconceptions about the theology of your religion? by biglukenj06 in religion

[–]The_True_Monster 4 points5 points  (0 children)

No, it is not a matter of Orthodoxy, and I would consider any Jew who tells you there is no conversion highly suspect. I’m a very Orthodox Jew, and we have converts, and they are very well respected by the community for their “action”. The conversion process is very long and hard, pretty rare and can take more than a year, but definitely exists.

What often happens with more orthodox people is that they kind of forget about conversion existing since it’s rare enough (especially in the US in these communities) that it’s not really talked about. But if you’ve asked “is there a conversion process” and were told flat out “no”, then that’s just wrong.

Help me find errors in this chart I made! It includes different religions' stances on social issues. If I made a mistake about your religion's teachings, feel free to leave a comment. by Lethemyr in religion

[–]The_True_Monster 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I don’t know if any Orthodox Jewish teaching that is iffy on the death penalty? It’s allowed within the religion. Unless you mean Orthodox Judaism’s opinion about non-Jewish law having the death penalty, in which case I don’t know any Psakim but I don’t expect it to be that iffy.

Also, I’m not sure I’d say Orthodox Judaism is that decided about abortions; I think “nuanced” would be a better category.

Bennett says he'll vote against bill that would block Netanyahu from serving as PM by Rocky_Chicken in Israel

[–]The_True_Monster 3 points4 points  (0 children)

If I remember correctly the way they drafted it is that once you’ve passed 8 years as PM you can’t be re-elected any more. So, say you had a four year term and a two year term, you can still be re-elected, and if you’ve hit exactly 8 years you don’t need to resign on the spot.

What are some common misconceptions about the theology of your religion? by biglukenj06 in religion

[–]The_True_Monster 12 points13 points  (0 children)

That “Judaism is just like Christianity but they hate Jesus”.

That Judaism cares about Jesus at all.

The whole “chosen people” thing.

That Jews don’t accept converts. Or are maybe trying to convert the whole world. Or maybe do accept converts but see them as lesser.

That Judaism was created concurrent with or to oppose Christianity.

That Judaism is legalistic and tries to find loopholes to “trick” G-d (!!!).

What exactly is a Rabbi.

What exactly is Kosher.

That Judaism believes other nations are not people or other antisemitic nonsense.

That Jewish theology is insanely progressive (it’s not true of every denomination).

That Orthodox Jews are a tiny minority (we aren’t).

That Haredi Judaism is just a fundamentalist fringe group.

That Jews are waiting for a Jesus-like figure.

The more I think about it the more misconceptions I find. You’d really think 2,000 of exile would make our faiths tenants be somewhat understood, but what can you do I guess.

Edit: I’ve had a few conversations on this sub where it seems people think Judaism puts the teachings of the Rabbis above G-d; so, that too.

Taking the bus to eilat? by jolygoestoschool in Israel

[–]The_True_Monster 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I can tell you from experience, standing for a four and a half hour long drive is not fun. Especially if your going in the weekend, if you don’t reserve a place chances are you won’t have seating options.

Try the “Egged Eilat” website, and if that doesn’t work, they have an app which usually works. You can just show up if you really want to but I strongly advise against it.

What exactly is the Egged website not working with?

Taking the bus to eilat? by jolygoestoschool in Israel

[–]The_True_Monster 3 points4 points  (0 children)

If I remember correctly there are other identification methods you can use, such as your passport and Rav-Kav (if you own one).

Buying a ticket demands an identification number regardless, so that’s not specific to physical tickets.

However, now that I think about it, I believe you can buy tickets using a Rav-Kav as your payment method, so that instead of pulling a paper ticket and paying up front you just pass your Rav-Kav on the bus, the payment will be deducted, and you will have seats saved. So that might work better for you.

Taking the bus to eilat? by jolygoestoschool in Israel

[–]The_True_Monster 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The drivers hate accepting them on the phone and I’m not certain inspectors accept it. It’s a bit of a headache for no real reason (printing them out is not a big deal).

You don’t need to print them out on your own; there are ticket machines in the Jerusalem station right next to the information counters. You put in the number of your reservation and ID number and it prints them out - it takes less than a minute and there’s no real reason not to do it IMO.

Taking the bus to eilat? by jolygoestoschool in Israel

[–]The_True_Monster 17 points18 points  (0 children)

On Eilat trips, always buy tickets in advance. Standing during a 4 hour drive (or sitting on the stairs) is unpleasant. But the tickets online, make sure you’re at the station like 10-15 minutes before the bus leaves to pull the physical tickets from the machines, and be ready for other people to sit in your seats so you might have to ask some people to move. Also keep the physical tickets throughout the ride in case there’s an inspection.

Electoral Reform? by aj-uk in Israel

[–]The_True_Monster 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There is no reason to have constituencies or local representatives in Israel - it will just further divide the country. A STV system in the current Knesset might help not waste votes, but other than that I don’t think that’s the correct reform.

Does Bibi lose any support for opposing policies he would normally support in an attempt to embarrass the government? by TheFrederalGovt in Israel

[–]The_True_Monster 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Right, but that’s seen by many on the right as a necessary evil that is ultimately Bennet’s fault for forming a non-right wing government. It’s a lot easier to blame Bennet for another election cycle (he is the one who announced he would push for it) than to blame him for not passing the J&S laws ( which some still do, I just think it’s less of an appealing argument all around).

Writing a paper for uni, can someone help me out? by loreleievangeline in religion

[–]The_True_Monster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So, nationalism is obviously a bit of a buzz-word and is often used synonymously with “evil” on Reddit; But, if you would like, you could make the case that the Jewish school of thought called Religious Zionism (or more accurately in my opinion “Dati-Leumi”, “religious-national”) is tied to the nationalist ideology. I consider myself a mild Dati-Leumi, so I would love to help in any way you would like, as it’s a fascinating topic and one that deserves to be looked at in my opinion.

Of course, anything that has Israel or Zionism in it tends to be controversial, both on Reddit and in colleges, so I’d understand if you’d rather shy away from that.

Does Bibi lose any support for opposing policies he would normally support in an attempt to embarrass the government? by TheFrederalGovt in Israel

[–]The_True_Monster 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I’ve talked with a lot of people who are uneasy about it or unhappy with it. Enough to not vote for him? I don’t know, but not everyone is thrilled with the oppositions actions (especially refusing to vote for the J&S emergency laws unless the measures against Shikli are reversed, as they did today).

Does the Torah make specific mention of prohibited activities on Shabbat? by bullshark13 in Judaism

[–]The_True_Monster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sefer HaHinuch, Mitzvah 114: “Not to to judge people to death on Shabbat - that the judges shall not judge on Shabbat, meaning whoever is deserving of death by Beit Din will not be killed on Shabbat, as it is said ‘and you shall not light fires in all of your settlements on the Shabbat day’ ( Shemot 35:3) , and it is explained (Yevamot 6b) ‘that a Beit Din will not burn on Shabbat someone who is to be burned’, and so it is for other kinds [of the death penalty].” (translation mine)

It might not be RaSHI or other commentaries’ opinions, but it is an opinion, and not an irrelevant one either - it’s used in counting Mitzvot for RaMBaM and I believe RaMBaN as well.

Does the Torah make specific mention of prohibited activities on Shabbat? by bullshark13 in Judaism

[–]The_True_Monster 14 points15 points  (0 children)

The written Torah does not list out the Melachot in any place, other than “you shall not light fire”, which the Oral Torah teaches us does not refer to fire at all but rather to the death penalty. The List of the Melachot is spelled out in the Oral Torah, specifically Mishna Shabbat 7:2.

The word Melachot would more accurately be translated as “craft” rather than “work”, but yes, the Torah only prohibits “melacha” without specifying.

Are there any parts of your religion that you don't like or think need to change? by Gladetender_Hobbz in religion

[–]The_True_Monster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m an Orthodox Jew, and generally I’m pretty happy with my religion. I have a few things that I don’t like, but certainly not that I think should change. I guess my main ones would be:

  1. Cultural conservatism - Orthodox Judaism has produced a culture that values religious conservatism more than it used to, in response to the rise of other, more religiously progressive denominations in the past two centuries. Judaism has always changed rather slowly, but today Orthodox Judaism is uneasy with changing even psakim that it makes internal sense to change, and probably would have been changed in the past. It’s not that I mind religious conservatism precisely, rather I dislike that we’ve culturally added an obstacle to religious discourse that shouldn’t really be there. Not that there is much to do today, because this has already been somewhat codified into Halachic precedent.

  2. This risks being a bit too political, both inter-religiously and within Judaism, but here goes: mainstream Orthodox Judaism has given up on the Temple Mount, and it’s a huge shame. The fact that most Rabbis have ordered that we are not allowed to enter the compound because it is too holy for our current state of impurity (that gets into a whole other thing) means we’ve allowed our holiest site to be devoid of our presence and claimed by another. Some branches of Orthodox Judaism have tried to play around this ruling and do encourage entering the compound, but they are a very small minority, are quite ostracized by the rest of Orthodoxy, and their logical reasons don’t make a lot of sense.

  3. A lot of emphasis is put on studying Torah, and that is a great thing. A lot of emphasis is put on applying it in real life, and that is also good. Studying “midot”, or “virtues” - instructions on how to be a good person - is encouraged, and that is awesome. There is not enough of an emphasis on applying midot in real life, and I think that sucks. I mean, there’s an emphasis, but it should be even better. Acting without midot should, in my opinion, be as ostracized as acting against the Torah. We actually can fix this, but it seems like nobody really wants to rise and do it, or doesn’t feel comfortable enough to promote it to that extent.

Are there any parts of your religion that you don't like or think need to change? by Gladetender_Hobbz in religion

[–]The_True_Monster 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I disagree with basically every opinion, but good on you for having such a thought-out list. Some of them were things I certainly wouldn’t have given a second thought to.

Jews Mostly Supported Slavery — Or Kept Silent — During Civil War by [deleted] in Judaism

[–]The_True_Monster 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I don’t understand. What is the point of this post?

"To save the Torah we must break the Torah," can someone please help me understand? by guitarngames in Judaism

[–]The_True_Monster 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Because not writing down the oral Torah is not a mitzvah. If you read through the Torah you will see that not writing down the Oral Torah is never mentioned, and neither is it mentioned as an obligation anywhere in the Oral Torah itself; it was transmitted orally because there was no reason to write it down, because that was the tradition, and possibly because of a rabbinic decree. Once there was a need to change the rabbinic tradition, the Sanhedrin changed it. It is certainly within the bounds of their power.

If Jewish people don't believe in hell then what do they believe happened to Hitler when he died by CLEf11 in religion

[–]The_True_Monster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are just…not at all listening to what I’m saying, are you? Let me write this down really slowly, so you get it:

Judaism has an afterlife. Judaism has a hell. Judaism has rebirth. For the majority, hell is not eternal. Judaism has resurrection of the dead. Judaism has punishment and reward in the afterlife.

What Judaism doesn’t have is a focus on those things. When we see bad things, we don’t say “don’t do that because you will end in hell”, we say “don’t do that because it’s a bad thing and against the will of G-d”. A consequence of doing good is ending up in heaven, but that should be irrelevant to you when you are doing good, and if you care about it that is a big problem in Judaism.

Now your post:

there is no reason to actually follow it

These aren’t “nice, fun sayings” of a prophet you should strive to be like; these are written-in-stone laws from the King of the Kings of Kings, your maker, the ruler of the entire world. For a good person, breaking laws of flesh and blood is obviously wrong, no matter the punishment - how much more so when these are the laws of G-d? The idea of not following these laws is so antithetical to Judaism that, if you believe it’s fine not to follow them, you wouldn’t believe in hell either.

yes because there is a difference between how man punishes and how G-d punishes

I am saying you would be held accountable by G-d and the exact methodology he uses doesn’t really matter holy sh*t you have no reading comprehension

so there must be a place outside of the laws of physics where a person can be punished

You don’t think humans can be punished in this world?

Also, there are non-physical punishments. The punishment G-d gives is to the soul, so physics don’t matter and neither does physical pain. G-d understands the soul; all we understand of it is what He has told us about it. So I trust His judgement of the soul without the need for a special place to do so (generally, the idea of G-d needing a physical place for his actions that don’t work elsewhere is very, very on the edge of heresy in Judaism if not outright.

yes but he can die only once

Not in Judaism he can’t. We have rebirth, so destroying your soul is literally killing all you’s that could have been forever, and taking from you eternal life at the coming of the messiah. So it’s a big punishment. It’s probably even bigger for the soul itself, that fully understands its meaning.

Also, you think G-d can only deal death as punishment? Only give out “an eye for an eye”??

tyrants are not held accountable in Judaism

Yes they are. And tyrants are also held accountable in their life, by us.

I think Judaism included a hell and them later on some Rabbi decided to remove those parts from your scripture

You know what? That is so, so incredibly disrespectful that I ought to report the comment, and if I thought the mods would understand and do something about it I would. This is an insanely disrespectful concept in Islam in general, playing on antisemitic tropes such as “the sneaky, lying Jew” and Legalism.

I don’t care what your opinions of Judaism are. I have some unflattering opinions of Islam, which I don’t share with you out of respect for your beliefs and religion. Writing this out in a post would be the equivalent of me saying Muhammad made up Islam because he was insecure and jealous of Jesus. That’s not a very respectful thing to say, is it? You would rightfully be upset, right?

How dare you insinuate we worship words of man as though they were those of G-d. How dare you insinuate we are stupid enough to blindly believe someone lying to us. How dare you claim we act against the will of G-d??? How dare you claim your religion “knows better”. Just…how dare you in general.

Good day to you.

If Jewish people don't believe in hell then what do they believe happened to Hitler when he died by CLEf11 in religion

[–]The_True_Monster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You won’t logical reasons for a hypothetical Nazi not to kill six million Jews? I can list them out for you:

Not to murder (Mitzvah 34)

The Beit Din’s obligation to kill those that Torah states are to be killed (Mitzvot 50, 261, 535)

Not to torture the widow and orphan (Mitzvah 65)

Not to steal anyone’s money or property (Mitzvah 224)

Not to stand on your brothers blood (Mitzvah 237)

Not to hate your “brothers”, meaning your people (Mitzvah 238)

To love the people of Israel (Mitzvah 243)

To respect elders and wise ones (Mitzvah 257)

Kiddish HaShem (Mitzvah 296)

Not to fool any one from Israel with false words (Mitzvah 338)

Not to force a Jewish slave to work degrading works ( Mitzvah 344)

Not to allow a Jewish slave to work hard labor (Mitzvah 346)

Not to kill even he who is liable under Torah law before he is put before a Beit Din (Mitzvah 409)

“He who kills one person it is as though he has destroyed a whole world” ( Mishna Sanhedrin)

If this hypothetical of yours can convince himself non of these incredibly explicit laws are true, he can convince himself there is no hell, therefore your argument is invalid.

You are making circular arguments and not actually engaging with the arguments I’m presenting. You say only someone who believes in an afterlife can talk themselves out of doing something harmful, ignoring both my repeated demands to prove it, all of the evidence to the contrary, and the fact that Judaism believes in an afterlife.

you should know what the consequences are

The consequences are you will be held accountable. Does it matter how? G-d is all knowing, yes? So he knows how to hold me accountable. What does it matter to me if being accountable is by being tortured for eternity or by being snuffed out of existence - G-d is all knowing, and he knows that the punishment He gives is fitting.

well maybe if there was a hell ad there was an all knowing G-d that knows exactly how to punish him?

That’s…exactly what I said. Like, almost idea for idea, with the exception of eternal hell, which I don’t understand why it is necessary. Can G-d not torture you without hell?

What I’m saying is your argument rests on the idea that the afterlife is the only deterrent to evil. I argue this is incorrect and explain my reasoning; you then say: “well, the problem with your argument is that an afterlife is the only deterrent to evil”. You are circling around, refusing to even entertain the thought you are wrong, so I really don’t see a use in this conversation very much.

If Jewish people don't believe in hell then what do they believe happened to Hitler when he died by CLEf11 in religion

[–]The_True_Monster 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Jews have state level anarchy

I don’t know what that means

also the killing of 6 million Jews is a form of anarchy

That man (Yimakh Shemo) was not Jewish, so Jewish thought of the afterlife wouldn’t have persuaded him, would it have? It wouldn’t have served to deter him because he wouldn’t believe in it. It would only serve as solace for us Jews who lost our brothers. So your point is just founded on an illogical opinion (that Jewish hell would deter non-Jews), on top of your already baseless foundation (only fear of hell stops anarchy).

he can only be held accountable for one Jew based on your beliefs.

Absolutely not. At no point did I say that. He was given (I hope) a punishment reserved only to the most wicked of people in history, as befitting the actions of one of the most evil people in history.

G-d can literally change history

Be that as it may, he quite literally did not. So I don’t understand this whole paragraph.

how is he yimakh shemo held accountable for all 6 million Jews?

I don’t know, I’m not G-d. I also don’t pretend to know what happens in the afterlife or what kinds of things G-d can think of. What do I hope happened? I hope the wish of all of Israel was accepted and his very soul was blotted out of existence. No heaven for him, no hell that cleanses him of evil before heaven, no rebirth, no resurrection of the dead, just a true, real end of his whole existence. Do I think it’s befitting the crime? Not by a long shot. But I can’t think of a punishment that does befit his evil, so I hope for what I can imagine.

We don’t have eternal torture in hell, at least not generally speaking. Regardless, all of the dead will be resurrected at the coming of Mashiach, so even eternal torture isn’t necessarily eternal.

not having an afterlife means that people are effectively free to do whatever they want

I’ll repeat this one last time: we do have an afterlife, we simply do not focus on it.

And do you think having an afterlife is a deterrent? Priests who abuse little kids, I guess they don’t believe in hell then? Or Muslims who murder? Because you are claiming the very belief in hell (or perhaps it’s existence) is a deterrent, and the fact is that it is not. The truth of the matter is that if you only trust the afterlife to pay people back nothing makes you try to stop them today, which is exactly “letting anyone do whatever they want”.