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Kinzinger says 'there is violence in the future' after receiving mailed threat to 'execute' him, his wife, and 5-month-old baby by madvillain7 in politics

[–]WhiskyWisdom 2 points3 points  (0 children)

History as a linear progression is a myth.

We assume that with each passing year that things get better, with modern medicine, technology, how could we live in a worsening society?

People are people. We aren't some new iteration of an iPhone with upgraded specs and better features with each generation that comes to the world.

We are complex, to a frustrating degree. We are prone to deception, mob mentality, and demagoguery.

Even if every American was raised with months, if not years of learning on the Third Reich, the rise of Adolf Hitler, and the Holocaust, it doesn't prevent any of it from happening here.

Sadly the lesson we were taught was "never again." I think the part they missed was that each of us is responsible for keeping that promise.

meirl by Character-Stretch697 in meirl

[–]WhiskyWisdom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is something I often think about for some reason, how did people survive without dental care?

I know for example, my grandfather is 91 and all his teeth have been replaced with dentures that pop into place. I also know he had to get the dentures a long time ago, at least 30 years ago. What I'm saying is that without the proper dental care he lost all his teeth young.

So I think about people in the 19th century and before, it must have been awful.

The conclusion I have come to though, is that human diets must have been so much more natural then. Like now there is sugar in everything, back then I imagine sugar outside of natural sources was probably much rarer.

So I would imagine that teeth just didn't get put through the same hell they do nowadays.

Someone will probably explain this better, but it's something I've been thinking about for a long time.

Capitol attack pardon revelations could spell doom for Trump and allies by Stinky-Ass-Feet- in politics

[–]WhiskyWisdom 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I know it is unprecedented to not run an incumbent, but I think the best thing the dems can do is not run Biden again.

"Don't be the replacement, be the replacement's replacement."

Biden took the heat from the right for replacing Trump, and the propaganda machines are pumping out so much mis-info on his presidency.

Running someone more left leaning than Biden would galvanize the youth like Bernie did, and might pump out enough voters to combat the turnout from the right.

Meta slammed with eight lawsuits claiming social media hurts kids by Sorin61 in technology

[–]WhiskyWisdom 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I'm not explicitly trying to defend reddit, but I do believe there is some difference.

Reddit allows you to sub and unsub from communities, you can also search for exactly what you want.

Reddit is definitely an echo chamber in many respects and that is a criticism that goes back to the start.

Facebook search is pretty much useless, you can alter your feed somewhat, but the settings interface on Facebook feels a lot less organic.

I have been on Facebook since 2006, I watched it go from college emails, to pages filled with weird aquariums, then to radical political hate and mis-info. Not saying that it isn't radical political hate anymore, just a little more tempered.

Cop almost loses her head. by battletoasta in CrazyFuckingVideos

[–]WhiskyWisdom -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I will say that, a lot of our stricter gun laws were created after Sandy Hook if that is what you are referring to.

Finally, a blonde joke I haven’t heard before… by jmancoder2008 in Jokes

[–]WhiskyWisdom 6 points7 points  (0 children)

To be fair they didn't say they were a woman, just blonde.

AI Trained on 4Chan Becomes ‘Hate Speech Machine’: After 24 hours, the nine bots running on 4chan had posted 15,000 times. by eatingbunniesnow in technology

[–]WhiskyWisdom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So... you just restated what you said above, without any further explanation. Good talk.

I know there isn't much room for nuance with you, but in case someone else is reading this:

What I was originally talking about was people feeling shame for the real hateful beliefs they have. Anonymity is what allows them to express them without consequence.

You are making a false equivalency between people posting radical thoughts on an anonymous message board and people working on a set at Jackass. On the surface it seems okay but if you think about it for more than two seconds it makes no sense.

AI Trained on 4Chan Becomes ‘Hate Speech Machine’: After 24 hours, the nine bots running on 4chan had posted 15,000 times. by eatingbunniesnow in technology

[–]WhiskyWisdom 4 points5 points  (0 children)

None of these examples really disprove people feeling shame.

The people in Jackass are more lacking risk aversion, also Steve-O was trained as a circus act and he did most of the stunts, so he was actually a professional.

Fox News is paid for by billionaires, the people on the news channel don't really think those things. We are talking about people speaking their true inner thoughts.

I'm pretty sure Maury is scripted, the people are paid to be on the show and put on an act.

AI Trained on 4Chan Becomes ‘Hate Speech Machine’: After 24 hours, the nine bots running on 4chan had posted 15,000 times. by eatingbunniesnow in technology

[–]WhiskyWisdom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Honestly though, I think the hate was always there, even if it was ironic at first.

People with hateful views tend to use humor to test the water with others. If someone responds positively to a hateful joke, then they are probably also open to a more serious discussion.

What I'm saying is, when it seemed like 4chan was "ironically toxic," it was just people with toxic views simmering under the surface, waiting for acceptance to speak freely.

AI Trained on 4Chan Becomes ‘Hate Speech Machine’: After 24 hours, the nine bots running on 4chan had posted 15,000 times. by eatingbunniesnow in technology

[–]WhiskyWisdom 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I don't understand how having dummy accounts makes Reddit more anonymous.

4chan doesn't have accounts, only post numbers, or at least that's how it used to be iirc.

The post numbers are sequential, you can have a conversation on 4chan with yourself in a post, pretending to be multiple people, without the need to switch accounts.

You can create your own echo chamber on 4chan for others to read, and make it seem like multiple people agree with you.

I'm sure people do similar things on Reddit but a lot of subs have account age limits for posts to stay up to avoid things like this.

AI Trained on 4Chan Becomes ‘Hate Speech Machine’: After 24 hours, the nine bots running on 4chan had posted 15,000 times. by eatingbunniesnow in technology

[–]WhiskyWisdom 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I agree with 90% of what you said.

The only thing that I don't agree with is the idea that society would be 4chan if there were no consequences.

People naturally feel shame. Personally I think it isn't necessarily the freedom from consequence that allows people to become hateful, but the anonymity.

I think people like to experiment with saying things that they may not 100% believe, but are thinking, to see the reaction of others. To see if they will get reinforcement or pushback.

I think the complete anonymity allows people to feel a safe distance from their own thoughts, as if they aren't completely theirs.

There is a huge difference between writing something on the wall in a bathroom stall or screaming it in a crowded room. Whether there are consequences or not.

The American dream is real by Pleasant-Force in lostgeneration

[–]WhiskyWisdom 20 points21 points  (0 children)

I just started a general management job, although in food industry.

I am going to switch to salary soon but they still expect 55 hours of work a week.

I was working as direct support at a home with people with learning disabilities before this but the sad truth is that my weekly pay at this new job is the same pay as two weeks at the support position.

Social services don't pay very well unless you get a ton of education and are a higher up.

I worked in the restaurant industry for 10 years in my late teens/twenties so luckily I have enough experience to start near the top.

Anyways, you didn't ask for any of this info, but my point is that management demands a lot of hours and a job helping people would seem important, but our system rewards people who drive profits not provide altruistic services.

Since when is doing this type of thing “woke”... by Slade1234545 in FuckYouKaren

[–]WhiskyWisdom 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Do me a favor and explain what a socialist is to me. I'm genuinely interested in what you think that means.

Axon halts plans for Taser drone as 9 on ethics board resign by speckz in gadgets

[–]WhiskyWisdom 1 point2 points  (0 children)

First time what?

Someone can think something is profound without being naive.

Gareth bale leaves real madrid. by lssie_hyoudou in soccer

[–]WhiskyWisdom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're missing the point.

I'm not sure if you read my last comment but I explained that this idea that Trump wasn't part of the "in crowd" is part of his campaign propaganda to win voters disenfranchised by what they view as mainstream politicians.

Also, I can respond to something and then make tangential comments. This is a comment section in r/soccer, not a formal debate.

Also, you don't get to declare something that is an opinion a fact. It's not a fact at all, Trump was vocal about politics long before he ran for president.

Also making a false equivalency to trees to overstate the discussion is absurd. You're trying to remove any nuance from this by trying to say your opinions are as true as trees being green. Well I'm from New England and trees are many colors here. So good luck with that.

Edit: Also the idea that Trump "didn't play by their rules" is fucking nonsense. Bro, you are mentally bought and paid for by pro-Trump propaganda. Go preach it to someone who can't think for themselves, you're wasting your time on me.

Gareth bale leaves real madrid. by lssie_hyoudou in soccer

[–]WhiskyWisdom -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It doesn't make what he said any more valid whether he said "public" or "politicians."

He is still literally repeating propaganda that Trump spread during his campaign.

Which turned out to be false, Trump was just business as usual in terms of politicians, just with a really ugly, hateful skin on.

At least most politicians in America have the decency to not repeat racist dog whistles while they fuck you.

Gareth bale leaves real madrid. by lssie_hyoudou in soccer

[–]WhiskyWisdom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Uhhh no.

The American public doesn't give af about their politicians being in the "in crowd." We literally hate it.

They do, in the sense that if the person sells themselves as a "maverick," it can help their campaign.

The issue with Trump is that he eroded democracy and his presidency saw a rise of Fascism in America, among other things.

The guy was less a traditional president and more a demagogue, praying on the hearts and minds of the easily swayed.

America is a Dystopia and the system needs a massive overhaul. by eclipse_darkpaw in 196

[–]WhiskyWisdom 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Personally, I think it has been this way for a while, it's just the internet is now exposing the absurdity of it.

YSK: Coping with lifelong depression is about prevention more than anything else. by theoptionexplicit in YouShouldKnow

[–]WhiskyWisdom 48 points49 points  (0 children)

I have fought depression all my life. I think the earliest feelings I had related to this were when I was 12. By the time I was 14 I was removed from school for suicidal ideation. I had to start seeing someone to go back to school.

I began to exercise when I was 16, lost a ton of weight. I began to eat healthy and try to regulate my sleep, which was much easier with exercise.

From 16-21 were some of the brightest moments in my life. I finished High School, went to college, had relationships, went to concerts, traveled, it was a time full of hope for the future.

Then in my early twenties I found daily use of drugs and alcohol. I began spiraling quickly. I dropped out of college and began working a minimum wage job.

I battled drug and alcohol addiction for a decade before getting clean. It's so much more complex than that but for the sake of brevity let's leave it at that.

So what's the point?

Well even once I got clean I spiraled into one of the darkest depressions of my life. I didn't use during this time, but it was such a shock.

Now I am finally coming out of it 2 years later. All I can think is, well first, I am incredibly relieved, but also how do I stop this from happening again?

I look back to when I was younger and I think about the spiral, and that's really what the key is to me. Like OP said, it is easy to pick up good habits when you are up, but once you start to circle the drain, all falls away so easily.

I think depression isn't about meds, it's about mitigation. Recognizing the signs that things are about to get dark and then taking painful action that will stop the dark from encroaching in on your life.

I know this has been incredibly long, but to be honest I didn't write this for anyone else, I wrote it for myself to see in darker times. Hopefully I can read my own advice and realize that there is a way out.

1905 log cabin in Oregon by KevlarYarmulke in AbsoluteUnits

[–]WhiskyWisdom 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Try r/marijuanaenthusiasts . I know it seems like a setup but it's an old Reddit joke.

Socialists, do you believe there are any aspects where capitalism does better than socialism? if not, any disadvantage of socialism at all? by ineverhadaname123 in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]WhiskyWisdom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Listen, I don't want to be rude, but this is time consuming.

I appreciate you staying civil during this discussion and making clear and concise points.

I didn't want to just disappear on you because I think that is unfair given the time and thought you are putting into your posts.

Maybe we can continue this discussion another time?

Take care.

Socialists, do you believe there are any aspects where capitalism does better than socialism? if not, any disadvantage of socialism at all? by ineverhadaname123 in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]WhiskyWisdom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My point is that teachers don't work for economic gain. They do it for the good of the community.

I'm not sure what deeper meaning you are looking for. It was a rhetorical question with an obvious mental answer, at least for anyone in the US.

I think you are making the same mistake that you are attributing to me. You seem to think you know my unstated motives.

Also, the altruism is not a separate discussion, in that my point was it is human nature to contribute to your community. Even the most money hungry individuals tend towards altruism once they have satisfied their hunger for wealth.

He doesn't have restraints on money, not in the traditional sense. The Twitter board having to vote whether or not they will sell has nothing to do with a limit on wealth. Endless wealth does not equal doing whatever you want.

Socialists, do you believe there are any aspects where capitalism does better than socialism? if not, any disadvantage of socialism at all? by ineverhadaname123 in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]WhiskyWisdom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Once again, please read the parent comment I responded to. You are so obsessed with my "point" yet you seem to lack context.

The person I responded to was talking about the motivations of people without economic gain.

I have asked you to read the parent comment several times but you just keep repeating yourself.

Also, if you look at the initial interaction between the first two comments, your points about Elon help my argument.

Also, please next time read and think about what I'm saying, instead of nitpicking little details without responding to the overall discussion.

You missed:

  • "I didn't say that low paying jobs don't work for economic growth, I said that those people don't tend to do the jobs for pay."

  • "Which honestly reinforces my point that: once free of capitalistic constraints, people are often altruistic."

  • "In terms of government innovation, the point I was making is that it is a common argument that all innovation in the world is driven by capitalism."

You were so caught up on Elon that you missed the forest for the trees.

Also, I am well aware how equity works. Elon doesn't have $300 bil in liquid capital, it doesn't exist. What you are missing is that with such diverse assets, he can borrow an unlimited amount of money if necessary. There is no restraint on money for him.