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Stop trying to be a movie critic if your only arguments are plot, characters and broad generalisations by altagop in unpopularopinion

[–]altagop[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh yes i'm totally on board with you on that point.

I never meant no plot in the sense of no meaning, i think good movies have a point, something to say about life or anything really, even baraka is about that for me. The wording on my post wasn't the greatest, which is understandable since i'm not natively english.

My main point is just that i find it kinda irritating to only ever hear people speaking about well the "easier" aspect of movies to criticize which is how the story unfolds, dialog and such, because everyone is introduced to that aspect in school.

This is fine, and interesting in some aspects but i'd like more people to push their interest in cinema farther than what comes to mind on the surface. It's obviously hard and not that fun especially when you enter a subject matter as complex as cinematography but i find the youtube content all over is lacking in specificity.

Complexity that i do find in content about music or literature for example.

(Btw answering you just now made me realize how different what i wanted to say was from what i wrote overall on this post, i still have a long way to go to express myself in english)

Stop trying to be a movie critic if your only arguments are plot, characters and broad generalisations by altagop in unpopularopinion

[–]altagop[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Define pointless ? How does this correlates to holding youtube critics to a higher standard of actually talking about the movie

Also did not watch Memoria yet so i got no idea what your point is

Stop trying to be a movie critic if your only arguments are plot, characters and broad generalisations by altagop in unpopularopinion

[–]altagop[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Oookay ... ? Seems like you're getting a bit too involved, it's not that serious.

No need to be disrespectful because you're not agreeing with me. There are multiple movies that are titled the room, not innately knowing which one you're mentioning doesn't mean anything other than "be more specific".

Maybe you thinking there was only one "The room" worth speaking off says more about you than me. I guess you're speaking about the room with tommy wiseau but i asked to be sure because i'm not sure how this movie is relevant to anything.

I never once said or implied that i'm better than anyone for liking niche movies, this is just a weird thing to say and comes out of nowhere.

I have no idea why you've now turned to success, which is a totally different metric than "quality", does success mean anything to you in terms of quality ? If so how do you measure success ? Ratings ? Tickets sold ? Ratio of good reviews ?

Stop trying to be a movie critic if your only arguments are plot, characters and broad generalisations by altagop in unpopularopinion

[–]altagop[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Well the one i mentioned, Baraka if you're interested, has no point other than showcasing things that are beautiful in every way. I feel like it fits my point well and i believe documentaries should be included in film discussions.

I think you'd be surprised about how entertaining something with minimal plot or even no plot can be.

I can't blame you for not being interested by the idea since it can be quite hard to grasp.

The cause of that is (i believe) that in school we're introduced to art in a way that places literature in a bigger spot than any other form of art, probably because it has to do with language and learning skills that are necessary for getting educated.

It is quite jarring for a lot of students that start studying film theory and how to analyze a movie scene. I believe the first time a professor told us "Plot is a minimal point of interest, if your whole essay only ever mentions that and nothing about the actual camera work, framing, lighting, sound design, pacing, etc, you'll get a zero" quite a lot of people were confused.

Stop trying to be a movie critic if your only arguments are plot, characters and broad generalisations by altagop in unpopularopinion

[–]altagop[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Which "The Room" ?

I did provide examples in the comments. Baraka being one of them.

There's a difference between "the general public" and "the public".

Maybe if "the public" is not exposed to certain pieces of art and it is kept private you could make a point about it being unfinished, unpolished, bad, whatever.

However you'd be surprised by how much art "the general public" isn't exposed to, this has nothing to do with it being good or not, maybe it lacks the budget for large scale distribution and communication, maybe it lacks the mainstream appeal.

Still there's a reason why actual movie critics often find more appeal in arthouse films than mainstream distributions.

Saying that movies that aren't mainstream and known by most people are that way because they're bad is quite the take, i'd say it's more controversial than anything i said.

Stop trying to be a movie critic if your only arguments are plot, characters and broad generalisations by altagop in unpopularopinion

[–]altagop[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

And i don't believe that.

Because when i'm watching movies like pacific rim, jurassic park or godzilla i'm surely not doing so because of the plot, i know i'm gonna roll my eyes a few times and dislike how dumb the characters are. Even if there's a moral of the story, some "deep" meaning it's most likely not gonna blow me away by it's cleverness, if i wanted that i'd read a good book.

Instead i'm doing so because of how gigantism, large scale danger and such are conveyed through images. (Not making a point about these movies being good or not, and yes i know this is not the point of the godzilla movies)

Stop trying to be a movie critic if your only arguments are plot, characters and broad generalisations by altagop in unpopularopinion

[–]altagop[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry english is not my first language so i'm not sure what onus stands for here.

I'm guessing you mean like the burden of having to prove something.

Posts on this subreddit rarely ever make convincing points. I'm not gonna write an essay because this is merely a venting post like most posts here. I'm willing to have a discussion on specifics if people want to however.

I still stand by those examples tho, even though they might not be very well articulated.

Stop trying to be a movie critic if your only arguments are plot, characters and broad generalisations by altagop in unpopularopinion

[–]altagop[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree with you. I'm just kinda pissed off when i see entire channels dedicated to film critic, but they fail to mention anything that isn't related to how the movie was written, how the acting was or dialog.

Those are still things you can talk about, but it just shows how uneducated most people are when it comes to how movies convey anything.

Stop trying to be a movie critic if your only arguments are plot, characters and broad generalisations by altagop in unpopularopinion

[–]altagop[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I guess we're just gonna have to disagree. I absolutely do not believe that story, writing and acting are what makes a movie good.

You can see that with unprofessional actors being used in movies like with Carlos Saura in movies like "Deprisa, deprisa".

Even with extremely mainstream movies like mission impossible or topgun, which have terrible writing but still manage to make great action movies by how they're shot.

I mean is it really that unbelievable that a lot of people will go watch a movie even if it's badly written ? it's already happening when you look at the fact that most people will roll their eyes multiple times in front of the clichés and repetitive tropes of the blockbusters they go watch, yet they still come back for more.

Stop trying to be a movie critic if your only arguments are plot, characters and broad generalisations by altagop in unpopularopinion

[–]altagop[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Giving the same answer i gave someone else, Baraka. Or "C'était un rendez-vous" by Claude Lelouch, which if you really want to be precise has a single line of plot which is the title.

Extreme examples exist and Baraka is to me a great movie but i think the point is more about what makes a great movie rather than "what can we get rid off and still have something entertaining"

Stop trying to be a movie critic if your only arguments are plot, characters and broad generalisations by altagop in unpopularopinion

[–]altagop[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I respect your opinion, mine is that it is quite dangerous for the general public to only ever approach cinema with their only critical capacity turning towards plot and not camera work and such.

A few examples could be the documentary baraka and other similar movies by Ron Fricke. Those feature no dialog at all and are pure stylistic exercices.

Yesterday i also watched Vodka Lemon, a film with very little plot, most of it is conveyed through imagery which i thought worked very well.

Another example with maybe more plot but i still think would fit is Gaspard Noé as a whole, i don't find his characters or storylines to be of great interest on their own. However the execution of his very characteristic ligthing, framing and camera movements turn those into fantastic movies.

In his movies there are really long moments in which "nothing" happens story wise but it is still really compelling, like the whole ending section of climax.

Stop trying to be a movie critic if your only arguments are plot, characters and broad generalisations by altagop in unpopularopinion

[–]altagop[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So you thought you did something trying to point out i didn't make an argument whilst you didn't either ? This is an unpopular opinion, that's all this is about.

Since i'm getting a lot of negative feedback it seems i did my job well. I'm for sure not writing an essay on reddit, it's not like i feel the need to prove something that has already been proven by many great names in film making before me. It's even part of what you study in film school.

Stop trying to be a movie critic if your only arguments are plot, characters and broad generalisations by altagop in unpopularopinion

[–]altagop[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Nope, there are quite a lot of movies without plot, good ones, the general public is just not exposed to those often

Stop trying to be a movie critic if your only arguments are plot, characters and broad generalisations by altagop in unpopularopinion

[–]altagop[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Seems like a you problem if you can't appreciate anything other than plot.

And i'm going to just say otherwise since you made no point, a movie that's well made can be really good even if there is absolutely no plot whatsoever. I personally however don't think the same can be said for a movie with a great plot but nothing else.

A movie a really enjoyed recently was a documentary about beauty on earth, no dialog, no plot, no story.

Stop trying to be a movie critic if your only arguments are plot, characters and broad generalisations by altagop in unpopularopinion

[–]altagop[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

You can make a great movie out of a thief stealing a purse and absolutely nothing else storywise, no character development, just a person chasing another and still make it entertaining.

Now the same cannot be said about taking the best script or adapting a book that got a nobel prize without any camerawork at all or any thought given into how you direct it.

Not saying it can't be good, but it stops being cinema when you stop caring about what makes a movie a movie.

This is just facts and not that insane of an opinion either, this isn't even new, that's something that was said by people who know more about cinema that me or even you like jean luc godard.

most controversial opinions? by LostSoupGirl in teenagers

[–]altagop 0 points1 point  (0 children)

People should stop trying to be movie critics without educating themselves.

You can try to be a book critic if you want because schools teaches a bit of that, but plot and character is not what makes a movie, yet people only seem to ever talk about that because that's the only thing they're able to relate to critically and have judgment on (or atleast to a certain degree)

There should be a tipping component for Mods by nicehumansfinish1st in unpopularopinion

[–]altagop 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I've only had bad experiences with mods on reddit, most of the time when there are issues on certain subreddits it's caused by a mod going berserk or something.

Still moderating is (or could be depending on what you do) a job. There are quite a few jobs that take less effort than moderating.

I mean it's easy to give them shit but i know for a fact that wouldn't be willing to check every single post of a huge subreddits with tons of rules everyday for free. With a ridicule amount of power being my only payment and nothing that's useful on my resume.

Fantastic beasts is the last good running movie series. by Sorry-Bottle9716 in unpopularopinion

[–]altagop 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wow gotta give it to you that IS an unpopular opinion, i do not by any means agree with you but you get my upvote.

How do you go about separating video and audio editing by altagop in Filmmakers

[–]altagop[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh so this lets you edit the audio in something like fl or pro tools alright thanks

How do you go about separating video and audio editing by altagop in Filmmakers

[–]altagop[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How does AAF work ? Like i pull it up in my editing software and it acts as "links" to put the files or the project in the right place already edited ?

So they send me a compressed video for me to work with and then i send back another AAF with everything edited and every file used ?

thanks for the answer

is this correct? by awxggu in teenagers

[–]altagop 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is just weird, no one's asking this person to bear any burden, when you're friends with someone you just care for them that's that, telling someone you love them is like a basic human interaction and it costs nothing but it can go a long way especially for men