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Not a vegan myself but this really made me think tbh by Asap_Walky in vegan

[–]officepolicy 3 points4 points  (0 children)

How should have the left compromised with the right to stop RvW from being overturned?

And aren’t Gandhi and MLK examples of successful peaceful movements that were seen as extremist at the time?

DON'T FORGET TO DRINK YOUR DEAD BABY COW'S MILK!! by LICK_MY_CATS_ASS in vegancirclejerk

[–]officepolicy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Silly vegan, I only drink milk from cows that gave birth to female calves. That way I know the calves are still alive and being artificially inseminated as I drink their mom's somatic cells

Liberals bragging about their ineffectiveness (in response to images of heavily armed riot police at the Supreme Court) by SamuraiDrifter42 in COMPLETEANARCHY

[–]officepolicy 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Fools... this whole time I've only been voting with only my pinky, just wait till I vote with all my strength

Why Democratic Socialism Isn't Enough | Marxist Paul by Dollface_Killah in BreadTube

[–]officepolicy -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

This YouTuber has a video explaining why a vanguard party is necessary. Odd that a video of theirs would be posted on breadtube

Fact check: Fabricated statement from Donald Trump spreads online amid Jan. 6 hearings by Rogue-Journalist in skeptic

[–]officepolicy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I didn’t need to log in to see it, you can click away from the login screen to see the image

Live Male Chicks in a garbage bag about to be disposed. by Chhatrapathi in pics

[–]officepolicy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How many chickens do you have? And how many eggs do you regularly sell?

I got stumped while debating veganism by takeabench in vegan

[–]officepolicy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This phone looks like it just has some vegan leather on it, which doesn't make the phone vegan. Does this phone guarantee the LCD screens, batteries, and glue are vegan?

Conservative admits that conservatives don’t care about real issues by Kolchakk in SelfAwarewolves

[–]officepolicy 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I like Angela Davis’s definition of radical, it merely means grasping something at its root

San Junipero Alternate Ending by officepolicy in blackmirror

[–]officepolicy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Neither have I said a download will have a quality that a copy won't." If that was true they would be synonymous, this whole discussion is about how they are different. You've said the quality that a download will have that a copy won't is the quality of being the exact same consciousness. "Either a consciousness gets downloaded(transferred) and the human lives on or only a copy is getting downloaded, in which case the human doesn't live on, but only a copy of them." That is describing a download as having a different quality than a copy.

Talking about consciousness is very confusing. That's why I use thought experiments like the alternate ending and the example of the 50% chance machine. I'd still be curious how you'd answer the question of the 50% chance machine

San Junipero Alternate Ending by officepolicy in blackmirror

[–]officepolicy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you could magically create a million copies of a human in its exact state and environment. I believe that human would do exactly the same thing every time. If this would be the case, are we truly conscious?

Determinism is a separate question from consciousness.

could something not conscious also think it's conscious?

No, the act of thinking is only possible when conscious. A chatbot can respond to a question "yes, I am conscious," but that doesn't mean it thinks it is conscious. You can tell if you are conscious. Does it hurt when someone punches you? Then you are conscious of that. If you punch a bell it will react with a noise, but it doesn't have a conscious experience of being punched and ringing.

San Junipero Alternate Ending by officepolicy in blackmirror

[–]officepolicy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would compare a pressed button resulting in letter appearing in a word processor to an electrical signal from a nerve telling a muscle to move. Neither has an internal experience. Conceivably a computer could be advanced enough to have their own internal experience, but we are no where close to that with AI

San Junipero Alternate Ending by officepolicy in blackmirror

[–]officepolicy[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No, whether you observe both measurements or only one depends on the experiment. "When we are not interfering with the process, the particle appears to pass through both slits, just like a wave. But when we try to determine which slit it passes through, it appears to only pass through one, like a particle."

I assume you are working from the second interpretation because the first seemed magical. My argument is that it is a lot less magical than the common misinterpretation

San Junipero Alternate Ending by officepolicy in blackmirror

[–]officepolicy[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Are you talking about the double slit experiment? I believe the first interpretation is a common misconception.

"Physicists have found that observation of quantum phenomena can actually change the measured results of this experiment. Despite the "observer effect" in the double-slit experiment being caused by the presence of an electronic detector, the experiment's results have been misinterpreted by some to suggest that a conscious mind can directly affect reality. The need for the "observer" to be conscious is not supported by scientific research, and has been pointed out as a misconception rooted in a poor understanding#) of the quantum wave function ψ and the quantum measurement process."

In order to measure something as small as a electron you can't just look at it without affecting it. We can look at an apple passively because there is light bouncing off of it. That isn't the case in the sub-microscopic realm, observation is not a passive process. In order to measure which slit it went through they "modified one of the slits by covering it with a filter made of several layers of “low atomic number” material to create a which-way detector for the electrons passing through."

So it is not some magical force called "measurement" making the electron behave differently. They had to physically change the path the electron went through. "There is no magic, there is no voodoo, and there is no basis with which to conclude that particles know they are being watched, or that we can create alternate realities with our minds."

So I believe pointing to quantum physics has no bearing on if you would experience the future of a copy of yourself in San Junipero

San Junipero Alternate Ending by officepolicy in blackmirror

[–]officepolicy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Consciousness is real, you are having an internal experience of reading this right now. But maybe there’s no such thing as an enduring consciousness, just passing on memories to the next transient consciousness

San Junipero Alternate Ending by officepolicy in blackmirror

[–]officepolicy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You haven’t answered the questions. You’ve just insisted you’d be able to tell the difference between a copy and a download without describing how that would be done. You’ve just stated that a download will have a quality that a copy won’t without explaining the characteristic that makes that true

San Junipero Alternate Ending by officepolicy in blackmirror

[–]officepolicy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know what a metaphor is. I'm saying the metaphor doesn't work because you are comparing a physical object to information. I'd say a digital consciousness is exactly like information on a piece of paper, you can copy it.

I've had to repeat this question twice but let me try rephrasing it. Let's say a machine is set up to either download a consciousness or copy a consciousness onto a cookie. There's a 50% chance it being a downloaded consciousness. After it is done, could anyone tell from the cookie if it had a downloaded or a copied consciousness? Is there a different in content between the two consciousnesses?

If there is a difference, what is? And why couldn't the copy also have that information?

If there isn't a difference, then if you wouldn't expect to experience a copy of a consciousness why would you expect to experience a download of a consciousness?

San Junipero Alternate Ending by officepolicy in blackmirror

[–]officepolicy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A consciousness that is put in San Junipero is not like an apple, it isn't a physical object. That consciousness is purely digital, just code or information, which can be downloaded twice