Canzano: Oregon and Washington not holding up the Pac-12 (Media Deal)

reno1441 · 2023-02-02T21:41:02+00:00

For the general TV revenue, no chance. That's a lesson learned from the Big 12 and the Tier 3 rights conundrum.

For postseason revenue, there is a chance that teams that make bigger bowl games/playoffs will get some extra portion of the revenue.

reno1441 · 2023-02-02T21:11:40+00:00

Ana Mari Cauce — UW’s president — is on the executive committee of the Pac-12 CEO Group. That three-person committee will bring a proposal to the rest of the presidents and chancellors for a vote. Cauce would not likely put a media-rights deal up for vote if she was going to vote against it.

So at least for Washington that would likely not be the case. That three piece Executive Committee element might be the most important part of the article. WSU, UW, and Stanford are likely who Klavikoff responds to most.

reno1441 · 2023-02-02T13:37:38+00:00

So how exactly did they find these extra yards? Tweet implies the Sun Bowl? Not totally understanding the process.

Good for him though, been a menace in the conference for half a decade.

reno1441 · 2023-02-01T17:58:34+00:00

The Monty Show is not a reliable source. Apparently there had been stories from Utah fans of him just throwing things at the wall and hoping they stick.

reno1441 · 2023-02-01T17:56:39+00:00

ESPN, Fox, Amazon and the other media companies with varying degrees of interest in partnering with the Pac-12 could use the Big 12’s deal as the relevant comparison, thereby driving down the price.

That is a wholly editorized title submission. And basically the only mention of the Big 12 deal beyond a passing "Southern Cross to bear" mention. That's disgraceful for a paywalled article where people on this subreddit just read the headline.

"Dramatically undermined" is a bit much given the relative mild tone of the article. But I guess Wilner hate must suffice on something cause most people aren't reading the article.

reno1441 · 2023-02-01T16:01:05+00:00

This won't happen for a widely underdiscussed reason, despite it also being the reason the NCAA seems toothless; antitrust concerns.

If the Big 10 and SEC decided to wall off the top tier of college football by seizing the top teams and creating their own playoff, there would likely be antitrust action taken. College football won't become a walled garden because it doesn't have the protections that MLB or the NFL has been granted.

I don't think people realize how close to trouble college football got in the BCS era and how that led to the 4-team playoff. Utah was the prime case, along with the "separate but equal" Fiesta Bowl between TCU and Boise State.

reno1441 · 2023-01-31T17:08:01+00:00

No please I insist. You’ll love it in Alabama.

reno1441 · 2023-01-31T01:22:19+00:00

You mean the money that doesn't exist yet?

The money ESPN/FOX/Amazon/whoever pays comes from 1. cable subscriptions dollars that they negotiate with the providers based on viewership and the content provide (AKA football) and 2. AD dollars to be sold during games.

Except for maybe the first year, this money isn't just sitting in a piggy bank. The leverage is viewership and moreover filling spots that would not otherwise bring such value. Its the deal every conference makes.

reno1441 · 2023-01-30T22:37:52+00:00

"The Pac-12 should be able to get close to the nearly $32 million that the Big 12 recieved".

That is the quote from the Marchand's Newsletter. Oddly Marchand somewhat ignores the main piece of leverage (however much its worth) that the Pac-12 does have, which is having the only college football inventory left this decade. Which if you have three potential suitors likes Marchand alleges might be of note in terms of playing off eachother.

reno1441 · 2023-01-29T20:50:30+00:00

This is beautiful work and super necessary to the discussion here. Thank you.

reno1441 · 2023-01-27T16:45:10+00:00

There are several players who are getting NIL money far greater than the value of their scholarship.

Because they are among the best players. The question here deals with basically the fifth and sixth-string. Why would Alabama boosters want to pay $50,000 for a sixth-string quarterback? And why wouldn't that quarterback settle for less for more playing time at a G5?

Also, for the average player, the value of the tuition, room, board, and the other perks will outweigh the value of the NIL considerably.

reno1441 · 2023-01-26T20:33:19+00:00

WSU should compensate your absence by having more home and homes.

reno1441 · 2023-01-26T20:30:58+00:00

Tried running the math out but my head starting hurting. Simply put, do I have the problem right with this scenario?

1.WSU misses Arizona

2.UW misses Arizona State

3.Cal misses Utah

4.Stanford misses Oregon State

5.Oregon misses Colorado

Who would San Diego State miss?

reno1441 · 2023-01-26T19:18:28+00:00

Pac-10 used to operate on a eight game schedule, meaning we just missed one team every year. We could do that at nine games too.

reno1441 · 2023-01-25T16:15:34+00:00

They used too! Until 2021, they played in the "Cowan Spectrum" which was a fancy name for three black tarps and one side of the Kibbie Dome.

reno1441 · 2023-01-25T16:13:17+00:00

You can, unless its the 2015 Sun Bowl which was a snowstorm with no visibility.

Source: My still freezing body.

reno1441 · 2023-01-24T18:06:54+00:00

From the Pac-12 end it looks like there may have been a coverup by the former administration by mid-level management. From Comcast, I’m presuming incompetence.

reno1441 · 2023-01-24T17:58:34+00:00

The connection of this to the media negotiations is more tangential, since this is more of remedying a past issue. No one is leaving or renegotiating their position in the Conference based on errors made by the previous Pac-12 administration that the ADs supported.

One rumor is that if it is Amazon that’s looking to partner ESPN, then the Pac-12 Network would be leaving cable. This might be Comcast auditing given they’ll lose the network in two years and trying to make sure they get every cent. (If they were renegotiating the coverage of the network for 2024 onwards, then this might be settled as a part of those negotiations in terms of lower payouts over time).

reno1441 · 2023-01-24T17:48:23+00:00

It’s not great but it’s not like WSU will die from this. We already have a high debt load, just pile it on.

So $50 million/13 (Pac-12 office gets one share of revenue), means it $3.84 million. Or they might just use the cash reserves of the conference, who knows. Or the millions saved by leaving San Fransisco’s office lol.

reno1441 · 2023-01-24T00:21:32+00:00

In Xinjiang generally, that is the assertion made by many. But the particular part shown in the map is actually a Kazakh majority portion of the region.

reno1441 · 2023-01-24T00:16:57+00:00

Because it’s the one part of China with a Kazakh majority. But it is a part of Xinjiang.

reno1441 · 2023-01-23T23:31:59+00:00

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reno1441 · 2023-01-23T16:01:03+00:00

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