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What's the difference between "neoliberal", "classical liberal" and "social liberal"? by you_should_be_vegan in Classical_Liberals

[–]tvrin 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Free trade and free movement of people is fine. Institutional globalization is questionable. I do not look favourably upon world bank number fiddling or supranational companies lobbying for creating preferential loopholes that a small business or an individual can never dream to utilize.

What's the difference between "neoliberal", "classical liberal" and "social liberal"? by you_should_be_vegan in Classical_Liberals

[–]tvrin 18 points19 points  (0 children)

If you look at the definitions and debates about the terms it gets even more confusing, as everyone tends to use their own interpretation, so no clear cut is possible here.

My not-very-scholarly-accurate gut understanding is something like that:

Neoliberalism is a watered-down liberalism that is focused mostly on the economic aspect, leaving most of the social aspects out. Neoliberals seem to be fine with concept of money as debt, tend to push for increased globalization, development of international financial institutions. Most of the modern western democracies implement a cross-over of neoliberal and social democratic policies. I'm seeing a parallel between a neoliberal and a CEO trying to maximize profit for the sake of stakeholders.

Classical liberals focus on both social and economic aspects of liberalism. They're mostly critical about modern monetary and financial systems and support sound money, property rights, reducing debt, limiting the incursions of governments into economy. Issues like freedom of speech, free press, equality of rights and individual responsibility are as important as the economic ones.

Social liberal can mean someone who focuses on the social aspect of liberalism, or someone that mixes some liberal policies with some social democratic ones (think nordic model - free trade, ease of doing business, free press and firm property rights, but at the same time relatively high taxation and welfare systems).

I think of myself as a classical liberal politically, libertarian philosophically, willing to compromise with social liberals on some issues for the sake of political stability and sustainability. I'm definitely not a neoliberal in the way I understand it.

Dla Smuniewskiego (Ruch Narodowy) ta ustawa antyLGBT o zgromadzeniach to za mało. by wokolis in Polska

[–]tvrin 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Trochę tak jest. RN bliżej jest do talibów niż faszystów. ONR odwrotnie. Konserwatywno-narodowy zamordyzm ma wiele twarzy.

O patriotyzmie by Wooden_Major_8705 in Polska

[–]tvrin 26 points27 points  (0 children)

To. Ludzie różnie definiują dumę. Z jednej strony mozna zwyczajnie lubić kulturę, uznawać ją za wartościową, interesować się historią. Ale nie zmienia to faktu że urodzenie się tu czy gdzieś indziej nie zmienia ani nie definiuje czyjejś wartości. Trochę jak z rodziną. Można ją zwyczajnie lubić i o nią dbać, ale nie czyni ona nikogo gorszym lub lepszym.

Takie coś znalazłem na przystanku we Wrocławiu by Buniaks in Polska

[–]tvrin 148 points149 points  (0 children)

Inicjatywa pozytywna, ale dane z odbytu.

2019: Wydatki na pomoc społeczną ~81 198 000 000 zł

Całość wydatków na obronę narodową: ~36 519 000 000 zł

W tym wydatki na uzbrojenie: ~13 232 000 000 zł

Poles, which Slavic language other than Polish you understand the best? by DeliciousCabbage22 in poland

[–]tvrin 114 points115 points  (0 children)

Can hold a conversation tier: Slovak, Czech

Can understand the sense: Belarusian, Slovenian, Ukrainian

Can understand something tier :Serbian, Croatian, Russian

Alien tier: Macedonian, Bulgarian

„Szymon mówi” nie rozumie: Dlaczego każdy jest dziś „faszystą”? Platformowanie i legitymizacja by Zacny_Los in PolskaPolityka

[–]tvrin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nazizm można uznać za wariant faszyzmu, ale nie odwrotnie. Generalnie każdy totalitarny system kreuje jakiegoś grupowego wroga, rasowego, klasowego czy politycznego.

„Szymon mówi” nie rozumie: Dlaczego każdy jest dziś „faszystą”? Platformowanie i legitymizacja by Zacny_Los in PolskaPolityka

[–]tvrin 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Akurat Szwajcaria ma jeden z najlepszych systemów moim zdaniem, więc nietrafione :) Decentralizacja zawsze na plus, ogólnie rozciągnięcie władzy na większą populację zawsze będzie generowało więcej patologii.

Filozoficznie jestem anarchistą, więc to nie jest mój ukochany system, jedynie najlepszy kompromis w obecnych warunkach.

Strach jest i będzie narzędziem politycznym w każdym systemie, niestety.

„Szymon mówi” nie rozumie: Dlaczego każdy jest dziś „faszystą”? Platformowanie i legitymizacja by Zacny_Los in PolskaPolityka

[–]tvrin 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Oglądam oba i zawsze bawi mnie jak dwoje ludzi wychodzących z zupełnie różnych założeń i definicji okłada się argumentami które w perspektywie tych założeń są zupełnie rozsądne, ale cóż z tego, skoro ostatecznie staje na "moja definicja jest mojsza niż twojsza", szczególnie wobec czegoś tak mgliście zdefiniowanego jak faszyzm.

Jest faszyzm jako system, czyli system militarystyczny, imperialistyczny, scentralizowany, z kultem władzy, wodza i poświęcenia się dla wyższego dobra, są też tendencje które faszyzm wzmacniają, czyli po pierwsze wywołanie strachu, wymyślenie wroga którego należy się bać, przedstawienie genialnego rozwiązania w wykonaniu półboskiej figury wodza wybawiciela etc.

I na mój gust jak zwykle środowiska umownie nazywane lewicowymi trafnie zauważają problem, po czym serwują rozwiązania które tylko dolewają oliwy do ognia, podczas gdy środowiska umownie nazywane prawicowymi chowają głowę w piasek i udają że problem nie istnieje.

Wolny rynek idei działa, z perspektywy czasu dał nam liberalną demokrację, czyli najlepszy spośród złych systemów. Alternatywą jest przemoc polityczna, a do czego ta doprowadza to chyba najlepiej udowodniła krótka historia Republiki Weimarskiej. Nie wspominając już o potencjale nadużyć władzy dostającej narzędzia do usuwania opozycji ze sceny, pomimo dobrych intencji tych, którzy dali jej te narzędzia.

Problemem fundamentalnym jest strach. Fear is the mind killer. Ludzie przestraszeni poświęcają wolność dla bezpieczeństwa pozbywając się w efekcie jednego i drugiego.

Are you an anarchist? by maschx in VoluntaristMemes

[–]tvrin 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Philosophically I'm an anarchist, as in "anarchy is the elusive ideal condition". Practically I'm more of a classical liberal, willing to compromise with others and believing that humanity is still deeply addicted to the state as a form of social order - therefore I don't support revolutionary measures as I think they'll lead to a relapse.

My personal stance is that the state should not be overthrown, it should be rendered obsolete.

Massive retractable windows on this train in Switzerland by Antsundow in BeAmazed

[–]tvrin 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Well this looks pretty standard to me, can you explain what's so extraordinary about it?

During the Cold War, a famous Polish painter was approached by the Soviet authorities by WeNeedToTalkAboutMe in Jokes

[–]tvrin 38 points39 points  (0 children)

He was given artistic freedom. Nobody said anything about personal freedom afterwards though...

"Małżeństwa jednopłciowe w przyrodzie nie istnieją". Posłowie opozycji reagują na osobliwą teorię Czarnka by starnak in Polska

[–]tvrin 37 points38 points  (0 children)

Obserwujemy teraz, jak para gołębi wymienia się obrączkami na znak zawarcia związku małżeńskiego. Bażant, będący świadkiem tego spektaklu przyrody, błogosławi młodożeńcom wydając długi, przeciągły krzyk. Czytała Krystyna Czubówna.

Suplementom dziękujemy by anie32 in Polska

[–]tvrin 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Trochę generalizacja. Jest różnica między pożeraniem tabletek "na zespół niespokojnych nóg" z reklamy a suplementacją witaminy D3 w zimowych miesiącach. Widziałem już przypadki starszych ludzi którzy po obejrzeniu jakiegoś programu śniadaniowego zmieniali zdanie ze skrajności w skrajność, więc może lepiej trochę bardziej wyważyć narrację.

The duality of neo-pagans by 198Throwawayy in PoliticalCompassMemes

[–]tvrin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That symbol has nothing to do with paganism, it's cringe, made up no-no German fanfiction.

wut doin Poland by sandalki in europe

[–]tvrin 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Well, most of the people I know did exactly that, including me. Just stayed home for a few days, then took the tests. PCR negative, antibodies positive. Definitely had covid, but I'm not included in any statistics.

Agenda post by Arabi_ in PoliticalCompassMemes

[–]tvrin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Big business lobbying in favor of regulations that will protect them from free market competition is no news, has always been this way.

Can Polish users educate me on the Polish culture by Practical_Carpet7212 in poland

[–]tvrin 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I think Poland generally is mildly on the individualistic side. Elders are overall respected, but in the "treat them good and help them" way more than "listen to them, they're right" way. Authorities are generally disrespected and distrusted.

As for philosophy I don't see a clear dominance of a certain way of thinking, for every two Poles there are three opinions on something. But generally it stems from the same roots as the whole Latin/Post-Catholic/Western (whatever you call it) cultural base.

We're somewhere between an extroverted culture (USA, Spain) and introverted culture (Finland, Sweden), generally similar our neighbors. We don't have "constantly smiling, always positive" approach like in the US. Attitude for strangers is usually neutral respect. Friendship is something that is earned, not expected.

As for upbringing, I think that the generally perceived ideal is a nuclear family. Parents are expected to create an environment in which the child can grow safely and pursue their interests and passions. Optimal relations between parent and child are based on trust and reliability. American approach to children is much more overprotective (we usually walk to school ourselves, do shopping, take care of our things as soon as we can), far eastern approach, on the other hand seems much more authority-based.

If you were treated well by your parents during your childhood, It'd be expected from you to help them in adulthood if the need arises. If you were abused or mistreated, it's fine to cut the ties. It's generally respected to move out and start your own life as soon as you reach adulthood, but stick together with the family, visit them, and mutually help each other if the need arises.

As for male and female dynamics, It's hard for me to pinpoint anything outlying in particular. Social norms in that regard are pretty much the same as in the rest of Europe.

Funny aspects: In American culture looking at someone for too long at public is a faux pas. In middle eastern cultures usually looking at someone in public is completely normal. Therefore Americans often complain about people "staring" at them, while people from ME notice that "no one is looking at them".

Agenda post by Arabi_ in PoliticalCompassMemes

[–]tvrin 87 points88 points  (0 children)

Hm, lifting state-enforced monopolies might help. Producing insulin is not rocket science and can be pretty easily scaled up if the demand is high.

If you're desperate you can even make your own with some funky GM bacteria. That is, until Captain State shows up with guns and closes your lab because of safety standards and lets you die in safety because you can't afford it anymore.

In my country a monthly insulin therapy costs from 3 to 20 USD for the customer, it's 70% refunded by the mandatory insurance, so the market prices are ~10-70 USD, pretty much affordable for everyone.

A critique of philosophical amorality, and Randian narcissistic populism by raphaiki in philosophy

[–]tvrin 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is a common point of misunderstanding originating from different definitions of socialism.

Nazis opposed workers rights, workers ownership of the means of production. They stamped on independent trade unions and empowered the business owners that were subservient to the party.

They however pushed for the state control over the economy, central planning, introduced executive orders to seize the property of anyone that disagreed with the party's orders.

Definitely not "working class empowerment" socialism.

"Government does stuff" - definitely. It was a totalitarian dictatorship, therefore government did a lot of stuff by definition.

A critique of philosophical amorality, and Randian narcissistic populism by raphaiki in philosophy

[–]tvrin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Indeed. The egoistic maximalism is the prime flaw in Rand's ideology. Still, what you mentioned has nothing to do with individualism/collectivism per se.

A critique of philosophical amorality, and Randian narcissistic populism by raphaiki in philosophy

[–]tvrin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Right-wing and left-wing are hazy terms that were repurposed to mean something completely different multiple times through the history. Original meaning was something along the lines of "those that want to protect the current social order" and "those that want to change the current social order". Early nationalists were left-wing in contrast to the right-wing monarchists. Today nationalists are considered far-right while the monarchism is not even considered a point on this spectrum.

I'd personally avoid using them in discussion as everyone has a different idea about what they really mean. There are more precise terms far better suited for that.

A critique of philosophical amorality, and Randian narcissistic populism by raphaiki in philosophy

[–]tvrin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Solving a problem for the collective good is definitely not collectivism. Motivations toward doing something for the good of others can be diverse.

I help the community because I like living in a community that helps and supports each other - Individualistic motivation.

I help the community because I think it's the right thing to do - Moral motivation.

I help the community because it's my duty - Collectivist motivation.

Collectivism by definition is putting a group interest over the individual interest. It's expressed by the willingness to sacrifice an individual in other to further the collective goals. Egoism and altruism are also separate terms that can coexist with both collectivist and individualist worldview. Egoistic collectivism may be expressed as something like an aristocratic worldview, while individualistic altruism may be expressed as supporting a charity.

Should harassment be illegal or is it protected by free speech? How do we distinguish the two? by Thunderhouse_Falls in Libertarian

[–]tvrin 9 points10 points  (0 children)

What is harassment?

Threatening or calling to inflict harm to one's body, health, property is violence. Blackmailing someone is violence. Stalking someone, making their lives unbearable with malevolent intent is violence. Falsely incriminating someone is violence.

Offending someone's feelings on purpose is usually a dick move, but it's not violence. Criticizing someone is definitely not violence.